Marc, I'm not trying to be difficult here. I'm not feeling well this morning. For some reason, I simply cannot understand what you mean. But I want to. Can you please explain, or could someone who knows what he's trying to say help me out here? (Unfortunately, I had to cut out the part of the message that makes it make sense so I won't be "overquoting".) BTW, that "we" was more generic than that. I was referring to people who try to follow this diet in general, not anyone in particular. Thanks for your patience, John Pavao ---------- I am not disagreeing with you, however in your first response, quoted here at the bottom, you said "we" which I take to included me, and I was merely stating my state of mind on the subject. But I must admit your 11:28 am response otherwise confuses me in the context of the prior messages, but you need not explain. Marc