>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . are more environmentally sound than the "organic" growing methods--do the organic methods yield less food? If they do, then to grow them would require more use of land and therefore more ecological devastation. The question of biosustainability is an important one, for purely rational reasons. I hope we can discuss these issues on that level without trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure of your definition of "organic," but to me it would mean planting in context with the environment -- whether it be the back lawn, a roadside, or woodland. This would mean *zero* land waste -- as opposed to the 100% ecosystem destruction of agri-business. But then, I'm not a "gardener." Don't seem to have the "green thumb." I prefer to "forage" (gather) for my *wild, natural* food. And I'll take wild meat "if, as, and when" it presents itself. I *never* go out to "hunt meat" while ignoring the wealth of wild-food at my feet and fingertips. Whichever desk-bound idiot coined the term "hunter/gatherer" was obviously neither, or he wouldn't have got it bassackwards. Face it. Our early progenitors were pragmatic opportunists, not idealistic theorists. from a front-yard dandelion snacker; Charter member of the brush-bustin' "Grab it and munch" lunch bunch Dr. Roger P. Budge -- Healer & Recovery Therapist -- Reasearch Director; Discovery Institute -- P. O. Box 197 -- Hampstead, MD 21074 -- Re-discover the ancient secret of healing: Essentail Oils -- [log in to unmask] Ask for a free copy of "Yesterday's Wisdom, Tomorrow's Destiny" by Jim Lynn --