for those wishing to grab the plug-in for Adobe acrobat for PDF 4, it can be got directly by going to: http://www.access.adobe.com which lets you at a page showing all the various ways you can convert PDF to text From there you can find the acrobat 4 plug-in for windows. Or you can use the ful URL to go directly to the plug-in download location: http://www.access.adobe.com/access_plugin.html I havn't yet tried it, but reserve the rite to declare it a bad try if it still, like all other such attempts, produces mixed up text. Tom Fowle VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. To join or leave the list, send a message to [log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type "subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations. VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html