Brad,
AS you said, we are raising adults.  I agree.  How many of the adults
that you disagree with do you take out physically.  Chris needs to learn
that there are more ways of dealing with frustration than just the
physical one that is so easily at hand.  He needs to learn to use his
words and accept life when it doesn't go his way.  Children duke it out.
Adults need to learn to handle things differently.  How can we tell him
this with words and then deck him because he is being disrespectful?  .
Sure, we'd both like to thrash him.  When he was a child, we did use
physical discipline and I don't appologize for it, but chris is a little
old to put over our knee.  In fact, I think that the fact that Greg won't
 get physical with him, angers Chris more than anything because Chris
knows that Greg is demoninstrating self control.  When Chris was younger,
Chris could push Greg's hot button and Greg would eventually get physical
and at least wrestle him into his place, but that just  increased the
physical confrontations and words  got lost in what was accomplished by
the physical.  When I was a child I thought like a child, I reasoned like
a child, but now that I'm grown, I've laid such childish ways aside.
Chris needs to learn to lay his childish ways aside and enter into the
adult world on its terms, not his.
        Don't worry, what you say doesn't upset me.  I appreciate the
feedback.  I'm more frustrated than anybody on this list because I'm
living this hell.  I came to you guys for prayer and advice and that's
what I'm getting.  Don't stop!  If you did, I'd feel ignored!
Kathy

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