Khalleel,  

We gave recommendations after this very flawed and biased recommendation from Matt. Any steering committee should include the disparate groups in the diaspora and that is what the conference was supposed to have achieved. For a start the recommended committee did not include a single woman but only UDP and all his his group, CCG and Sankareh. 
This was so flawed, biased and a  serious conflict of interest that it deserves a whole overhaul.  

Kejau. 

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This has indeed been an interesting conversation judging by the amount of threads. Please allow me to add my two cents. I don’t think Matthew’s absence from Raleigh or him adding his name on the list should be the focal point here. I believe that we need to nurture the best out of everyone and encourage pathfinders. I commend Matthew for giving us a start. He took his time and energy made the effort to provide us with something we can improve on if we feel that it is not up to what we want then lets perfect it by having serious conversation about it.  Instead, some of us decided to be so critical and yet made no alternate recommendation. I have a lot of respect for a person who can look at anything put before him/her and criticize it for all its flaws but I admire the one who criticizes and offer a thoughtful recommendation. 

 

If we maintain structure, boundaries and discipline at all times, we will without a doubt prevail. May God bless us all and our motherland.

 

Khaleel


Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:59:40 -0400
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You're in good company Yero. Let's hang on to Madiba for dear life. If we try to pull Kejau back, he may end up dragging us all into the ditch. Along with uncle Mathew and Giuseppe. And those two think they have a misunderstanding. Wait till they get into Kajau's ditch.

Haruna. (:

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Haruna:
 
I am following the debate. (LOL).
 
For now, I am hanging onto Mandela.
 
I have some stuff to offer on this debate, but my hands are tied.
 
Make it a great week. :)
 
Yero
 

Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:08:34 -0400
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When a man is totally lost he must be pulled by his nose not by his back pocket.Kejau:

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Thanks Demba.  That is our point that the conferences should be like the London conference i.e. 'bringing ...groups together to start with other diaspora groups putting the horse before the horse instead of otherwise.] Kejau.

No two conferences/congresses can be alike. I know you meant "putting the horse before the cart" Kejau, but nevermind the error. In conferences and congresses, we aim to put men and women behind wheelbarrows. The horses will be taken to the farm to help us in our farm work. I understand you thrive on these sound bites, having commanded in the military for decades.

[
The aim should be to unite US groups under 1 umbrella as the Sweden Conference will aim to unite Europe under one group.] Kejau.

I hope the Sverige organizers don't let you anywhere near the conference organizing. AND I hope they are not aiming to unite Diaspora Europe under one group. They will fail miserably and they will have wasted time and energy failing.

[
Other diaspora groups were and are invited respectively.] Kejau.

If you say diaspora should unite first before inviting Home, and you claim the Sverige group is aiming to unite diaspora Europe under one umbrella group, why invite other diaspora groups???? Unless you mean 'other EUROPE diaspora groups'.
 
[Then we can later organize a diaspora wide conference uniting all those diverse group.] Kejau.

What an idiotic idea Kejau??????????????????????????? And if you cannot unite the Europe Diaspora under one group in Sverige??? (which is a foolhardy quest in my opinion)

[It only then can we approach the Gambian stakeholders to unite with a single proposal.] Kejau

Why would Gambian stakeholders need us to approach them before they unite under one group? And why proposal this time instead of group????

[
That's not rocket science.] Kejau.

Aren't you glad its not rocket science?

[
It's only when we unite first can we ask others to unite.] Kejau.

If anyone needs you to ask them to unite, they ought to avoid you with a 10-ft pole.

I haven't seen a fellow so dense Kejau!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you sure you're related to me, if through uncle Sidia??????????? I doubt it, or I'll excommunicate my great uncle Sidia from the family. With you.

Haruna.



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Kejau,

Just a point of observation. It is my understanding that DUGA, GDAG and STGDP united/collaborated to organize the conference in Raleigh. It is my understanding that the Raleigh conference was organized under the spirit of harnessing ideas on how our country can move forward... While unity was a central theme.. unity cannot be achieve overnight... So for the simple fact that some differences of the political constituents came through in Raleigh does not do justice to claim the Rally conference brought more division than unity... Was it contentious absolutely, is that to be expected absolutely..  I think it was simply an excuse for those who fail to attend to give the conference a negative face thus their excuse.

Now would the Swedish conference highlight some differences... ? If it didn't then we must admit it may not achieve what it is set to achieve. Highlighting various perspectives and approach to our political solutions is part and parcel of the dialogue and it must be present else we are just putting bandage over the wounds hoping it will heal itself...  I hope that you will really consider what others have already advice that the London conference you keep referencing was completely different. It was design to form, bring the Gambian groups together to start working on collaborating with other groups...

