Burama, what is your take on Jammeh's failed ECOWAS Chairmanship bit?... And did you have a chance to listen to his opening of Parliament and address? Well, when I said Jammeh is internationally isolated I wasn't speculating... The evidence are there for all to see... From the EU to the Commonwealth and now the ECOWAS is crystal clear that Jammeh is not trusted among his peers.. In his opening of the parliament address he stated that "Gambia will no longer be a party to any regional and or international body" - leaving speculation on whether ECOWAS is included in that... Here is a link to his own mouthpiece the Daily Observer who regurgitates and celebrate everything that comes out of Jammeh's mouth.... http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/gambia-to-witness-greater-economic-progress-by-2020-jammeh-tells-assembly Am still looking for the full speech/text to publish so if anyone has it please forward. Thanks Demba On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Demba > > Surely I feel right with my proposal - never doubt so. > > On the other hand I haven't seen a coherent practical proposal to change > my position. I hope it come along. > > (i) Elections - me and you are neither voting nor campaigning > > (ii) Hoping some alien Gambian will take to the streets - my farming > unless and aunties. Is not even serious. They may not be opportune with > certain level of education or life in the West but they do know what life > worth to them. > > (iii) Yahya die soon. Sure it could happen anytime as me and you could > equally die anytime. The aftermath is likely to be another military > dictatorship. What is certain in that eventuality not me and you will be at > the table to shape the future. > > (iv) Military Intervention - may God forbid! Let me deal with Yahya than > another criminal. Sadly those hoping this approach are all hiding in > America/Europe including the so-call military wing. Are we serious? > > These I know are floated around. I bought none and will not. Maybe I can > be help with other options > > Every question you asked is answered in my 10-phased proposed plan - from > conceptualization to organization to harnessing global political leverage > to going to Banjul to winning heats and minds of citizens to sustaining our > gains. Please re-read that proposal. If you need a copy I can send you one. > > I'm moving slow but I have certainly moved. This is a personal passion for > me as a citizen and doing most at my own availability but surely coming > along. My goal is to convince citizens on viable alternatives and not > necessary a Burama show. Social engineering takes time and thats what i > assigned myself. I have no power doing the things I proposed all by myself > but with citizens. Yet I recognized it will take concerted effort to bring > that message home. > > Either way is comforting to tell Burama you haven't moved an inch while > the same old approach/strategy is still branded (20 years later) around > without asking them how much they(you) have moved from point A. After 20 > years you are still searching for solutions? Seriously! You still don't > know what will get the job done? If that many people spent that much time > on what I proposed for that much time - Yahya would by now be in Mile 2 > Central Prisons. > > I didn't err your work.......but market a product (a good product - real, > practical, viable, doable, etc). Again who're the consumers of our > efforts? Do the Gambians in towns and villages really know what we're > trying out here? Are we engage in a show that attracts few 100s and/or > 1000s around here? Certainly few passionate are blowing all the trumpets > and I am not sure how these permeate the Gambian society where it really > matters. > > That we should be concern and address. > > Burama > > On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:42 AM, dbaldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > This is the 21 century Burama....political fights are done in all shape > and form. Am talking, engaging citizens, monitoring and exposing Jammeh's > every illegal move.. > > The problem Burama is that you convinced yourself that you have not only a > plan, but a better one than anybody... you are asking questions but have > not moved an inch since you unveiled your bullet points. Despiye all the > feedback you not modifying your plan or whay you believe. Talking about > leverage does not you give you one..so let's ask you the questions.. > > How do you change the status quo in Banjul? > How do you plan to engage yahya who will neither respect no listen to you? > > Where and how would you get your leverage after dismissing everything > everybody has? Pls don't refer me to the bullet point. Seen them but see no > better alternative? > > So burama are you then saying since we don't have a plan to remove Yahya > tomorrow, let's stop talking, stop searching for answers, forming org. And > follow a leverage plan? > > Pls answer the questions.. > > Thanks > Demba > > > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Burama Jammeh > Date:03/28/2014 7:56 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] Jammeh as next ECOWAS Chair??? Are we in for the Shock > of our lives????? > > Demba > > I got you! > > The problem - you are not fighting. You are talking in America. > > You fault that Yahya would not listen but you convince yourself he will > let someone win an election against him. > > You're hoping some Gambians erupt into violence against him > > You're hoping he die soon > > In all these 3 only 1 is a plan and more important the advocates are > mainly millions of miles away. Certainly Yahya will not listen to us now > because there is no consequences for not doing so. We're too weak and not > even working on right strategies. Yet you are convince he will let you win > elections - good luck. And I seriously mean that. > > So much gap exist where we are and where Yahya is........unfortunately no > realistic practical plan to bridge that gap. Your conviction is not in > doubt/question, what is troubling is what do we do with those convictions. > Is not enough to fume in America and Europe. We have to have a deliberate > action plan that takes us from point A to Z. Also remember that there are > many citizens with an opposing conviction - Yahya is the best for our > nation. > > If you think amassing a political leverage to deal with year is rhetoric > or Marshal Plan (which by the way worked) is wrong for Yahya...... Good > luck with an agenda one side think they can do all the logistics while > dictating what the other side should do at any next election. > > I hope to live to next election to see how much opposition are reorganize, > how much money they receive, how much will be dictated to them and what > will be their margin of victory. > > Burama > > On Friday, March 28, 2014, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Burama, you misread me... I'm not conceding anything and will never to >> Yahya Jammeh. I am set on my believes no matter what Jammeh does I am going >> to continue to be in opposition to his mentality, style of governance and >> or policies. I think he is dishonest, power hungry and he cannot compete on >> a level playing field. Whether he becomes ECOWAS Chair or what have you my >> stance and my convictions against him are a set stone... >> >> I will also endeavor to join any fight with you in fighting for injustice >> but I yet to buy into the idea of having a Marshall plan or negotiating >> with someone who neither respects us or have any interest in listening to >> us... I don't know how long this fight is going to be but am more >> optimistic than you in winning this fight against tyranny... >> >> Have a great weekend.. >> >> Demba >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >> Demba >> >> You sound conceding ground to Yahya. >> >> Oppressing the govern give dictators all the illegally amassed power - >> Hitler, Yahya, Assad, Saddam, etc. Will it last and how long? I don't know >> - but thats exactly their source of power. >> >> Under whose RADAR - certainly not ECOWAS who are considering him Chair. >> Ours doesn't bother him much at this point because we failed to garner the >> necessary political leverage to make it consequential to him. Lets work on >> achieving that.........It wouldn't serve our interest him becoming Head of UN >> Security Council. But that's not outside of possibilities unless we present >> a credible alternative to our people and world at large. >> >> Whatever we consider ECOWAS - our goal should be to get them on our side. >> Based on its members and how they came to power am not sure if they will >> entertain ideas of opposition of a member state but we can re-route through >> bigger organizations for political arm twisting. >> >> This job will be done by our deliberate actions and not by someone else. >> This bigger task is what we are yet to be ready for. Partly why we are >> scrambling over soft agendas. >> >> I don't encourage the tone of your position in that post. We should be up >> to anything Yahya and in fact a step or 2 ahead if we are to win. >> >> Burama >> >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Burama, >> >> Nothing surprises me about Jammeh... But I will assure you oppressing >> your people will never make him more powerful. He can amass all the >> accolades but I guarantee you he is under the radar and is getting more and >> more insecure... He can be the secretary General of UN for all I care, we >> will continue to go after him... After all ECOWAS is a toothless bulldog... >> It consist of failed African leaders... >> >> The fight continuous whether he becomes ECOWAS chair or Banjul major... >> >> Demba >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>wrote: >> >> Demba >> >> I told you so! >> >> You were with the view he's under some international pressure including >> ECOWAS. Birds of the same feather. >> >> He organized a successful summit of African leaders years ago and now >> poise for another accolade amongst that largely criminal bunch. >> >> Is he getting more powerful/influential and/or getting weaker? >> >> Burama >> >> >> On Mar 28, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> A new ECOWAS Chair to be elected this Saturday. Sound bites coming from >> the ECOWAS Parliamentary Speaker visiting Banjul indicates that we may be >> in for the shock of our lives - Jammeh being elected as the next toothless >> ECOWAS Chair? >> >> These dumb African leaders are capable of doing anything... See this >> article claiming that "Jammeh always acts within the boundaries of the >> Gambian Constitution" Am so sick to my stomach!!!! >> >> >> http://wacradio.homestead.com/President-Jammeh-Always-Act-Within-The-Law-Of-Ecowas.html >> >> This would be the last blow... >> >> Juma mubarak >> >> Demba >> >> -- >> *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* >> いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To >> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >> >> To Searc >> >> いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > > > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > -- *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい