Hi Angel!
Thank you very much for sending these scripture passages. I, of course stand
with you and all other catholic christians on this truth.
let all be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in
spirit; not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving
a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might
inherit a blessing." (I Peter 3: 7-9)
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From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: Intercessory Prayer
: The bible does instruct us to pray to the saints as there is no difference
: between those dead and those who are alive.
: Scripture Catholic - SAINTS AND INTERCESSORY PRAYER
:
:
:
: Scripture
:
: I. We are One Family in Christ in Heaven and on Earth
: Eph. 3:14-15- we are all one family ("Catholic") in heaven and on
: earth,
: united together, as children of the Father, through Jesus Christ. Our
: brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are not a
: different
: family. We are one and the same family. This is why, in the Apostles
: Creed, we profess a belief in the "communion of saints." There cannot
: be a
: "communion" if there is no union. Loving beings, whether on earth or
: in
: heaven, are concerned for other beings, and this concern is reflected
: spiritually through prayers for one another.
: Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23-32; Col. 1:18,24 - this family is in Jesus Christ,
: the
: head of the body, which is the Church.
: 1 Cor. 12:12,27; Rom. 12:5; Col. 3:15; Eph. 4:4 - we are the members
: of
: the one body of Christ, supernaturally linked together by our
: partaking of
: the Eucharist.
: Rom. 8:35-39 - therefore, death does not separate the family of God
: and
: the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond
: death.
: Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with "deceased"
: Moses
: and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.
: Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living
not
: the
: dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.
: Luke 15:7,10 - if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over
: our
: repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our
: behavior.
: John 15:1-6 - Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. The good
: branches
: are not cut off at death. They are alive in heaven.
: 1 Cor. 4:9 - because we can become a spectacle not only to men, but
to
: angels as well, this indicates that angels are aware of our earthly
: activity. Those in heaven are connected to those on earth.
: 1 Cor. 12:26 - when one member suffers, all suffer. When one is
: honored,
: all rejoice. We are in this together as one family.
: 1 Cor 13:12; 1 John 3:2 - now we see in a mirror dimly, but in heaven
: we
: see face to face. The saints are more alive than we are!
: Heb. 12:1 - we are surrounded by a great glory cloud (shekinah) of
: witnesses, our family in heaven. We are not separated. The "cloud of
: witnesses" (nephos marturon) refers to a great amphitheatre with the
: arena
: for the runners (us on earth), and many tiers of seats occupied by
the
: saints (in heaven) rising up like a cloud. The "martures" are not
mere
: spectators ("theatai"), but testifiers (witnesses) who testify from
: their
: own experience to God's promises and cheer us on in our race to
: heaven.
: They are no less than our family in heaven.
: 1 Peter 2:9; Rev. 20:6 - we are a royal family of priests by virtue
of
: baptism. We as priests intercede on behalf of each other.
: 2 Peter 1:4 - since God is the eternal family and we are His
children,
: we
: are partakers of His divine nature as a united family.
: 1 Cor. 1:2; Rom. 1:7 - we are called to be saints. Saints refer to
: both
: those on earth and in heaven who are in Christ. Proof:
: Acts 9:13,32,41; 26:10; 1 Cor. 6:1-2; 14:33; 2 Cor. 1:1; 8:4; 9:1-2;
: 13:13; Rom. 8:27; 12:23; 15:25,26, 31; 16:2,15; Eph. 1:1,15,18; 3:8;
: 5:3;
: 6:18; Phil. 1:1; 4:22; Col 1:2,4,26; 1 Tm 5:10; Philemon 1:5,7; Heb.
: 6:10;
: 13:24; Jude 1:3; Rev. 11:18; 13:7; 14:12; 16:6; 17:6;18:20,24; Rev
: 19:8;
: 20:9 - in these verses, we see that Christians still living on earth
: are
: called "saints."
: Matt. 27:52; Eph. 2:19; 3:18; Col. 1:12; 2 Thess. 1:10; Rev. 5:8;
: 8:3-4;
: 11:18; 13:10 - in these verses, we also see that "saints" also refer
: to
: those in heaven who united with us.
: Dan. 4:13,23; 8:23 - we also see that the angels in heaven are also
: called
: "saints." The same Hebrew word "qaddiysh" (holy one) is applied to
: both
: humans and angels in heaven. Hence, there are angel saints in heaven
: and
: human saints in heaven and on earth. Loving beings (whether angels or
: saints) are concerned for other beings, and prayer is the spiritual
: way of
: expressing that love.
:
:
:
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
: To: <[log in to unmask]>
: Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:43 AM
: Subject: Re: Intercessory Prayer
:
:
: > Angel,
: > We pray for each other because the bible insttructs us to do so. It
: > builds up the body, but the bible does not instruct us to ask for
: > prayers from the saints and angels. There is a huge difference
: > between those who have died and those who are alive, here on
: > earth. As far as angels, the bible says that we will judge
: > them. They are of a different status altogether. Asking them to
: > pray for you is a distraction when you can speak directly to Jesus
: himself.
: > Kathy
: >
: >
: > At 10:51 PM 8/21/2006, you wrote:
: > >Why do we need each other here on earth to pray for us. I know I was
: surely
: > >happy to receive any prayers you all offered for me in my time of
trouble
: I
: > >will tell you. Let me take this opportunity to thank you rite now for
: them.
: > >My petitions would be much less meaningful without them. It is for
this
: > >reason I am thankful to all the angels and saints who have gone before
me
: to
: > >be with our blessed Lord, and who have offered their prayers in
: conjunction
: > >with those you offered on my behalf. I thank them as well. Do you
think
: > >our communion with the saints ends with death? I don't. Our dear
loved
: > >ones and our angels care just as much for us now they are in heaven as
: they
: > >did here on earth, and they are more than happy to assist us because
they
: > >are without bodies and can see and are able to offer us more assistance
: than
: > >they could here on earth. We are all one body in Christ, and it
matters
: not
: > >if we live here on earth or in heaven.
: > >9----- Original Message -----
: > >From: "Jenifer Gilley" <[log in to unmask]>
: > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
: > >Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:17 PM
: > >Subject: Re: Intercessory Prayer
: > >
: > >
: > > > but y? I mean... y do we need saints... or souls praying for us?
: > > > Jenifer gilley
: > > > check out my blog
: > > > http://claudastar.blogspot.com/
: > > > AIM: jenibear1998
: > > > msn
: > > > [log in to unmask]
: > > > ----- Original Message -----
: > > > From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
: > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
: > > > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:15 PM
: > > > Subject: Re: Intercessory Prayer
: > > >
: > > >
: > > > > AS I said before, we don't pray to anyone else. We ask the angels
: and
: > > > > saints
: > > > > to pray for us to the lord our god as we ask those on earth to
pray
: for
: > > > > us.
: > > > > ----- Original Message -----
: > > > > From: "Jeremy Gilley" <[log in to unmask]>
: > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
: > > > > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 5:44 PM
: > > > > Subject: Re: Intercessory Prayer
: > > > >
: > > > >
: > > > >> Amen, Amen, and Amen.
: > > > >> I would have to agree, Unless I have mist reading it growing up,
I
: just
: > > > >> in my opinion have I never heard about praying to someone else
for
: > > > >> guidance/help.
: > > > >>
: > > > >> -----Original Message-----
: > > > >> From: The Electronic Church
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
: On
: > > > >> Behalf Of Jenifer Gilley
: > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 5:33 PM
: > > > >> To: [log in to unmask]
: > > > >> Subject: Re: Intercessory Prayer
: > > > >>
: > > > >> Ok... You want my two cents?
: > > > >>
: > > > >> Phil sent an article here about a week or so ago. All we need is
: the
: > > > >> name
: > > > >> of Jesus! I pray to Him and Him only because He is the only one
: that
: > > > >> interceeds on my behalf... right now he is praying with and for
us
: at
: > > > >> the
: > > > >> right hand of His father. I do believe in Intercessory prayer...
I
: > >know
: > > > >> it
: > > > >> works first-hand. But Jesus is the Great Intercesser. I can't
: locate
: > > > >> the
: > > > >> passage right now and it's bugging me... but there is a scripture
: that
: > > > >> states **paraphrased** that He is at the right hand of His father
: > > > >> Interceeding on our behalves. If we pray in anyone's name but
: Jesus...
: > > > >> doesn't that also mean we are praying to them? There is only one
: name
: > > > >> by
: > > > >> which man can be saved... the Name of Jesus! There is only one
: > > > >> meadiator
: > > > >> between God and Man... the man Christ Jesus!
: > > > >> Jenifer gilley
: > > > >> check out my blog
: > > > >> http://claudastar.blogspot.com/
: > > > >> AIM: jenibear1998
: > > > >> msn
: > > > >> [log in to unmask]
: > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
: > > > >> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
: > > > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
: > > > >> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:23 PM
: > > > >> Subject: Re: Intercessory Prayer
: > > > >>
: > > > >>
: > > > >> > That is what the saints in heaven do for us. They pray with,
and
: for
: > > > >> us
: > > > >> > to
: > > > >> > God the father. The only difference is they are in heaven and
we
: are
: > > > >> > still
: > > > >> > here on earth. I don't understand the difference between
asking
: for
: > > > >> your
: > > > >> > prayers to God for a difficulty I might have and in asking my
own
: > >dear
: > > > >> > parents or my Jesus, who is my elder brother, to pray with and
: for
: > > > >> me.
: > > > >> > If
: > > > >> > According to your religion, I am not permitted to ask my dear
: parents
: > > > >> to
: > > > >> > pray for and with me then how can I ask you. we and those
: Christians
: > > > >> who
: > > > >> > have gone before us are neither of us divine in nature. Is
: this
: > > > >> some
: > > > >> > sort
: > > > >> > of a divine mystery like that of the holy Eucharist which
changes
: > >from
: > > > >> > merely bread and wine in to the precious body and blood of our
: > > > >> precious
: > > > >> > lord
: > > > >> > and savior. Is it meant to be something we mere mortals are
not
: > >meant
: > > > >> to
: > > > >> > understand?
: > > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
: > > > >> > From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
: > > > >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
: > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:12 PM
: > > > >> > Subject: Re: Intercessory Prayer
: > > > >> >
: > > > >> >
: > > > >> >> Angel,
: > > > >> >>
: > > > >> >> An intercessor isn't praying for you, they are praying with
you.
: We
: > > > >> >> don't
: > > > >> >> pray to intercessors because there is no need when you can
pray
: > > > >> directly
: > > > >> > to
: > > > >> >> the Father through Jesus Christ. It might sound confusing but
: > >that's
: > > > >>
: > > > >> >> only
: > > > >> >> because humans are explaining it. Jesus isn't confused about
it
: at
: > > > >> all.
: > > > >> >>
: > > > >> >> Phil.
: > > > >> >>
: > > > >> >> He's ready when you are.
: > > > >> >> www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
: > > > >> >
: > > > >> >
: > > > >
: > > > >
:
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