Just a thought...

Regards

Demba


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:39 PM, kejau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Edi.

It can be easily discerned that those groups various, DUGA, should be allowed to meet and chose leaders and committees much like London did.  London was in fact the perfect initiative. Why did Raleigh chose to be different and cause so much controversy.  Sweden too is very promising and that is what we hope all diaspora organisations will aim to do. To unite and not divide us. Unite themselves first and only then can we speak with a clear and one voice. Unless we do things by the books we are bound to fail. Whether it's a coup d'etat or a conference. 
Kejau


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You people needed to be serious, The man came with his proposal instead of countering his opinion, you are against it or nullifying his opinion. When shall we seized to be such a choleric individuals? I think we should be phlegmatic towards Mathew's honest initiatives. The only mistake here on his side is the inclusion of his own name knowing quite well, how our mentality function. Besides, he already mentioned the fact that his proposition is not permanent. Are we here to find a perfect person to lead us? who is that perfect person? Is there anyone in this world without error? What we are hungry to materialize is change of government not judging each other. One will never learn without making mistake, mistake should be used as stepping stone not as judging other's reliability period. Edi


 
DO ONTO OTHERS AS YOU WILL ACCEPT THEM IN RETURN. DO YOUR BEST AND LIVE THEREST TAKING CARE FOR ITSELF


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Giuseppe, you can smell a rat a Gambian mile away! What is wrong with yew? Saachay Mbow!!!!!!!!

Haruna.

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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:20:18 -0500

Nice try, but I cannot help but to point out the slight of hand here and am sure many saw the same. If Raleigh is Super Kanja then GCC is Domoda. Now, how were they mixed in together and we end up with Domoda? Not withstanding the lack of women in this scheme which was pointed out by someone, it is also quite apparent that "our saviors" end up Steering Us, Leading Us, and Advising the drivers and leaders of the steered and the led. I thought their's was not about leadership? Yet, every where you turn you see their hustle all over the place. How did Sidat and Amadou end up steering the herd and Mathew and Morro "Advising" them? I even see Buba dangling on some Banghas. This scheme is more rigged than a "Konge Picho Mboloo". Matthew and his gang must change suppliers, for they have been sold some bad stuff that is messing with their brain. The last time I checked, Raleigh was not GCC and even Che Kebbeh had a seat at the table. As of last week, I was also informed that those who went to Raleigh were about to meet to form a Steering Committee about the way forward. How come then Matthew and his Gang scurried up their list ahead of Raleigh? Is Raleigh at par with GCC or better yet, is Raleigh Subordinate to GCC? GCC seem to have an internal problem for many a times it sounds like Matthew is talking and not a group. The below nonsensical list is one of those instances it seems. It is also very cloudy as to where CCG ends and where GCC begin, for you see the same foxes appearing and disappearing on both sides of the fence. We have not yet gotten power and we are this dangerous, I wonder what this bunch will lay on Gambians if we fool around and have them lord over us. We seem to have too many damn Chiefs and very few Indians. The other funny thing is to read them appointing themselves instead of their fellow stakeholders appointing them. Now Gambians, look at the below list (except for a few) and tell me if it does not resemble more like a Kabudou list, Stout, as in Guiness included! True to form, Matthew is basically saying that the Raleigh folks stole the ideas of GCC, which is Matthew's mouthpiece and so Matthew will fix the darn thing and save all and sundry from "Divisiveness" - I have been hearing a lot about that word and it sounds very familiar. Is Matthew associating such a "Bad" word with Raleigh? Blasphemy! Sankanu is not the exception in out lot you know! See the below culled from Maafanta.

The Gambia: Raleigh and the urgency of political change

By Mathew K Jallow

It is an integral part of Gambian history. The Raleigh Conference, that is. Not history as in things past. For Raleigh is still ongoing, still under a slow, painful birth; still emerging out of the dark shadow of Gambia’s tragic story; and still being crafted into Gambia’s political reality. One can rightly argue that Gambia is exceedingly messy both in its politics as well as its socio-economics, even laden with smoldering bitterness beneath the surface tranquility, and some Gambians are often divided by the familiar nonsensicality of their individual illusions of intellectual prowess, but there is nothing idealistic about aspirating for a Gambia that is free from the vicissitudes of corruption and political tyranny. The right to liberty and freedom is an instinct of nature, an essential element of being human, and its supremacy must never be compromised or subjected to wimps of despots and political manipulation. The meticulous planning that went into making Raleigh a reality reflects the pathetic political conundrum that has wrecked havoc on the Gambia’s cultural cohesiveness and moral rectitude, which for generations had defined the true Gambian spirit. The surprising 1994 coup, which initially generated a groundswell of support, irreversibly devastated the Gambia and led to the ongoing social disarray and political confusion, but not even the cruelty of the reptilian bloodlust of its aftermath could confound Gambians’ sense of nationalism and unparalleled patriotism.


