Kejau, Call me Chris please. I really don't have much to add to what you said but, to correct your thought that I hold some disdain towards you based on previous exchanges. Please allow me to firmly state that for starters, you have never done anything to me that warrants an apology therefore, I do not even have any ill will towards you. Not even a spec of it. What you also decide to do regarding avoiding me or not is also not within my control so I am not going to even remember what you wrote in 5...4...3...2...1 Best to you Kejau. Chris . ________________________________ From: kejau <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [G_L] The Lt Kejau, the Col Chonghan, the Lt Binneh, Lt Col Sarr, Major Ann, etc missing in action Halima, There is no need to 'garuwalleh' us as I noticed your disdain since my writings about Jammeh's arranged foreign marriage about a decade ago. You still cannot forgive me even though I did not meant it the way you understood it. We all know what you mentioned as distasteful is different from what you subtly bringing up now. Please do let sleeping dog lie as the whole forum has moved on from this slander yet you labour so hard to remind us. Do we live a good life or not should not be your concern and it seems Suntou's mention of that really bothered you instead of the morality of his stance against former servicemen. I remembered you took the same stance when I had the spat with Yorro. I have tried to avoid you like a plague yet your raison d'etre seem to be hell bent on being nasty at every opportunity. Please leave me alone as enough is enough. I beg! Kejau. Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Halima Sukuna <[log in to unmask]> Date: To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [G_L] The Lt Kejau, the Col Chonghan, the Lt Binneh, Lt Col Sarr, Major Ann, etc missing in action Hi Suntou, My apologies for a long delay in a response since I am the one that initiated this whole thing. I have been on a stretch of trying to primarily focus on my family and fix some things that I have put off for far too long so I would appreciate your forgiveness in my lack of a timely response. I also have to apologize for my initial reactionary statements. Boy oh boy I can be forcefully blunt and that is something I am trying to soften so you are going to have to trust me in that I did not mean what I said to come out so coarse and rough sounding. I think the word "smut" was a bit overdramtic. My whole point of even typing something to you was not to say something about the idea of what you wanted to bring attention to, it was how you did it, in a short blurb, that was lacking for me and primarily it was this sentence...."But evidently, it seems the good life have thrust our former service men deep in the bossom of beautiful women, pursuit of better way of living and weigh gains in the detached and secluded west." You actually proved my point below in that you don't have to resort to painting people in a light, that may be far from how they are actually and still get your ideas across. Depending on the individuals you named, it also could potentially set up obstacles of engagement and progress if you want to encourage a movement in this area. I know you already know all of this but, I thought I would raise the point to you because I think you have alot to offer. One area I wish you would write about is Islamic banking/finances perhaps it's purpose and differences from traditional banking. I am clueless in this area and it would be nice to learn more about it. Well Suntou Touray, I hope all is well and keep the information flowing..... Chris P.S. I know the GL doesn't accept attachments but maybe one of the adminstrators can throw me a bone and post it because, I had a funny experience with taking my sister's pooch to have it's faced shaved at a local groomers. Lenny, (the dog) is a Monkey-faced Affenpinscher and he had developed several dreads and due to time, the lady at the groomers could only shave his face and my sister intended to shave the rest of his body. Although the picture does not do justice to display how bad this boy looked after the event, the pooches head looked so heavily disportionate to the rest of his body, I had a woman ask me as she was laughing in disbelief, "Why is your dog's head so small?" What happened to his head?! He looks like an ant eater in a profile view and I would not blame the dog if I got the cold shoulder the next time I come to visit. ________________________________ From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [G_L] The Lt Kejau, the Col Chonghan, the Lt Binneh, Lt Col Sarr, Major Ann, etc missing in action Chris Good afternoon. The fear against the barrel of the gun is the biggest enabler of dictatorships and tyranny in Africa. And who are the elements within our country that are professionally train to lawfully take life, to kill and attend to normal business? The military, hence the British mirror columnist referred to them as “professional killers” Brain Reade. The threat of the use force, the use of arms against civilians is what has kept Yahya Jammeh and those like him in power. Henceforth, the need to have a security team within our movements and organisations cannot be sidestep or underestimated. God is my witness, ‘A Gambian soldier pointed an AK47 assault rifle at my face threating and throwing insult. And I was also detained at the Gambia Navy headquarters for close to 1 hour for no reason.’ So The military have a lot to answer for. People don’t fear Jammeh, they fear the men with guns around him. If highlighting that fact turns you off on my analysis Chris, I will go to bed quiet content actually. At every given elections in the Gambia, the military is mobilise to scare the civilian population. Which ex-Army officer put himself forward to provide succinct backdrop to this behaviour? Now coming to the issue at hand, the abductions and executions of army officers themselves, what credible inside and outside source connections do we have? Mostly, when the boys left the force, they cut off all connections, if not, what is stopping them providing key intelligence as to the madness Gambians are struggling against? I am even advocating a 'free Gambian army', it will not happen. Kejau if I am correct attempted a while ago to create a network on ex-service men. Unless I get the Senegambia news material wrong of the time. We never heard anything of such overtures since. I am aware that we have opinions and views of one another, we came from different experiences and we take stock of one another through varied lenses, some quiet tinted, but such is human nature… It is not bad to be cynical sometimes, however, on this occasion, far from it. Some of the things I write or comment on are either deep felt or an attempt to create a discussion. Lucky for you, you have never felt the boots of a Gambian Army personnel. The GNA officers, some of them have stinking reputation of seeing the civilians as their enemies. If truth be told, Din Din Mansa (The young Mansa) can attest to the excessive power and aggro against civilians by Gambian security forces. It is the Gambian militia (para military and army) who brought the mentality of intimidating the civilian populace. One would hope, upon leaving the environment which ferments such brutalities against ordinary citizens of the Gambia, the ex-GNA boys will play their part in exposing and ending the state of affairs in the Gambia. Is this the case Chris? Readership generating has nothing to do with it, if it does, I would have stated “This is the soldier, permission to speak Sir”. The ex-Gambian army men are largely invisible in all this commotion taking place. Now, we don’t expect them to use arms because, it require a harder efforts. If they can’t stand up and be counted in routine political discourse, what about the arm part of things. The reason I state categorically that, they are missing in action is thus: ‘one expect the military in Africa as amongst the most organised institution that follows strict codes of conducts and routines’. The military are bind by common brotherhood, and the claim that, they are the defenders of our rights and lives. The time they spend together, is supposed to create a network, where they can be in contact even after retirement. In scenarios as ours, wouldn’t that be helpful and eventually a way to save lives if the ex-military officers keep in contacts with serving officers, helping exposing imminent threats to the life of serving or ex-army officers’. I can be controversial, however, in this case, and many others, I felt that, the ex-Gambia military officers did not and are not making any attempt to fill in the vacuum in helping the civilian politicians and activist end the dictatorship. I will indulge in responding to the boys in Green/ or grey. Thanks Suntou On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Halima Sukuna <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Suntou, > >Are you trying to get folks to deeply consider reading what has the potential to be a great news source or is this just advertising for smut? > >Please rethink what type of Kibaaro news you are trying to create amd provide to your public because even with the below small write-up, I am completely turned off. I think you are smarter than this and can offer better. > >Chris > > >From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 5:03 AM > >Subject: [G_L] The Lt Kejau, the Col Chonghan, the Lt Binneh, Lt Col Sarr, Major Ann, etc missing in action > > > >http://kibaaro.com/gambias-former-military-officers-missing-in-action/ . The military training and tactical know how Ex-military officers possess is suppose give them an extra dimension in providing sensible and factual methodologies in guiding the civilian population to deal with the dictatorship in the Gambia. But evidently, it seems the good life have thrust our former service men deep in the bossom of beautiful women, pursuit of better way of living and weigh gains in the detached and secluded west. The titles and ranks seems to be questionable considering their lack of leadership in a security led dictatorship in our belove Gambia. Where are they? 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