<<Disclaimer: Verify this information before applying it to your situation.>> In response to Jeff's complaint about the Zo, I agree, it's darned inconvenient setting up the cycle. But -- whoo! -- it sure makes bread quickly once you do get it set up. Doing without the second knead and rise is a convenience, and really, you should only have to babysit it once. Linda Blanchard <--- I love my Zo Midland TX USA [log in to unmask]