The true meaning of Raleigh was, therefore, to arouse our jealously guarded nationalistic fervor for a cause greater than our individuals’ grossly inflated senses of our worth. But Raleigh also questioned the depth to which Gambians would go, the breadth to which they will venture, and the extent to which they will sacrifice in order to restore dignity to a brutalized country. Raleigh as an event of historical significance may now belong to the past, yet its aims and visions lives on in our collective commitment to a free Gambia. The Resolutions that came out of Raleigh are a mature and balanced approach with potentials for success in lieu of the Gambia’s notoriously partisan electoral system. To further foil prospects to alter political landscape, Yahya Jammeh, over the past several years completely stripped the Gambian military of its intellectual capacity and moral fortitude to force regime change in Gambia. But, Raleigh has come to signify the opening of an avenue that will carry Gambia towards a new and just political dispensation. And Raleigh crafted a Resolution that is striking in many ways, but particularly because it called for the formation of a Steering Committee. From personal knowledge, different Gambian groups and individuals support different individuals to head a united civil society front, nonetheless, we have a unique opportunity to end the unnecessary bickering over this issue.


As it stands now, the new and still forming Gambia Consultative Council (GCC), which has the most comprehensive list of Gambian organizations and individuals involved in the liberation struggle, originally planned to hold voting of an Executive Committee to lead the Gambian struggle, but the recent UK Congress and the Raleigh Conference, have together preempted much of GCC’s original plans and forced the organization’s rethinking of a new direction. It is worth noting that prior to the Raleigh Resolution; GCC had concluded that the divisiveness that could result from voting for its Executive Committee was unnecessary and preventable. GCC, therefore, proposed the formation of a Steering Committee, which incidentally the Raleigh Conference proposed as well. Now that a common ground has been created between Raleigh and GCC, we should collectively agree that Gambians needs to put our best feet out to lead the effort in regaining our country. The Gambians who GCC proposes to lead our collective effort have earned the right, not because they are better educated, but because they have better and more broadly recognizable resumes. In this ongoing struggle, GCC recognizes the selfless efforts of every Gambian, but in order to achieve the success we desire, a leadership organizational structure is required and the formation of a Steering Committee is an appropriate beginning. In recognizing the brilliant ideas coming out of Raleigh, the GCC proposes the formation of such a leadership structure as follows:


Steering Committee

Dr Momodou Lamin Sedat Jobe

Bakary B Darboe

Dr. Abdoulaye Saine

Hon. Ousainou Darboe

Dr. Amadou Scattred Janneh

Adviser of Steering Committee

Buba Baldeh advises Dr. Sedat Jobe

Abdoulie Jobe advises Bakary B Darboe

Ebrima Sankareh advises Dr. Abdoulaye Saine

Karamba Touray advises Hon. Ousainou Darboe

Ndey Tapha-Sosseh advises Dr. Amadou Janneh

Committees

Finance/Fundraising Committee

International Campaign Committee

Diaspora/Homeland Unification Committee

Meetings, Protests and Demonstration Campaign Committee

Information and Education Committee (tv, radio, print and online media etc)

Gambia Crime Investigation Committee

Committee Heads

Banka Manneh-STGDP/CSAG

Alkali Conteh-GDAG

Pa Coach Samba Jow-DUGA

Fatou Jow Manneh

Saihou Mballow-MDD

Demba Dem-Netherland Group

Yankuba Darboe-lawyer

Advisers of Steering Committee

Sidi Sanneh

Mathew K Jallow

Nothing in the above proposal is set in stone. The form of the structure the campaign will take is dependent on the general consensus of all Gambians. To this effect, Gambians in the struggle are invited to sign up as members of the united Gambian organization the Gambia Consultative Council. Those interested in joining the broadest membership of Gambians organizations and individuals are encouraged to: [log in to unmask] attention Mathew K Jallow, Yusupha Jow or Fatou Sagnia.
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