Hi Ana and all, Now I don't know how to do this, but Jaws, will let you use Word using menus. I haven't tryed it, because I use the ribbons. So if someone knows how to set jaws to use the menus in word, they can let the list know. Harry On 10/2/2015 8:11 PM, Ana G wrote: > Thanks for this info. > > Jarte is a nice app in that it doesn't drag the system down like Word, > so if you need some formatting features without needing a whole lot, > it's an option. The developers seem to be aware of accessibility > because the program tells me it's in screen reader mode, so when I > have a little more time, I'll send them feedback about tables and so on. > > I use Open Office sometimes, and it works fairly well for me. > > I'll definitely try Stan's suggestion of Text Pad. > > I use Word because, as a translator, I sometimes need to deal with > advanced formatting. I don't like the ribbons. For screen reader > users, they're definitely slower as you can't easily skip past the > groups of settings you're not interested in, but I've been working > with them long enough that I'm used to them, and I've even memorized > some of the long and mostly random sequences of keys needed for > features I use frequently. > > On 10/2/2015 6:11 AM, Stan Berman wrote: >> Thanks. >> >> Iunderstand your comments re copying content and the formatting >> issues. I >> do not like Office 2007 and later ribbon menus and consequently have >> avoided upgrading to 2010 which I own -- I think the format features you >> mention do not apply to Office versions before 2007, although I don't >> remember whether it was there in 2007 and began in 2010. I've been >> considering installing WindowEyes to see how well I like its handling >> of the >> ribbon menus. >> >> My bottom line is that I would gladly trade off features that are >> nice but >> never or rarely used for improved usability/accessibility of those >> features >> that are central to the purposes for which products are used. >> >> Stan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain >> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 8:11 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: [VICUG-L] Word processing and text editing [was "Re: [VICUG-L] >> Jarte [was] Finding Docs Created in Word with Jarte"] >> >> I'm just responding to one small piece of your message. When pasting >> content >> into a MS Word document, you can use the special paste dialog to >> determine >> if you copy it in as plain text or preserve the formatting from the >> original >> source. You can also change the default behavior. I have it set to >> copy text >> without formatting as the default to avoid the problems you're >> talking about >> below, namely getting mixed formatting in a document that is hard to >> sort >> out for a blind user. >> >> I did consider TextPad, but I chose to go with NoteTab Pro myself. It >> has >> some of the same features that you like about TextPad. >> >> BTW, it looks like you meant to send your reply to the list and not >> just to >> me, so I'm putting this on the list myself. >> >> On 10/02/2015 06:43 AM, Stan Berman wrote: >>> Sorry, but I am just reading this posting as the first in the thread. >>> However, I just want to point you to a text editor that is quite >>> robust and you might try it for free and then if it does what you >>> want, you can purchase it to get the tech support or you can >>> continue to >> use it for free. >>> The program is TextPad which is a text editor that has lots of >>> features. >>> >>> You can create documents in a variety of formats from plain text to >> HTML. >>> Although I haven't been using it much for a few years because of the >>> character of my needs and I couldn't get it to install on my Windows 7 >>> machine but recently solved that problem, and will resume using it >>> more. >>> >>> >>> I haven't tried creating accessible tables in TextPad, but I would >>> guess that one could easily do it in HTML, just as one could create >>> lists and headings (H1-H6) and bulleted lists. You can create macros >>> within the program and search, find and replace for character strings >>> concurrently in multiple files (I have done this in several hundred >>> files at one time and it's quick and easy. >>> >>> TextPad, unlike notepad , provides a list of recently used files >>> making it much more usable than Microsoft's NotePad. >>> >>> TextPad can be found at http://www.textpad.com/ -- it is a UK company >>> and if you don't pay the approximately $30-35 fee, you will get some >>> periodic requests to purchase a license which is worth it. >>> >>> I like it a lot as it doesn't have all those MS Word features that >>> automatically do things that create problems for a blind user, e.g. >>> automatically carrying unidentified formatting code with copied >>> content to a new file and then messing up the new document's >>> formatting because you get both format coding together -- so you get >>> double indents and bullets within indents, or mixed fonts in the >>> document, and so on, all difficult to discern if you are blind. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are a couple MS Office-like products that might be worth a >>> look-see, like Open Office and both are supposed to be pretty >>> accessible. >>> >>> I would also look at WordPerfect -- I had it and preferred it over MS >>> Office products but couldn't use it with my computer at one point, but >>> I believe that it may be workable now and the last version I have and >>> used had some nice features, like the ability to switch back and forth >>> between MS Word and WordPerfect modes. I haven't gotten around to >>> checking on WordPerfect yet but will do so in the next week or so. >>> The last time I bought it the cost was just $100 which could be that >>> low >> because I already own a license. >>> I find MS Outlook to be a royal pain in the neck -- it is creating all >>> sorts of problems and the ribbon menus are terrible in my opinion. >>> Good luck >>> >>> Stan >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Visually Impaired Computer Users' Group List >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 11:48 PM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: [VICUG-L] Jarte [was] Finding Docs Created in Word with >>> Jarte >>> >>> So I don't disagree that Jarte isn't a nice program, but if I can't >>> use it with my screen reader to work with lists, tables, headings and >>> the like then what's the advantage of using Jarte over something like a >> text editor? >>> On 10/01/2015 09:39 PM, Ana G wrote: >>>> Jarte is hit and miss with formatting. >>>> >>>> Both Jaws and NVDA announce bullet and numbers correctly. >>>> >>>> In both, you can use the screen reader key and the letter F to hear >>>> that characters are bolded or italicized. >>>> >>>> Neither screen reader seems to detect tables or the rows or columns >>>> in a table. >>>> >>>> when I used the paragraph formatting submenu to automatically indent >>>> the first line of every paragraph, I couldn't tell the that this was >>>> working by using the screen reader. >>>> >>>> I haven't figured out how to create headings. This may be one of the >>>> features that comes with the paid version, or it may be buried >>>> somewhere. >>>> >>>> It's actually a nice little word processor. I hope the accessibility >>>> kinks can be worked out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/27/2015 7:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>>> How does Jarte and a screen reader do with announcing advanced >>>>> formatting attributes like headings, lists and tables? >>>> >>>> VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. >>>> Archived on the World Wide Web at >>>> http://listserv.icors.org/archives/vicug-l.html >>>> Signoff: [log in to unmask] >>>> Subscribe: [log in to unmask] >>> -- >>> Christopher (CJ) >>> chaltain at Gmail >>> >>> >>> VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. >>> Archived on the World Wide Web at >>> http://listserv.icors.org/archives/vicug-l.html >>> Signoff: [log in to unmask] >>> Subscribe: [log in to unmask] >>> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain at Gmail >> >> >> VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. >> Archived on the World Wide Web at >> http://listserv.icors.org/archives/vicug-l.html >> Signoff: [log in to unmask] >> Subscribe: [log in to unmask] >> >> >> VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. >> Archived on the World Wide Web at >> http://listserv.icors.org/archives/vicug-l.html >> Signoff: [log in to unmask] >> Subscribe: [log in to unmask] >> > > > VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. > Archived on the World Wide Web at > http://listserv.icors.org/archives/vicug-l.html > Signoff: [log in to unmask] > Subscribe: [log in to unmask] > VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. 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