Gary:
> I had a reference once - does that mean you owe me a nickel?
> of course, you didn't like the reference for some reason or other -
> you're so picky...

You had _three_ "references" once. All cribbed from someone else that you
hadn't read, one of very questionable legitimacy (peer-reviewed?,) and none
which supported the point you were trying to make. Though I did not chase
down a third reference I was not familiar with. You were throwing  the
references up as support for a point you were trying to make, but you hadn't
even seen them yourself, nor were you willing to do so, vene with the one I
wasn't familiar with. Frustrating. I am picky because people try to claim
scientific support for positions that have no support. Copying and pasting
citations from a web site is hardly what I am after as support for raw vegan
contentions.

If I am scathing it is because it gets so tiring to hear the same crap in
barely a new suit over and over--and all the while arjen considers that he
is enlightening everyone. Blah, blah.

Of course, you are much kinder than I am, but your frustration on the
evolution thread is showing. Don't you get sick of seeing the same crap
spewed forth by folks who pretend they know what they speak of???

Cheers,
Kirt