FyeI apologise for taking you as civilise and capable of communication without resorting to insults and calling me names.Kejau.
Sent from Kejau's iPhoneKejau..I know better Egypt and Turkey have secularism in their constitutions than you and this is what their people wants not an Islamic dictatorship period..So if you don't understand that in my message then you are really very STUPID...Why are people demonstrating in these countries since the Arab up-spring started ? These People want a better life and to maintain Islam as their religion with respect to other religious communities among them...How many Christians died in Egypt since Morsi came to power ? Remember Christianity came to Egypt before Islam..Yes the Muslim brotherhood in both Egypt and Tunisia are strictly Islamic parties and yes their people elected them but since they failed to deliver people took to the streets again...Once again if you don't realize that then you are an IDIOT...Get to the point and control your rage..The Christian west has nothing to do what is happening in these countries and i will be the first person to condemn them if that happens...So again you are making nonsense ...Turkish Government has been doing great economically for years now but they have a long way to improve the democratic principles for all their citizens..Are you aware how many Turkish journalists and opposition members are lingering in jails since this party came to power? Perhaps one of the main reasons their refuse to join the EU... I think your international awareness is very limited so you better know who you are talking to...Morsi himself admitted last night his mistakes and i am with the Egyptian people to see him go....You better do the same or stuff your message...Niamorkono¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.htmlOn Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Fye,How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If the Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist. The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace with the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet you want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out.As Dr. Malang said, the people get the government they deserve! The Armed Forces in Egypt chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations instead of the legitimate winners of the elections. History will judge them and as Pastor often quipped, the consequences of their actions will be devastating for years to come.The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will they disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push them out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the near future.As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of our existence and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US government is being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to consider their aid package to a military that fails its historic responsibility and the actions the Obama government and the west takes will have consequences for all us for years to come.Thanks,Kejau
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:07:06 +0200
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Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline loomsFolks..Egyptian people wants a secular system with democratic values and transparency not an Islamic dictatorship...So i support the army on this one for getting rid of Morsi and hopefully the Islamist will not succeed in both Turkey and Tunisia as well...I wish the interim team all the best of luck..For JusticeNiamorkono¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:12 AM, dbaldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤Cousin Haruna, history doesn't bear witness to military relinquishing power to the people... they get push out by another and another. . Etc.. we shall witness this one too inha- Allah... happy 4thDembaFrom my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
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From: Husainou <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 07/03/2013 7:27 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤Haruna,You seem to have a lot of fate in the people's ability to control the military.Malanding
Sent from my iPadAnd the military will be removed by the people if they turn against the people by rigging elections. Where are Rawlings and ATT now?????????????????????????????
I encourage you to have faith in the great people of Misera.
Haruna.
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From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: Egypt tense as army deadline looms
Great observation brother Khaleel, in the long run these military turns out to become so called civilian leaders with sham elections... Remember JJ rawlings in Ghana... he tested it first, stepped down and came back later... same thing with Tumani Toure of Mali... It is simply dangerous to give the military with guns so much power... They won't have any respect for the civilian government and the civilian become a puppet of the military institution... Unprecedented indeed! It would be interesting to observe and document developments...
Demba
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Khaleel Jameel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I will need to start reading to see if the Egyptian military is a branch of government that give them the obligation and authority to change a democratically elected government of the people by the people. I guess one great thing I can compliment them on is that they didn't put a military personnel as the head of the interim government but their statement is loud and clear to anyone with the hopes and dreams of ruling Egypt. "We can and will get you out of power as we see fit" forget about the rule of law.
Khaleel
Sent from my iPhone
" Give to yourself as much as you give of yourself".Its confirmed the military has taken over in Egypt... breaking news now....
Demba
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I think we must come to accept that a people deserve the leaders they get. Just stay tune.
Malanding Jaiteh
Sent from my iPadTrue Malamin, but there is a process through which this can be addressed. It is call a democratic process and elections. If they are not happy with Morsi they can vote him out the next time around.. Where does it end is my question? If you elect another leader and quarter of the country is not happy, do you topple them as well? Where does it end? Citizens can engage in activism but violence is intolerable and could be detrimental and turn the country into bloodshed... So they accepted a military council after Mubarak, they will topple morsi and accept another military dictatorship... Am just concern really?
Demba
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Malamin Barrow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Demba, an unfortunate situation in Egypt, but it would be wrong to describe the protesters in Tahrir square as "they were born and brought up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on them". The majority of these protesters are young educated Muslims who want to practice their religion, and still enjoy their civic and secular rights.
