Thank you Phil for your sharing, and for giving my greetings to Ukrainians colleagues. I’ve spent lastly many hours with Inna, the director of Kyiv gestalt university. A wonderful and courageous woman. As Peter says, Ukrainian people are able to face pain and be proud of who they are. Thank you again. Good luck while continuing your journey. Margherita Il giorno sab 23 set 2023 alle 17:29 Peter Philippson < [log in to unmask]> ha scritto: > Yes George was my regular translator in Kyiv. ALWAYS overworked! Got very > severe Covid at the start of the pandemic. Had a lovely Georgian local > restaurant near where he lived (that area I think got blown up). > > Peter > > On Sat, 23 Sept 2023, 14:55 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> Dear Peter >> I have already said hello for you. And for Gianni. I have referred to you >> as a friend with whom I differ on subjects but a friend I admire and for >> whom I have respect. I have tried to be here on my own terms, so as not to >> create an advantage simply because I know people like you, Gianni, Dan, and >> Margherita. I think I have succeeded in that. >> >> Do you know George Smolen? We are having dinner with him in about an hour >> and a half. He translated for me on the first night. He is a very busy man! >> >> We will be back in Poland on the 27th. It’s going by way too fast. I can >> do without the 18 hour train ride between here and there, but right now >> it’s all there is (I’m not trying to drive it; I’d end up in Russia). >> >> Two more lectures. The Phenomenology of Addiction and Faith During >> Psychotherapy. >> >> We get back home on October 1st, two hours after we leave Warsaw. And sad >> to leave Europe. >> >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 23, 2023, at 3:59 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> >> wrot >> >> >> That is true Phil. And more: if we collapse we can't process anything. >> The cultures that support not collapsing make therapy much easier, not just >> war. >> >> Say hi to the KGU people from me. >> >> Peter >> >> On Sat, 23 Sept 2023, 12:40 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> One gestalt trainer at KGU put it this way: now is not the time to >>> collapse and process all the crud. Now is still the crisis. Now is to >>> survive. >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Peter Philippson < >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I find it wonderful to work with people who are culturally supported not >>> to collapse into shame but to face what is painful. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On Sat, 23 Sept 2023, 07:48 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We hear about Bucha. 511 (and still counting) people murdered. Many >>>> left in the streets. Many tortured in basements for days. But we don’t hear >>>> much about Borodianka anymore. Dignitaries are not brought there. It’s a >>>> small rural town where a bomb took out the center of an apartment building, >>>> and we saw the place on the news when it happened. What we didn’t see was >>>> what happened then. The people buried the dead in a mass grave behind the >>>> ruins of the apartment building and piled debris on top of it. >>>> >>>> Had a great session night before last. Two hours on post-secularity. >>>> Today a workshop on spiritual abuse and unfinished business with God. This >>>> place (Kyiv) feels like home. I understand, Peter, why you like Ukraine so >>>> much. >>>> >>>> ______________ >>>> Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt >>>> therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be >>>> found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, >>>> and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," >>>> which is found at the archives. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> ______________ >>>> Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt >>>> therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be >>>> found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, >>>> and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," >>>> which is found at the archives. >>> >>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people >>> interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its >>> public archives can be found at >>> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >>> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >>> found at the archives. >>> >>> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people >>> interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its >>> public archives can be found at >>> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >>> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >>> found at the archives. >> >> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested >> in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives >> can be found at >> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >> found at the archives. >> >> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested >> in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives >> can be found at >> http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and >> subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is >> found at the archives. > > ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested > in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives > can be found at > http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and > subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is > found at the archives. -- Margherita Spagnuolo Lobb Istituto di Gestalt HCC Italy Siracusa, Palermo, Milano www.gestaltitaly.com www.gestalt.it ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.