Daffeh.

           You are still living in the past. The Gambian political reality of yesterday and the Gambian political reality of today is completely different. This is why I said you are still in the propaganda stage of the Gambian struggle. You do not see anything in this struggle other than what fits your partisan leanings to have the party that you support come to power. That is all you think about. That is all you talk about. Anything that seems to threaten this expectation arouses your hostility and subjective inclinations.

 

           Halifa has gone beyond the propaganda stage where you are sill languishing in. He is reading the Gambian political atmosphere and reality with keen observation and an objective analysis, which is critical in shaping and guiding the next stage of this political struggle. When the time comes to respond to this evolving political realty he will not be the one found to be wanting.    

 

 Rene

 

 

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Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: Gambian Dr Under attack

 

Joe, how can you talk about the masses and yet give importance to Halifa over Hamat?? I think if you look at the electoral statistics, you will find that Hamat and the NRP have proven to be a bigger political force with a  bigger support base than Halifa and PDOIS.

You always like to be seen talking straight but unfortunately, your grasps of the facts on the ground is dismal. The NRP of Hamat Bah is the second largest opposition party in The Gambia after UDP. This is an incontrovertible fact.

Now, I will not lead the charge for you to go back home and lead the people because you will be utterly useless as already, you have proven yourself not to be fit for purpose; a bit like a damp squid.

Know your facts and learn to accept them. This nonsense about giving Halifa what  he never earned at the polls needs to stop so that people can concentrate on facts rather than fiction, hyperboles or pernicious glib or groundless political commentary.

Thanks
Daffeh

On Thursday, 1 Aug fitust 2013, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Suntou, I agree with the author. We cannot cherry pick those we castigate and those we cuddle for similar behavior. I'm glad there are those that saw the need for equity in our affairs. There has been well meaning folk who for some reason cannot or refuse to connect the dots when it is very very obvious. It is not rocket science to see that all these folks listed are on the same boat and we talk about one, we must talk about all. Now, there are folks here who have dealt with all these prostitutes, past and current and their opinions litter this landscape and am sure the author knows that. The majority of us must be seen to do just that if we are to shape the Gambia of tomorrow. After hundreds of murders and disappearances and all sorts of criminal activity, we need to stop saying what these folks engaged in were/are a mistake. One runs the risk of their integrity being questioned when they full well know what is going on is pure greed and nothing else, yet, they for reasons best known to them continue to peddle lies. The author talked about hypocrisy/Maslahaa and he cannot be more correct. The level of hypocrisy is sickening. I also agree with the author that we will wait a long time time for Yaya to be gotten rid off by Gambians in the inside. That can only change base on what the opposition leaders do. I am not talking about the opportunists among the leaders, but those with integrity. Their attitude to change must change if we are to get rid of Yaya now, as oppose to his natural death.
>  
> Those leaders need to stop believing they can rehabilitate, reason, joke, or teach a dictator worthy of his salt. Love, education, democracy, and laughter has never gotten rid of a dictator and they will not be the first to achieve that in the history of humanity. The army should have been the place to get rid of him, but currently Yaya is one and the same with the army. A minute on the Army. We say that Yaya is putting Jolas as the higher ups in the army, but the majority in the army are not Jolas? That majority can do something about Yaya, but for the greed the author talked about. They are all looking for crumbs and titles and have no time to think about getting rid of Yaya, just like the Jolas surrounding him.
>  
> Going back to the opposition leaders, they may mean well, but they help Yaya by default through their actions. Let's take Ousainou, Halifa, and Sidia (I did not include Hamat for obvious reasons and OJ's PPP is non-existent). Now, why do these guys think that obeying the law/Yaya, or educating Yaya will see Yaya out? It will never happen. After 19 years they know exactly what they need to do - be seen to lead the people to take back their country. They need to bring the masses who support them to the streets. But we all know they are not ready or willing to do that. I know their supporters are by now up in arms to lodge a charge for Joe to go to Gambia and lead the people to the streets. Lord knows if I were in their position I will do just that. Let's say I land in Gambia today, I will be picked up at the airport while these guys preach calm and engage in reasoning to eternity. That is what will happen to any vocal diasporan that has been a thorn in the flesh. If these party leaders will let their own officers rot in jail, you think they will skip lunch to rescue Joe to continue to fight with them? No, they will not. If you replace Joe with Suntou, Nyang, or any other partisan who is vocal you will get the same result. Since these guys are going to continue to educate Yaya, it is high time those of us on the outside to form a group that will force the issue in the streets. We will find out that we should have done this a long time ago, for when the heat is on the Yayas are cowards. At this stage of the game confrontation by any means is very very necessary.  What is needed is dedicated Gambians to start, that's all. 
>  
> A while back we saw the Bayo Group to appear. Some of us were open to their direction, however, to be blunt, the group was too homogeneous and that was not by accident. That sort of mindset is what has kept Yaya in power and we need to have the proper representation to be taken seriously. Another group was compiled but they lacked commitment and confidentiality.  We are at crossroads, we either resolve to start to stop this beast now, or we will see another 19 years go and counting. 
>  
> Now, I know some quarters are already tense and all they will hear is another Jola trying to lead Gambia/Gambians. No, not this Jola. I have been around all this while and participated in almost everything here, yet, you never saw me lead. Precisely because I know our people are sensitive to that. Don't trust me, just follow my steps and do not just start from the US, you can go as far back as Gambia. We just need a few good men and women to start a little something. Alternatively, if there is any such serious group in existence, please contact me and we can take it from there. No folks, this is not in competition with the democracy forces or directions out there. One can get to Gambia using various means. I am not televising either. It is called starting some where, just like one starts a political party, a pressure group, or an Umbrella group. The only difference is the stakes are higher in what I am soliciting for. Folks know my email.
>  
> Joe 
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> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:25:36 +0100
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: Gambian Dr Under attack
> To: [log in to unmask]
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> The Gambia has it fair share of academics at present and the number is growing. Although the bulk of our intellectuals, or should we say, those with Doctorate titles are hardly heard in conversations, even in their field of expertise. What is puzzling is that, a number has succumbed to the trappings of the Jammeh dictatorship, as opined by the writer of the article below.
>  A source in the Gambia immigration services indicate that, quiet a number of Dr titile holders actually travel with President Jammeh's approved diplomatic passports, advising him and sometimes running secret errands for him. One may see attaining a PhD as something monumental, but actually, does it just mean a licence to fall into the petty trapping within the elite of the third world. A vehicle to get some hearing, but not a tool to change society for the better. 
> The Dr (PhD) Gambians haven't put anything tangible on the plate yet, or do some expect too much from ordinary men/women who just want to be left alone to do what they want, rather than shouldering the burden of our social ills. A recent article in Aljazeera by Mamdani explain the faults of the secular liberals in Africa...a case study of this group may help us help them...
> Suntou
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> http://kibaaro.com/why-do-you-single-out-dr-amadou-janneh/
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> Why Do You Single Out Dr. Amadou Janneh
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