Yero,

I think the correlations between African armies and harassing civilians can be greatly attributed to lack of discipline and understanding of their purpose of existence. I believe that discipline and effectiveness cannot be separated in any profession particularly within the armed forces. You cannot effectively run any organization without establishing and enforcing discipline. This 9-letter word is much over used and less understood. The reason why the United States army has significant success is largely because of the discipline of its Soldiers.  This is not to say that every Soldier in the United States Army is completely discipline in all aspects but there are established guidelines under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which set the conditions for a discipline force.

I mention earlier about understanding purpose, though the U.S. Army has reputable requirements to join its Army, each Soldier is required mainly to understand their assigned weapon and be able to employ it, be physically fit but most importantly each Soldier have a Military Occupation Specialty (MOS) which is their occupation within the Army. These varies from engineers, mechanics, cooks, combat arms etc……. I think this helps with productivity by utilizing the forces to not only attempt to sustain themselves but also to assist when needed while saving money doing some jobs that they are trained to do instead of hiring extra help. 

On average a U.S Soldier will go to a school before every promotion especially senior ranks. These schools are designed to teach anything from leadership, discipline and other related lessons as deem necessary. A lot of effort is put into training but most importantly discipline. My favorite story on discipline and understanding purpose is the duke of wellington and the young plough boy.

There is a serious lack of discipline, commitment and pride in many African Soldiers. I am mostly troubled by the level of education, training and understanding the purpose of the armed forces in Africa. The word army is utterly associated with strength, built and power of an individual vise the organization in which one serves. You have to be this stocky build guy to be a Soldier, never about what you know. Their officer corps is reserved strictly for fairly educated people with a high school diploma. This coupled with lack of experience is the reason we can’t produce military leaders that can employ critical thinking, make decisions that will benefit their organizations for generations. There is also a problem that senior commanders don’t have the latitude to make key decisions.

Another aspect is advancement and promotions within the ranks. As Kejau mentioned earlier, promotions are not in accordance with selecting the right person for the right job base on qualifications. In any organization, if you do not promote and advance employees base on performance, knowledge and experience, you will have your thinking done by fools an your work by people who do not care but only collect checks.

I believe that if the armies are properly aligned, educated, provided for and given a specialty other than infantry they would produce better results for our nations. I think the same way Jammeh utilized the Soldiers to work in his farm, the Gambia National Army (GNA) should consider buying farmlands and utilize Soldiers annually to produce most of the rice and other foodstuff they consume. This will occupy them and improve productivity while cutting the cost of our military budget. This can be done in areas of construction; carpentry and many other areas especially since we can’t even foresee war on the Gambian land. I also think that the GNA should draw down its forces, revamp their requirements for new recruits, review their budget and streamline their service packages.

Most African leaders are misguided when it comes to armed forces. The misconception of stockpiling of arms to defend their failed regimes at the detriment of our development and safety. Take a country like Gambia, all those weapons and armored vehicles are solely a show of force to help the president defend his absolute power against possible attempts to change his regime. Those same weapons were used to terrorize the people, massacre our elite citizens and students. Weapons that more often serve us ill than good in within our borders.

Military service anywhere in the world is attributed to love of country and the willingness to sacrifice for that nation. It is about defending the people at any cost, it is about selflessness and the discipline required to know what’s right and execute it even when no one is watching. It is about commitment, respect for rules, regulations and policies understanding that wearing the uniform does not put you above the law rather the law requires a lot out of you based on your service to that nation which is solely your choice.

I will leave you with this; an American Soldier cannot drink or visit certain establishments before he/she turns 21 but an American Soldier will, is prepared to and have died in the defense of his/her nation under the age of 21 paying the ultimate sacrifice.

Khaleel

Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:24:58 -0600
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution
To: [log in to unmask]


Kejau:

 I made the comment in reference to your military background; a position of lieutenant in Gambian standard must have been a great achievement in the military before Jammeh. Recent promotions by jammeh are thoughtfully just "shameful" as they are strictly base on loyalty to jammeh than merit. I regret that I never joined the military myself. Three years ago, I had to make a tough choice between joining the US military and another opportunity. I ended up defaulting to the other opportunity. I have a lot of admiration to those that sincerely served.

 That said, actually nah! I wasn't trying to tell you that all you can participate in is the topic on the military, so you and I can debate about other topics. In fact, it is out of respect that I ask you to add your lines.

