Haruna, I know the words and these are just two over the years. I just don't see a lot of rationale over the obsession regardless of what the situation is. It is the persistence and years of relentless attack NOT on policy or substance but on the person that baffles many people... 

Imagine if I sit here every day parading all kinds of words against the person of Haruna even if you have not said a word once about me... Over time it becomes an obsession and gives no other explanation but hatred against you.... That's just my personal observation and I know it weighs less on Daffeh but at least thousands on this forum can bear me witness... It would be embarrassing to attack someone so much when you probably never met them and if you were to share a room with them or even work with them we cannot be completely ruled out as far as Gambia... In a court of law this might be rightfully called stocking or harassment as it is void of any policy disagreement.. Opp.. I will leave that to the legal minds and I stand to be corrected!

Thanks

Demba 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Demba, pugnacious narcissist is a strong adjective but it is not a hateful one. It only sounds so. Like calling you a Pamplemousse. (: That is the reason Hon. Halifa has not responded to Sonny. You remember Hon. Halifa responded to the more severe challenge from our cousin Hon. Modou. And Hon. Modou was not even hating................

Haruna.

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Daffeh,

I wonder if common sense and decency does not dictate that you really reconsider your name callings in the person of Halifa? Do you ever feel any remorse or guilty of attacking someone who you simply disagree with but have so much hatred for as an individual; someone who has never responded to you despite years of assault on his person? 

Do you really sit down and ask yourself what has this man done to you and your family? I can guarantee you the only thing that binds you with Halifa is the accidental history of being born Gambian? 

I am sure many people are asking the same questions. Halifa is sure old enough to be your brother if not father. He has family and love ones like you do. Certainly he is not the only one in PDOIS.. Sidia Jatta, Uncle Sam Sarr, Swaibou Touray just to name a few. Why in the world is the assault and hate about???? 

Please, please many of us hear disagree with Halifa but the daily assault and name calling on someone who you probably never even shared a room with much more have conversation with is just appalling. Common law dictates that we treat others the way we want to be treated. I hope you really think about this the impact of being ignored despite years of assault...

Thanks

Demba

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Rene, of course I am not comparing myself with Halifa. I am only doing the contrast. Halifa is a pugnacious narcissist. So I will not compare myself with such a person.
 
I now understand what you mean when you said Halifa has moved from his propaganda agenda. You mean he now realised that apart from his disciples like yourself, there are no fools around he can hoodwink with his untruthful statements, deceits and political glibs. I welcome that development. I hope he also realised that the UDP will not forgo the prudence and the legitimacy of a UDP led alliance just to accommodate his narcissism.
 
I know nothing about propaganda for I am about facts,facts, and facts, and I shall remain determined to continue on that path regardless of the corrosive effect on your Ayatollah's standing which I understand, is much to your annoyance and discomfort.
 
By the way, did you realised that Halifa have strained himself a lot in prosecuting his propaganda?? That was only because he has been throwing punches that were well above his political weight. No wonder he has changed course, according to yourself. Good for him.

Owens is getting frustrated. So gonna have to cut it short right here.

Thanks
Daffeh

On Sunday, 4 August 2013,  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Daffeh, this is the height of folly for you to be comparing yourself to Halifa. On what basis? I will now have to take you for who you are.
>  I wonder what camp you belong to. I also notice an interesting way about how you conduct your arguments, always short on substance but relying on the ambiguity of your word usage in your responses. Consider the word camp. Do you mean camp as to the political party you belong, or do you mean camp as to the intellectual class you belong. 
> More over, instead of challenging the postulations I made and deepen further the intellectual inquiry, you find it convenient to talk about something else. How then can I take you seriously?
> Rene
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> Rene, you do not belong to my camp and therefore, have no chance of setting an eye on any concept paper I may have developed. Unlike your Ayatollah, I am not a show man.
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> Thanks
> Daffeh
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> On Saturday, 3 August 2013,  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> "Rene, I was not going to respond to you because you can't think for yourself. Nonetheless, can you kindly tell me when this so-called propaganda stage of Gambian politics started, when did it end and what was it all about??? . Your response will be highly appreciated as it will help me understand the heck you are on about"
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>> Daffeh, if you want to accuse me of not thinking for myself, I don't think you are in a better position either. I haven't read anything that you have thought for yourself. I haven't read any concept you have developed about the Gambian economy; any strategy you have formulated to resolve the contending issues of the Gambian political situation.
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>> I haven't read any original postulation you have made on any issue, more so issues that are relevant to the Gambian political discourse. Even the political party that you represent, I haven't read anything substantive that you have contributed to raise its political profile, neither is there anything substantive in terms of building the party's platform that can be attributed to you. So, saying that I do not think for myself is the classical case of the kettle calling the pot back.
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>> Now, when it comes to knowledge: there is a subjective knowledge base and there is an objective knowledge base. And there are fundamental principles that govern  the whole concept of knowledge. You find these principles in all disciplines and in all areas of knowledge. You do not have to be knowledgable about a discipline, but once you understand the principles that govern that dicipline you should be able to discourse in that dicipline. You can also conceptualize new ideas and formulate new thought processess. This is how people think for themselves.
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>> Propaganda has always been a phenomenal aspect of Gambian politics. And it is a tendency whereby politcians or their surrogates spread ideas or information to either further a cause or damage a cause. They can also spread ideas and allegations for the same purpose. The distingushing factors are whether the information spread is true or false and the cause damaged is genuine or not.
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>> Therefore propaganda can be used negatively to spread unfounded allegations; to tell lies repeatedly so that by telling it the more it will become the truth. It can be used negatively to assasinate someone's character or consistently deride someone's noble ideas in order to make it ignoble. Conversely, propaganda can be used positively to refute a lie; to challenge a postulation that is false and deceiving; and to advance a cause that is noble and genuine. The latter is the propaganda stage that is the genesis of the Gambian political struggle that started in the late eighties.  

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