Anyone here familier with neurolinguistic programming? If so, please email me offline. While this could, and at times is, employed towards weight-loss, the State of the Union trance-inducer got me interested in broader rammifications than should be discussed on this list. Kaiden ___________________________________ 'Cave man' and 'Neanderthal' are still invoked to remind us where we would be without religion, government, and toil. ---John Zerzan.