>It would be interesting to know what the people on the Caloric >Restriction list have identified as the most nutrient-dense >foods. Since their way of eating depends upon getting maximum >nutrients out of minimum calories, I'd expect that they have some >sort of a nutrient scoring system. > >Todd Moody I guess this is a question for me :) There isn't an official "scoring" system for nutrients that I am aware of. However, using computer programs to do the sorting is fairly common. Dr. Roy L. Walford is the big promoter of calorie restriction, and it is largely his books that provide the guidance for CRers. Roy and Lisa Walford (his daughter) developed a good software package that helps do all this sorting. It is a generalized diet planning type program, not specific to calorie restriction or any other specific diet. You can input whatever your own customized needs are for each nutrient (~30 covered), then when you look at foods/menus you see how well it meets your needs. Like if I want 300 IU of vitamin E, it will tell me that today I got "X"%, etc. The general idea is to eat the most nutrient dense foods, and keep the calories low/moderate. Unfortunately, considering the diet on this list (and my own paleo attempts) much of the foods Walford recommends are off limits. But as I try to eek out my own unique diet, I look for the positive aspects of information from all sources. Walford recommends cutting out sugar, white bread, white rice, white, excess fat, etc. where you get alot of calories, and basically no micronutrients. Same with Neanderthin. In fact, I look for the areas where both philosophies overlap, which I think encompasses most of Neanderthin, some of Walford's CR. Example foods that Walford recommends (in the right amounts of course): Sardines, salmon, mackerel, other fish Lean meats, including beef, and especially pork (lower in fat usually, I think) Nutrient packed organ meats, including liver, etc. Although I don't think most CR practitioners eat these, they would follow the same guidelines, and they are given in the books as okay examples. Seaweeds, shitake mushrooms. Lots and lots of veggies, especially leafy green, cruciferous, and the lower GI foods. Walford mentions GI somewhat, but it isn't the primary area of focus in his recommendations. Also recommended would be wheat germ, brewer's yeast, whole grains, beans, soy products, etc. These foods do look great on paper for nutrients, but aren't in the main paleo diet. Sweet potatoes, and a few nuts (need to watch the calories, but they have good nutrients). Also of interest might be the specific nutrient guidelines. He is relatively conservative regarding micronutrient supplementation, and says it is okay if you want to take a multi-vitamin, but its not a big deal apparently. However, some nutrients have strong evidence of providing benefits beyond average/minimum levels. These are, on a daily basis: Vit E - ~300 IU Vit A (as beta carotene) - up to 25,000 IU, no real upper limit Vit C - ~500 mg Magnesium - keep calcium and magnesium at about a 1:1 ratio. Usually means supplementing. Bioflavanoids - 100 mg, no upper limit CoQ10 - if you want, I think he says about 30 mg Selenium - 100 ug Other nutrients he recommends at least the RDA levels. Other guidelines (maximums) are: Cholesterol - 100 mg Sodium - 500 mg Fat - 10% to 20% recommended The exact caloric level is an individual thing, the recommendation is to start at 1800/day and see what happens. Most are below this, some are above. The overall guidelines (except vit E) follow the paleo food nutrition so closely that I was amazed when I saw it. That is partly why I am persuing a paleo influcenced approach to my diet. The one or two good sources of a H/G nutrient breakdown I found followed Walfords recommendations so closely, that you couldn't match it better if you tried. >In fact, it would be even more interesting to compare nutrient >scores per 100 *calories* versus scores per 100 grams. Both comparisons are useful, and don't give the same results as you can imagine. Checking against grams seems good (and I do it sometimes) with the intention of getting the most bulk for my nutrients (hopefully giving the most food to eat, etc.). One last comment: I always thought I was getting a balanced diet, and thought you could get all your nutrients from food. Actually you can, but it is not paleo, and is exceedingly difficult. I resisted supplementation for years based on this assumption. Not until I monitored my diet for ~90 days every day did I reveal some consistent nutrient gaps. I can recommend to anyone that they take a look at this and become more educated regarding their nutrition. Taking an "I don't really care" or "I am sure I do okay" attitude is pretty risky IMO. James Crocker ================================================= "The future cannot be predicted, but futures can be invented." - Dennis Gabor =================================================