ISM, Thanks for the response. When I was in Israel(toured with Secular types) I developed a great respect for the secular Israeli's. They had to serve in the military, while orthodox Israeli's could get out of service, as I understood it. They have very little land and they are surrounded by Arabs. Yet, we traded with Palestinians while touring the West Bank, because our guide was an Israeli soldier. I learned a lot about the New Testament and the geopolitics of that region. It's funny, before I went there it would have been the last place on earth I would have chosen. New Jerusalem, to me, was like San Francisco. I'd walk the streets and just marvel at the different kinds of people and sights. Old Jerusalem was spooky(no pun intended) and scary to me. You can have it. Bobby