 Kejau: I am simply a shepherd. That is my expertise. I am endeavoring to add other things to my plate. When I grow up, I would like to be a scientist. During my leisure times I enjoy debating online despite being one of the busiest you can find around. Years ago, I met with Town crier and he inspired me. As I checked to see all about his life, I realized town crier with all his noise was a worthy person because he makes noise about happenings that affects the daily lives of individuals especially the oppressed. Town crier needed my help and I promised him ‘till death do us part.’  

 On Africa's military, I am disappointed most of the times. I wholly share the views expressed by DA Jawo. I witnessed certain episodes in the Gambia where some of the military did blunders and showed no respect at all to civilians. It is very common to see uniformed men directing insults, beating and kicking civilians.  In a recent interview with former lieutenant Binneh s. Minteh now adjunct professor, he believes that more disciplinary courses should be added to some of these military courses.

 Most of these coups and counter coups owe themselves to indiscipline even though we cannot dispute a part coming from corrupt Governments and leaders. The part where Africa’s military like some of these elements dealt with students at the beaches, interschool’s sports, April 10th/11th, etc…just shows the level of indiscipline that Minteh thinks can be arrested with inclusion of more disciplinary courses in the military curriculum.


Most recently, we were stocked with Dadis; forget about the Yaya for one bit. What the trends shows is that even though Gambia’s military take training from advanced places like Turkey, we are still way behind. The trend also shows likelihood that such problem of coups will continue as every small bird admires the bigger bird getting the fat worms.


Back at you, is it possible to continually keep the military at the barracks? Is it possible to get the military to a standard where they won’t bully civilians?

Thanks for the debate and here I reproduce DA’s whole piece as carried by Kibaaro news. It is open for debate. Feel free to weigh in on any forward and that is goal. I will promise to discuss on the Muslim brotherhood next time.

 

Best regards,

Yero

 

[A prominent Gambian journalist has said that African armies have proven to be bullies of local populations rather defending the territorial integrity of their respective countries.

“African armies are just good at one thing, which is to constantly intimidate and harass the local population,” writes Demba Ali Jawo on his Facebook page.


“We have seen it happen in almost all African countries, with the soldiers subjecting the unarmed civilians to all sorts of harassment for no justifiable reasons. Yet, when it comes to defending the territorial integrity of the country, they just abandon their arms and run away.”


Mr. Jawo believes that “until African armies and other security outfits begin to treat the civil population with respect and dignity, they will never in turn get the respect and adoration that they deserve from the people, and as such, their morale and aptitude to fight will continue to be low.”


He said what is going on in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo is yet another shameful enigma of African armies because “it is hard to imagine how a rag-tag rebel army could so easily over-run Goma, capital of North Kivu from the government army and the so-called UN peacekeepers, hardly meeting any resistance. Of course, when the rebel says that they are on their way to Kinshasa, then no one should deny it.”


Such a scenario, he added, has once again “clearly demonstrated the weakness of African armies.” He said African armies on the surface appear “brave and capable of defending their countries against any foreign threats” when most of them in reality are nothing but a “bunch of cowards ready to flee at the slightest sensing of danger.”


Jawo said such a weakness recently happened in Mali where the army overthrew the government on the pretext that it was not doing enough to equip them fight against the Toureg rebels, but only to run helter-skelter when the rebels approached and within a week of them [rebels] taking over the country, forcing them to abandon the entire north to the very rebels.


“We have also seen what is going on in northern Kenya where a group of lightly armed herdsmen recently wiped out an entire company of heavily armed Kenyan troops, only for the army to turn their anger on the civilian population, beating and even killing some in retaliation,” Jawo observed.]


 

 


 
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:10:18 +0100
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution
To: [log in to unmask]

Yero, 
I was not calling you lame but your take on the issue. Military in Africa is my expertise, eh. Very interesting, but what is yours expertise then. No pun intended, but what makes you think that is my expertise and nothing else, I take it that means I should stick to that and only that and not talk about other issues.
Well as we ask in the military is that a request or an order, as some in African military mayfind it very arrogant especially after calling me immature. Apologies, but  I am saying "let me hear your take on Africa's military being that it is your expertise." can be arrogant in some quarter especially in my "expertise", i.e. in the African military. Just kidding though, so will give you my take when and if I can find time. 
Kind regards, 
Kejau 
 
