Suntou and Daffeh, I travel with PDOIS diplomatic passport. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Apology for the typos.... > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Suntou, >> >> Thank you for the sharing this piece. This article precises explain more >> than anything what I have been saying all along on this forum. From the get >> go, I stated that we cannot discard all the people who serve in the Jammeh >> regime; that we were being selective in our level of criticism largely >> depending on our association and or relationship with the individual. That >> the issue needed to be given a "broader perspective". Both Dr. Saine, Foday >> Samateh and the author of this article did exactly that. They looked at the >> issue of Dr. Janneh from different angles and candidly opine on it with >> facts from various angles. >> >> We are engaged in a dangerous struggle that will either make us as a >> society and or break us. It is always dangerous and stereotypical to >> generalized. Our situation in Gambia is not unique. Nations and societies >> have gone through this kind of struggle before and we need to learn from >> those lessons, improve our game and shape a better future for our country >> and people. >> >> The dictator's goal is to break us, by scaring us, dividing us and making >> the best use of anything he can get from us in whatever form or shape. He >> will challenge and provoke our conscience, exploit our human weaknesses >> just so he gets his way. Many of our country men and women will fall victim >> to this and by the time we rally around to get rid of him, he would have >> shocked the best out of us. >> >> In summary, we have a problem in Gambia and it needs to be confronted >> with caution in every step of the way. I am reluctant to completely discard >> any group of people in our society, certainly attaining a PhD level >> education is not a small achievement. To call prostitute many of our >> highest level of educated elites for making one decision or another aka >> intellectuals is unjust. Everyone of us here would go for a PhD degree if >> we have the opportunity. Some of us are already working on it, some have >> brothers and sisters who either have it, working on it or aspire to get it. >> To single out one person or group of people and discard them is detrimental >> to our struggle. So I think we can be critical of our fellow citizens, but >> we also must be willing to forgive or give the benefit of the doubt and be >> willing to work across the isle regardless of our moral judgement of >> others. >> >> Am extremely glad our discussion is taking a much mature phase beyond the >> simplistic political correctness and name calling. I hope and pray that we >> will approach every issue with this level of discussion and open mindedness. >> >> Thanks for sharing... >> >> Demba >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:11 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Daffeh. >>> You are still living in the past. The Gambian political >>> reality of yesterday and the Gambian political reality of today is >>> completely different. This is why I said you are still in the propaganda >>> stage of the Gambian struggle. You do not see anything in this struggle >>> other than what fits your partisan leanings to have the party that you >>> support come to power. That is all you think about. That is all you talk >>> about. Anything that seems to threaten this expectation arouses your >>> hostility and subjective inclinations. >>> >>> Halifa has gone beyond the propaganda stage where you are >>> sill languishing in. He is reading the Gambian political atmosphere and >>> reality with keen observation and an objective analysis, which is critical >>> in shaping and guiding the next stage of this political struggle. When the >>> time comes to respond to this evolving political realty he will not be the >>> one found to be wanting. >>> >>> Rene >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:47 am >>> Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: Gambian >>> Dr Under attack >>> >>> >>> Joe, how can you talk about the masses and yet give importance to >>> Halifa over Hamat?? I think if you look at the electoral statistics, you >>> will find that Hamat and the NRP have proven to be a bigger political force >>> with a bigger support base than Halifa and PDOIS. >>> >>> You always like to be seen talking straight but unfortunately, your >>> grasps of the facts on the ground is dismal. The NRP of Hamat Bah is the >>> second largest opposition party in The Gambia after UDP. This is an >>> incontrovertible fact. >>> >>> Now, I will not lead the charge for you to go back home and lead the >>> people because you will be utterly useless as already, you have proven >>> yourself not to be fit for purpose; a bit like a damp squid. >>> >>> Know your facts and learn to accept them. This nonsense about giving >>> Halifa what he never earned at the polls needs to stop so that people can >>> concentrate on facts rather than fiction, hyperboles or pernicious glib or >>> groundless political commentary. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Daffeh >>> >>> On Thursday, 1 Aug fitust 2013, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> > Suntou, I agree with the author. We cannot cherry pick those we >>> castigate and those we cuddle for similar behavior. I'm glad there are >>> those that saw the need for equity in our affairs. There has been well >>> meaning folk who for some reason cannot or refuse to connect the dots when >>> it is very very obvious. It is not rocket science to see that all these >>> folks listed are on the same boat and we talk about one, we must talk about >>> all. Now, there are folks here who have dealt with all these >>> prostitutes, past and current and their opinions litter this landscape and >>> am sure the author knows that. The majority of us must be seen to do just >>> that if we are to shape the Gambia of tomorrow. After hundreds of murders >>> and disappearances and all sorts of criminal activity, we need to stop >>> saying what these folks engaged in were/are a mistake. One runs the risk >>> of their integrity being questioned when they full well know what is going >>> on is pure greed and nothing else, yet, they for reasons best known to them >>> continue to peddle lies. The author talked about hypocrisy/Maslahaa and he >>> cannot be more correct. The level of hypocrisy is sickening. I also agree >>> with the author that we will wait a long time time for Yaya to be gotten >>> rid off by Gambians in the inside. That can only change base on what the >>> opposition leaders do. I am not talking about the opportunists among the >>> leaders, but those with integrity. Their attitude to change must change if >>> we are to get rid of Yaya now, as oppose to his natural death. >>> > >>> > Those leaders need to stop believing they can rehabilitate, reason, >>> joke, or