Now here comes a democratically elected leader who turns against the first principles of democracy, consensus. He seems to subscribe to the unacceptable notion, which translates democracy as winner takes all. The people in Tahrir square don't want to transition from a military dictatorship to a religious dictatorship.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 1:12:44 PM
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And the protesters would rather accept a military takeover than a civilian rule??? something is wrong with that picture! But then what to expect... most of those protesters don't know any better... they were born and brought up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on them....Sidi Jatta was right when he said "the so called Arab spring is yet to be a revolution" interview with Gainako.playMohammed Morsi
Watching developments closely..
Thanks
Demba
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
All of you made excellent assessment of the current crisis in Egypt . The departure of Mubarak created a power vacuum this is what happens after dictator is dethrone . The notion that Egypt will fully democratic within two years is jejune . Looks like military coupe
Hou
On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Malanding Jaiteh < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
The second coming of Mubarak? Chei!
Malanding
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On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Husainou < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
Tensions are high in Egypt as an army ultimatum for President Mohammed Morsi to resolve deadly unrest approaches.
Clashes broke out at rival protests across the country overnight, with at least 16 pro-Morsi protesters killed at a demonstration at Cairo University.
The army has said it will shed its blood to defend Egypt against "any terrorist, radical or fool".
Mr Morsi insists he is the legitimate leader and will not give in to "violence and thuggery" by resigning.
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In a defiant televised speech on Tuesday evening, he too said he would give his life to defend constitutional legitimacy, and blamed the unrest on corruption and remnants of the ousted regime of Hosni Mubarak.
Calling for protesters to respect the rule of law, he urged the establishment of a committee of reconciliation as well as a charter of ethics for the media, and said he was prepared to meet all groups and individuals as part of a national dialogue process.
'Terrorists and fools'
The army has given a deadline of around 16:30 local time (14:30 GMT) on Wednesday for the crisis to be dealt with.
In a statement posted on its Facebook page after Mr Morsi's speech was broadcast - under the title, "Final Hours" - it said: "We swear to God that we will sacrifice even our blood for Egypt and its people, to defend them against any terrorist, radical or fool."
Media reports say the army's plan includes the outline for new presidential elections, the suspension of the new constitution and the dissolution of parliament.
However one military source told Reuters those reports were not true, and that the deadline would mark the beginning of talks about what should be done next.
On Tuesday, Mr Morsi met the head of the armed forces, Gen Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, for a second consecutive day. No details of the talks, which also included Prime Minister Hisham Qandil, were released.
Military sources earlier told the BBC the president's position was becoming "weaker" with every passing minute and suggested that, under the draft plan, he could be replaced by a council of cross-party civilians and technocrats ahead of new elections.
The president was put under further pressure by the resignation of six ministers from his government on Monday, including Foreign Minister Kamel Amr.
Mr Morsi became Egypt's first Islamist president on 30 June 2012, after winning an election considered free and fair following the 2011 revolution that toppled Mubarak.
But anger has been growing against him and the Muslim Brotherhood - the party from which he comes. Protesters are angry at the lack of development in post-revolution Egypt - they accuse the Brotherhood of trying to protect its own interests and of pushing an Islamist agenda.
"This is a president threatening his own people. We don't consider him the president of Egypt," said Mohammed Abdelaziz, a leader of the Tamarod (Rebel) campaign, a rapidly growing anti-Morsi opposition movement.
However, Mr Morsi and the Brotherhood still have significant public support, and both sides have drawn huge numbers to rallies in recent days.
Thousands gathered in Tahrir Square in central Cairo on Tuesday afternoon to demand Mr Morsi step down. There were outbreaks of violence in several parts of the capital, with casualties reported at hospitals in the north, south and centre of Cairo.
In the largest unrest, at least 16 people were killed and about 200 wounded at Cairo University in Giza. Eyewitness Mostafa Abdelnasser told AFP that Morsi supporters had come under attack from unidentified men carrying firearms.
Clashes were also reported in Alexandria, Egypt's second city, on Tuesday.
Crowds began gathering in Tahrir Square again on Wednesday morning, with numbers expected to rise throughout the day.
On Monday, eight people died as activists stormed and ransacked the Muslim Brotherhood's Cairo headquarters.
In the wake of the latest unrest, the UK Foreign Office has changed its travel advice for Egypt recommending against all but essential travel to the country except for resorts on the Red Sea in South Sinai and in the Red Sea governorate.
The instability has also hit global oil prices, sending US light crude above $100 a barrel for the first time since September last year, amid concerns supply routes through the Suez Canal could be affected.
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