Mawdo Yero, I too understand LJD's points on Bush... while Bush himself is not bad as an individual, I think his admi


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LJD,


Thanks for the brilliant lecture about Bush, his predecessors, and American politics in general. I am not in any way taking away some of the credits he earned as a President. Certainly, black appointees were more in his administration as you rightly mentioned, together with some of his “cool” ways of appealing to Americans. When Bush admitted to having smoked weeds in his younger days, that was it. (LOL).  I am in no way saying that Bush was empty but I must tell you he was somewhat a problem in major things that certainly raised red flags for a healthy democracy like America.  Earlier on the day, I followed one of the former Supreme Court Judges in the person of Sandra Day O’Connor who expressed regrets over the way that the 2000 Florida decision was finalized which saw George W. Bush to power. (Star Tribune, 04/26/13). Personally, I am opposed to some of these wars waged in the name of liberation and war against terror. Like any other tax payer, I would have loved to see things directed to areas that benefit humanity, rather than create human suffering. This was a major contributor to job loss and to somewhat crippling America’s great economy. While I fully believe in America’s models of democracy, some of the wars we fought could have been handled different. We’ve seen a great deal of mess, from human loss, to destruction of infrastructure, thus creating more enemies out there. This was spelt out clearly by Obama during his first elections that brought him to power.


Regards to Gambia’s politics (Nana, Waa, etc), it is a total mess, and nothing could be more confusing.

 

I for one agree with you that our differences are more philosophical. I realized the favorite word in town, ‘Turncoats.’ I sometimes get blown away how supposedly future leaders of our country get so comfortable using the words ‘Turncoats’ and ‘apologists’ on others who are on their side. We all are too familiar with the Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) struggle to win the hearts of his one time foes. Omar (RA) was one that we know much about. I know that was religion and this one is politics. The truth is we must be very careful in our battles for redemption.  Let us go after the enemy and his combatants. Those that changed positions (turncoats) to our side must be welcomed to come and fight with us. Often times, people like to blow things out of proportion to the extent of insult. This has yielded us nothing but more division and giving more victory to the common enemy. I am openly saying that we must all change in attitude, from those that are too blinded to join ranks with Jammeh, to those that enjoy saying they never worked with Jammeh, to extent mount aggression on those constantly being termed here turncoats.  The argument is weak to even label people as “lacking principle/standards” because of a person’s opinion that we must seek to unite than divide. It is not only unhealthy, it shows scary tendencies. Some of these misnomers are so unfitting and to our disadvantage, the victor is only Jammeh. A liberator cannot be a bully.


In any way, the Gambia belongs to all of us. We all must decide what Gambia we want for our children and grandchildren. If we continue on some of the paths that I observed, I am truly afraid; we will be behind for a while. For any that beats the chest in boastfulness is not the one, and the one that divides is equally not the one. 


 


Best regards & thanks for any expansion in advance. Your humbleness and ability to remain civil and calm at all times is admirable. For that, I say you are winning...and keep it even sharper!


Yero.


 


 


 

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Subject: [>-<] FW: [G_L] Nana Grey-Johnson
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:36:07 -0500

Fyi


Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:31:08 -0500
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LJD, be rest assured of our highest regards despite our differences in opinion. I will attempt to stretch this a little further for you early tomorrow inshallah. Thanks as always for being constantly civil in all your debates.   Best, Yero.


Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:23:05 +0100
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YJ

Haruna deliberately misquoted George W

In terms of conduct in the international arena, only Jimmy Carter was better than him. As the preeminent imperial power since 1945, US foreign policy is tragic through and through. On the subject of foreign policy, W's rascalism was at par with that of Obama, Clinton, Bush Snr, Reagan, and stretching back to Eisenhower. As far as appointments, he was better than Obama and all the Democratic presidents since the structures of segregation began seriously crumbling in the Kennedy/Johnson era. He was the first President to allocate State, and National Security, to Black appointees. The Bushisms and American foreign policy misadventures notwithstanding, I always have a soft spot for George W. As far as foreign policy, I think even naturalized Americans like you are no different from your presidents. You equate war with your Hollywood movies, a tragic mindset by any account. Nevertheless, I am an Americophile, someone deeply in love with the land of freedom and endless marvels. 

On Nana Grey-Johnson, I was somewhat baffled by your apparent stance. If I didn't know you better, I'd say your sympathy may be running thin for the "turncoats". I know that's not you, but I am unwilling to separate the Waa Juwaras and Grey-Johnsons from the historical cases, the class spanning the period 2000-2010. Why do you appear to separate them? 

Demba's heart is in the right place and he is a dependable partner in the struggle against tyranny in The Gambia. He is not an apologist at all. Our differences over the "turncoats" are more philosophical, and I can't see my condemnation of blatant opportunism by those who ought to know better, and did know better, changing anytime soon. 


LJDarbo


From: Yero Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2013, 21:11
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Mawdo Demba,
 
Great Points. I equally share and respect all of your takes. That make these forums lively. Your take certainly doesn't make you an apologist. Your records during the course of Gambia's struggle speaks for itself. You have agreed to be in the line of fire at the expense of everything.
 
That aside, I think there are some lessons to learn from. From some of your points that I gathered, the most terrible dictators were crumbled from within, some reasonable even have to join to partially redirect certain things. That hasn't been the case at all in Gambia, and If LJD will permit me borrow his line, "A snow ball has more chance in hell."
 
The whole thing comes back to Haruna's line " Like President W said: You fool me once, you fool me twice, why you, you,..I mean, can't fool again. what? oh fool me once, can't fool me again."
 
Have a great weekend...
 
Best,
Yero

 

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:06:36 -0700
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LJD,

I am in agreement with all of you in principle and am definitely not embracing Grey Johnson taking a position with Jammeh. By now anyone who slightly bothers to know my stand will not associate me with being an apologist for those associated with Jammeh... I guess there is a side of me that continue to wish and yearn that citizens will stand up to Jammeh and point their fingers right in between his eyes and say not this time.. Is avoiding him and taking a le
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