DDeBar writes: > The means of production are owned by the military contractors. You are talking about a different system. The arms manufacturers are one system. The military is a different system. The arms manufacturers are a capitalist system. The military is a socialist system. martin Martin Smith Email: [log in to unmask] P.O. Box 1034 Bekkajordet Tel. : +47 330 35700 N-3194 HORTEN, Norway Fax. : +47 330 35701