teach a dictator worthy of his salt. Love, education, democracy, >>> and laughter has never gotten rid of a dictator and they will not be the >>> first to achieve that in the history of humanity. The army should have been >>> the place to get rid of him, but currently Yaya is one and the same with >>> the army. A minute on the Army. We say that Yaya is putting Jolas as the >>> higher ups in the army, but the majority in the army are not Jolas? That >>> majority can do something about Yaya, but for the greed the author talked >>> about. They are all looking for crumbs and titles and have no time to think >>> about getting rid of Yaya, just like the Jolas surrounding him. >>> > >>> > Going back to the opposition leaders, they may mean well, but they >>> help Yaya by default through their actions. Let's take Ousainou, Halifa, >>> and Sidia (I did not include Hamat for obvious reasons and OJ's PPP is >>> non-existent). Now, why do these guys think that obeying the law/Yaya, or >>> educating Yaya will see Yaya out? It will never happen. After 19 years they >>> know exactly what they need to do - be seen to lead the people to take back >>> their country. They need to bring the masses who support them to the >>> streets. But we all know they are not ready or willing to do that. I know >>> their supporters are by now up in arms to lodge a charge for Joe to go to >>> Gambia and lead the people to the streets. Lord knows if I were in their >>> position I will do just that. Let's say I land in Gambia today, I will be >>> picked up at the airport while these guys preach calm and engage in >>> reasoning to eternity. That is what will happen to any vocal diasporan that >>> has been a thorn in the flesh. If these party leaders will let their own >>> officers rot in jail, you think they will skip lunch to rescue Joe to >>> continue to fight with them? No, they will not. If you replace Joe with >>> Suntou, Nyang, or any other partisan who is vocal you will get the same >>> result. Since these guys are going to continue to educate Yaya, it is high >>> time those of us on the outside to form a group that will force the issue >>> in the streets. We will find out that we should have done this a long time >>> ago, for when the heat is on the Yayas are cowards. At this stage of the >>> game confrontation by any means is very very necessary. What is needed is >>> dedicated Gambians to start, that's all. >>> > >>> > A while back we saw the Bayo Group to appear. Some of us were open to >>> their direction, however, to be blunt, the group was too homogeneous and >>> that was not by accident. That sort of mindset is what has kept Yaya in >>> power and we need to have the proper representation to be taken seriously. >>> Another group was compiled but they lacked commitment and confidentiality. >>> We are at crossroads, we either resolve to start to stop this beast now, or >>> we will see another 19 years go and counting. >>> > >>> > Now, I know some quarters are already tense and all they will hear is >>> another Jola trying to lead Gambia/Gambians. No, not this Jola. I have been >>> around all this while and participated in almost everything here, yet, you >>> never saw me lead. Precisely because I know our people are sensitive to >>> that. Don't trust me, just follow my steps and do not just start from the >>> US, you can go as far back as Gambia. We just need a few good men and women >>> to start a little something. Alternatively, if there is any such serious >>> group in existence, please contact me and we can take it from there. No >>> folks, this is not in competition with the democracy forces or directions >>> out there. One can get to Gambia using various means. I am not televising >>> either. It is called starting some where, just like one starts a political >>> party, a pressure group, or an Umbrella group. The only difference is the >>> stakes are higher in what I am soliciting for. Folks know my email. >>> > >>> > Joe >>> > ________________________________ >>> > Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:25:36 +0100 >>> > From: [log in to unmask] >>> > Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: Gambian >>> Dr Under attack >>> > To: [log in to unmask] >>> > >>> > >>> > The Gambia has it fair share of academics at present and the number is >>> growing. Although the bulk of our intellectuals, or should we say, those >>> with Doctorate titles are hardly heard in conversations, even in their >>> field of expertise. What is puzzling is that, a number has succumbed to the >>> trappings of the Jammeh dictatorship, as opined by the writer of the >>> article below. >>> > A source in the Gambia immigration services indicate that, quiet a >>> number of Dr titile holders actually travel with President Jammeh's >>> approved diplomatic passports, advising him and sometimes running secret >>> errands for him. One may see attaining a PhD as something monumental, but >>> actually, does it just mean a licence to fall into the petty trapping >>> within the elite of the third world. A vehicle to get some hearing, but not >>> a tool to change society for the better. >>> > The Dr (PhD) Gambians haven't put anything tangible on the plate yet, >>> or do some expect too much from ordinary men/women who just want to be left >>> alone to do what they want, rather than shouldering the burden of our >>> social ills. A recent article in Aljazeera by Mamdani explain the faults of >>> the secular liberals in Africa...a case study of this group may help us >>> help them... >>> > Suntou >>> > >>> > http://kibaaro.com/why-do-you-single-out-dr-amadou-janneh/ >>> > >>> > Why Do You Single Out Dr. Amadou Janneh >>> > >>> > Reads :567 >>> > >>> > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To >>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>> > >>> > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>> http://listserv.icors.org/scriptS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>> [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい >>> いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To >>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>> http://listserv.icors.org/scriptS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>> [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい >>> いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To >>> unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web >>> interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html >>> >>> To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >>> http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact >>> the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >>> [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* >> > > > > -- > *"Be the change you want to see in the World"* > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask]いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい > いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい