Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from relay27.mail.aol.com (relay27.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.27]) by air08.mail.aol.com (v37.8) with SMTP; Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:05:42 1900 Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by relay27.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA16274 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.68.188.250]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA18277 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:04:22 +0000 Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> From: "Leland Torrence" <[log in to unmask]> To: "ARWNY" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Bullamanka-Pinheads - First Response Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:04:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Message-ID: <19980103160421.AAA18277@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Ken - Happy New Year again and again. I am pleased to be on your li= st=0Aof pinheads. I guess this is superior to the totally "headless hand= " so=0Apopular with the sheepskin crowd of handless heads. In Gaul of th= e Long=0AHairs in 52 BC Caesar's final act to subdue the Celtae and Belga= e peoples=0Awas to sever both hands of the most resistant foes. The "Bar= barians" of=0Acourse severed heads. Hmmm?=0A=0ABy way of introduction - = My role is as founder of THE GUILD of Fine=0ACraftsmen and Artisans based= in Connecticut USA. Our goals this year are=0Aas follows: 1) increase= membership 2) increase network 3) get=0ATraditional Building to do a= special issue on Guilds and like organizations=0A 4) Get 50 members to = agree to purchase insurance benefits as a group. 5)=0A Get architects an= d craftsman working together on a more equal basis.=0A=0AAT least four of= our members will be in Boston at the EIG show in March. =0AWe will have = info on our organization at the Resource Booth.=0AWe are all little peopl= e with little businesses. We believe in family and=0Aa career in preserv= ation as the way to support that family. We would like=0Ato see the netw= ork strive to provide work for local artisans ... why should=0Amasons fro= m New York be doing Boston work? Or vice versa? =0ACraftsman should be p= aid for their advise.=0A=0APrecept: In the world of restoration - a give= n product in a given region=0Ashould have a given cost. =0A=0AWhy do we w= aste so much time and resources to writing in a vernacular that=0Acontrac= tors and craftsmen don't understand (let alone most architects)? =0AWhy d= o we waste so much of the total construction budget on trying to=0Aproduc= e bid documents that are almost never complete? Why must three or=0Amore= contractors be educated about the same project when any one of the=0Athr= ee could do it competently? Why if the general contractor "buys" a job= =0Aafter being awarded it is he bidding against others? How does this imp= act=0Athe monetary compensation of the craftsman? =0ARestoration project= s should be built from the ground up as a team. The=0Acraftsman should n= ot be spending valuable time on working on projects he=0Awill not get. Wo= rking on "the promise" of a good days work. There is=0Aenough work for a= ll of us and we must band together to get a piece of the=0Apie commensura= te with our skills and knowledge.=0ALost are the days of the mason's name= carved in stone - we must look for a=0Abetter balance of credit. =0ALet= 's guess .... which is bigger? Which group has the biggest lobby: =0ALaw= yers, Architects, insurance or that big organized group of craftsman?=0AT= he problem has been the same since the middle ages: when the craftsman= =0Aget's big he get's greedy. He is no longer a craftsman, but a manufac= turer=0Aand entity bound by the concept of corporate responsibility - pro= fit=0Amaximization. But we are maximizing the short term at our futures = expense.=0A Even the cream of the investment world are cognizant of the s= hortcomings.=0AI quote from a powerful New York firm publication: "Many = competitors will=0Abe seduced by short-term opportunities, will cut corne= rs and will turn over=0Aemployees and customers. We will need to demonst= rate vision, perhaps=0Aclairvoyance, long term commitment and enthusiasti= c loyalty"...to those we=0Awork with.=0AWe do not need to be a large lobb= ying entity, but we can agree quietly on=0Awhat we will and will not do a= nd what efforts should be given compensation=0Abeyond verbal "compliment.= "=0A=0AWell, I'd better stop.. I'm loosing my sense of humor here and Ken= , I know=0Ayou won't put up with that.=0A=0ATell me more about your pinhe= ads and how you interact.=0A=0ABest, Leland Torrence=0A=0A----------=0A>= From: ARWNY <[log in to unmask]>=0A> To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]; Ar= [log in to unmask];[log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]; lelandrs= [log in to unmask];[log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask] m=0A> Subject: Bullamanka-Pinheads=0A> Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 1= 0:56 PM=0A> =0A> Happy New Year!=0A> =0A> I have added your name as a sub= scriber to Bullamanka-Pinheads, an e-mail=0A> listserv, of which I am the= active owner and founder. BP is hosted, free=0Aof=0A> charge, on a serve= r at St. John's University in Queens, NY. 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