>
> Kejau: I am not sure you want to pursue on this lame and lazy line
> eventhough I don't expect you to apologize. All I am pointing to is that
> you can debate without calling me any name like lame. We have too much
> humor on these debates added to the fact of taking points that I won't
> call any genuine person lame. To start to call anyone a name, you risked
> being called a worst name and not even an ant will tremble from it. I
> clearly see that not only as immature but defeats the purpose of debating
> here. Anyway, I won't push hard on that point. let us debate still and
> clearly no heart feeling. Good job on talking about the courts and that is
> my expectation. If you dig well, you will notice, most of my forwards are
> to provoke debates which is the reason why we have these forums. Those
> open to dialogue can participate with their ideas on some matters that
> appeal to them. If something doesn't appeal to you, let it pass. There is
> no need to raise blood pressure on some of these leaders like Morsi. I
> share Sidia Jatta's views on the Arab spring. You and I have our problems
> in the Gambia. Some of these leaders you will agree failed. When jammeh
> came to power, (you as a former Military, Lt. title) attest to the fact of
> some of these shameful toad-metamorphosis, baby stages in toads. "You
> could have just forwarded the CNN report and let the readers read for
> themselves rather than take their side and their story and then without
> adding any of your own observations critically." Kejau. Kejau: Don't fail
> to realize that I am equally a reader and entitled to the same basic right
> you want to accord to other readers. Kejau, in America, there is
> somnething we call 'democracy of the people, by the people and for the
> people.' A single person uniformed in the presidency shouldn't decide for
> all. These duck movements and baby steps heads no where but dictatorial.
> Thanks for input on this one, let me hear your take on Africa's military
> being that it is your expertise. Best regards,Yero
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:58:12 +0100
>
From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Yero, You wrote "My take is that you wrote that
> if it If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck from the far
> and near, there is no question about it being a duck
> Suntou". Now that is lame and lazy of you in my
> books. In the same vein, you are pointing at what CNN reported
> without critically analyzing the issue being reported. You could have just
> forwarded the CNN report and let the readers read for themselves rather
> than take their side and their story and then without adding any of your
> own observations critically. You see the CNN reports failed to
> report that there are demonstration for and against these moves. The
> courts, all which were appointed by Mubarak are frustrating all efforts to
> govern. They dissolved parliament and want to assume the full role of law
> making as well as interpretation. The president, the only elected office
> should be the law maker in lieu of the parliament, and the fight for power
> ensues. Instead of three arms of government, there are two arms thanks to
> the courts and now who assumes law making, which cannot be left in
> vacuum...If they do not want the president assuming legislative
> powers, they should let the constitution come into effect asap as well as
> the legislature. Kejau >
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Kejau:
>
>>
>
>> I hope you
>
>> clearly make distinctions between discussions and throwing
>
>> “unsubstantiated accusations”
>
>> as you are trying to label it. As far as I am concerned, the later is
> far
>
>> from
>
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> If you call
>
>> my points lame, wonder what I should call your points then. Will you
> take
>
>> double or triple lame? Instead of engaging in the kind of pettiness
> and
>
>> “flaming”
>
>> of a debate, why not debate your points across. By the way, who said
> it is
>
>> because of the Muslim brotherhood? Who said it is because the
> western
>
>> media is
>
>> saying this and that? See how your sudden jump on this won’t
> yield a
>
>> progressive debate if I want to engage you in those
> “unsubstantiated”
>
>> labels
>
>> you are trying to burry yourself in. If I may equally ask: Show me
> your
>
>> objectivity
>
>> in the lines that you typed above, because I neither mentioned his
>
>> association
>
>> with the Muslim brotherhood nor did I talk about the Western
> media’s take
>
>> on
>
>> him. Maybe go back over my few lines and come back so we can continue
> on
>
>> this
>
>> debate.
>
>>
>
>> Thanks for
>
>> your input nonetheless Kejau and here is the debate as far as I am
>
>> concerned…You are
>
>> stating that people should deal with the real issues yet failed to
> realize
>
>> that
>
>> something must have happened that triggered citizens of Egypt to take
> to
>
>> the
>
>> streets. The real issues are what citizens of that country must have
> seen
>
>> to
>
>> take to T-Square. The history of what we seen from these so-called
>
>> liberators don’t
>
>> impress us so far. What we have seen is pariahs who falsely
> uniform
>
>> themselves
>
>> in name of liberating the masses and as soon as they step at the
> door,
>
>> they
>
>> play around the constitution little by little to achieve their
> much
>
>> desired aim
>
>> of ruling with an iron fist.
>
>>
>
>> If I may poke
>
>> your mind, what is the reason that Egyptians took to the streets
> Kejau?
>
>>
>
>>
> http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/24/world/meast/egypt-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
>
>>
>
>> [President Mohamed Morsy on Thursday announced
>
>> that courts could not overturn any decree or law he has issued
> since
>
>> taking
>
>> office in June and, beyond that, in the six months until a new
>
>> constitution is
>
>> finalized, his spokesman said on state-run TV.]
>
>>
>
>> ["It's unprecedented, it's unimaginable,
>
>> it's more (power) than Mr. Mubarak ever had," Mohamed ElBaradei,
> a Nobel
>
>> laureate and head of Egypt's Constitution Party, told CNN. "This
> is the
>
>> language of a dictator."]
>
>>
>
>> Just before I leave you for the weekend, I
>
>> thought you can add few lines on the below topic as time permits;
> The
>
>> brutality
>
>> of the African Army.
>
>>
>
>> http://kibaaro.com/?p=4588
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Best regards,
>
>>
>
>> Yero
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:42:08 -0600
>
>>
>
>
From: [log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution
>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Kejau:
>
>>
>
>> I am missing where you are trying to get to.
>
>>
>
>> You said, "That is so lame." Please explain what you are
> refering to as
>
>> lame.
>
>>
>
>> Further you said, "...you are supposed to be
> objective..."
>
>>
>
>> Kejau----please explain because I am truly not getting what you
> are
>
>> refering to as objective or not.
>
>>
>
>> Best,
>
>> Yero
>
>>
>
>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:27:33 +0100
>
>>
>
>
From: [log in to unmask]
>
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution
>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>> Yero,
>
>> That is so very lame. Just because the western media
>
>> labels Morsi as a dictator, he must be one?
>
>> As journalists, you are
>
>> supposed to be objective and get to the bottom of things before
> jumping on
>
>> the band
>
>> wagon.
>
>> Thanks,
>
>> Kejau
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>>> Minister Suntou: Thanks for your input. Not so soon about
> missing
>
>> the
>
>>
>
>>> debate. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck from the far
> and
>
>> near,
>
>>
>
>>> there is no question about it being a duck Suntou. While we are
> on
>
>> this
>
>>
>
>>> one; wondering what your thoughts are on the following:
>
>>
>
>>>
>
>>
> http://www.maafanta.com/SidiaBayoTheNationalTransitionalCouncilOfTheGambiaNTCG.html
>
>>
>
>>> [POST JAMMEH
>
>>
>
>>> REGIME:
>
>>
>
>>> Once it
>
>>
>
>>> achieves its goal of removing Yahya Jammeh’s regime; the
> NTCG
>
>> will become
>
>>
>
>>> a
>
>>
>
>>> transitional government, which will only last for 2 years]
> Best
>
>>
>
>>> regards,Yero
>
>>
>
>>> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:16:47 +0000
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
From: [log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution
>
>>
>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> The question is, what powers has the President amass? If
> he
>
>> doesn't have
>
>>
>
>>>> Veto powers, where would the buck stops. I think to be too
>
>> simplistic in
>
>>
>
>>>> issues like this is missing the debate. The military
> dominates
>
>> and for
>
>>
>
>>>> that to end, someone must be above them. I think people
> are
>
>> overeacting
>
>>
>
>>>> too soon without examining the underlying reason. Suntou
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> On 23 Nov 2012, at 22:43, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>>
>
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>>> > Really?Just days after Morsi brokered ceasefire between
> the
>
>> Isrealites
>
>>
>
>>>> and Hamas,came the anouncement that he will change the
>
>>
>
>>>> constitution.The new constitution will give the president
> more
>
>>
>
>>>> powers.Why did he need more powers for? My question and
> the
>
>> question
>
>>
>
>>>> most people will ask is has the Arab Spring been effective?
> Is
>
>> Egypt
>
>>
>
>>>> going back to the Hosni Mubarak era? There is no question
> that
>
>> such a
>
>>
>
>>>> move on the part of President Morsi is major blow to the
> concept
>
>> of
>
>>
>
>>>> the Arab Spring.Now let see how critical the West will be by
> such
>
>> a
>
>>
>
>>>> move.Right now Morsi has the West on his side.He has cut a
>
>> deal
>
>>
>
>>>> between Isreal and Hamas that resulted into a ceasefire.
>
>>
>
>>>> > Remember the saying "the devil you is better than
> the
>
>> devil you dont
>
>>
>
>>>> know"? Stay tune.
>
>>
>
>>>> > hous
>
>>
>
>>>> >
>
>>
>
>>>> >
>
>>
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