Kejau, I am not sure you want to really argue the discipline of the U.S Army as an organization compare to any african nation armed forces. I don't think that the U.S. Army is more discipline than any African army, in fact I know they are. You are right Soldiers are a product of our civilian populace that are trained, disciplined and commit themselves to causes greater than them. Every basic trainee is broken down and remold through the process of making them Soldiers. This by no means completely change a person, the key word here is completely change. Brother, there is a reason why the human mind cannot be legislated. Among any bunch of people there are good, bad, evil and kind. No one can or should judge an organization by the actions of a few. The only place many are judge by a few is in statistics (random sampling) and even then certain rules apply. The structure of the U.S. forces as an organization cannot be compared to any other force in the world. I will be standing by for you argument on that point. United States Army as an organization struggled with some individual Soldiers being bugged down by battle fatigue and reasons known to only them for selfish acts. These go back to and beyond the My Lai massacre in vietnam killing about 200 men, women and children by LT Calley as well as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in Iraq to some other scandals in Afghanistan. These are some of the extremes of Soldier misconduct but in all instances these Soldiers face charges and were prosecuted for the crimes they commit, may be a case of justice delayed but it is justice served. Not even in the least of these crimes is it justified for any Soldier to engage in such heinous crimes and the punishments I believe does not scratch the surface of the crimes committed. Look at how many conflicts the U.S. Army has been in, for how long and the great accomplishments compare to the cases you are talking about. These cases don't happen often contrary to what you believe but the sad fact is that they do happen which is inexcusable by any measure I won't even give you any case of Soldier misconduct in just Gambia alone that went unpunished, but I know you have stories of those for days to tell. Fact is, our generation has changed and so is a lot of things we know, do and believe. There is a severe lack of discipline in African armies. Don't take that to mean the extreme case of indiscipline, look at the basic things. This is what made the U.S. army successful, we focus on the basics. It will be had to succeed in anything unless you master the basics first. The best example of this is learning to write. No one can ever construct a sentence unless you master the alphabets. The kind of training required and the amount of sacrifice required of a U.S. Soldier cannot be achieved without a whole lot of discipline on individual Soldiers. You may need to do more research on this line; "African armed forces boosts of more graduates than any other armed forces now as is the case with more civilian African graduates than the western counter parts". I don't know where you get your information from but I know you don't even believe that. I will take that as you trying to make conversation. lets not even mention the non-commisioned officer corps and the warrant officer corps of the U.S. army, take into account that all commissioned officers will not be commissioned/promoted to captain without a bachelors degree, and most field grade officers hold a masters degree. Majority of the general officers are doctorate degree holders. This force is a force requires the best out of all Soldiers. Only the brightest make it to the top brother and key to that is education. Our promotion and selection system is the best in the world until you get to general officers which is all politics. I will welcome your argument on that as well. Your conclusion on discipline and effectiveness is your views, I think you are putting too much emphasis on the word but my believe is that we as people cannot succeed in anything we do without discipline. Basic example; most people graduated high school particularly in the Gambia because, they worked hard, study while other children are having fun doing other things. Spend countless hours preparing for exams while sacrificing personal times. This is all done through discipline unless you believe other wise. Khaleel Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:01:38 +0100 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution To: [log in to unmask] Ya Khalell, Interesting write up, but what make you think the US Armed Forces is better discipline than any African Army. I mean what yardstick did you use, the number of prisoners and civilians abused in Iraq, Afghanistan, Japan, etc. Apart from the coup plots, US forces have far more cases of ill discipline than any African armed force, even that of present Gambia. You see armed forces are derived from the civil populace and generally the same discipline is carried into the armed forces. Recently, the US sergeant major allegedly summarily executed civilians in Afghanistan and those kind of incident happen very often in the western armed forces than any African army especially dictatorship. African armed forces boosts of more graduates than any other armed forces now as is the case with more civilian African graduates than the western counter parts, so I do not know what planet you live that makes you think we are inferior to the US Armed forces. That is why my take that discipline and effective, only influencing factors on each other are not directly correlated. Thanks, Kejau > > Yero,I think the correlations between African armies and harassing > civilians can be greatly attributed to lack of discipline and > understanding of their purpose of existence. I believe that discipline and > effectiveness cannot be separated in any profession particularly within > the armed forces. You cannot effectively run any organization without > establishing and enforcing discipline. This 9-letter word is much over > used and less understood. The reason why the United States army has > significant success is largely because of the discipline of its Soldiers. > This is not to say that every Soldier in the United States Army is > completely discipline in all aspects but there are established guidelines > under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), which set the > conditions for a discipline force.I mention earlier about understanding > purpose, though the U.S. Army has reputable requirements to join its Army, > each Soldier is required mainly to understand their assigned weapon and be > able to employ it, be physically fit but most importantly each Soldier > have a Military Occupation Specialty (MOS) which is their occupation > within the Army. These varies from engineers, mechanics, cooks, combat > arms etc……. I think this helps with productivity by utilizing the forces > to not only attempt to sustain themselves but also to assist when needed > while saving money doing some jobs that they are trained to do instead of > hiring extra help. On average a U.S Soldier will go to a school before > every promotion especially senior ranks. These schools are designed to > teach anything from leadership, discipline and other related lessons as > deem necessary. A lot of effort is put into training but most importantly > discipline. My favorite story on discipline and understanding purpose is > the duke of wellington and the young plough boy.There is a serious lack of > discipline, commitment and pride in many African Soldiers. I am mostly > troubled by the level of education, training and understanding the purpose > of the armed forces in Africa. The word army is utterly associated with > strength, built and power of an individual vise the organization in which > one serves. You have to be this stocky build guy to be a Soldier, never > about what you know. Their officer corps is reserved strictly for fairly > educated people with a high school diploma. This coupled with lack of > experience is the reason we can’t produce military leaders that can employ > critical thinking, make decisions that will benefit their organizations > for generations. There is also a problem that senior commanders don’t have > the latitude to make key decisions.Another aspect is advancement and > promotions within the ranks. As Kejau mentioned earlier, promotions are > not in accordance with selecting the right person for the right job base > on qualifications. In any organization, if you do not promote and advance > employees base on performance, knowledge and experience, you will have > your thinking done by fools an your work by people who do not care but > only collect checks.I believe that if the armies are properly aligned, > educated, provided for and given a specialty other than infantry they > would produce better results for our nations. I think the same way Jammeh > utilized the Soldiers to work in his farm, the Gambia National Army (GNA) > should consider buying farmlands and utilize Soldiers annually to produce > most of the rice and other foodstuff they consume. This will occupy them > and improve productivity while cutting the cost of our military budget. > This can be done in areas of construction; carpentry and many other areas > especially since we can’t even foresee war on the Gambian land. I also > think that the GNA should draw down its forces, revamp their requirements > for new recruits, review their budget and streamline their service > packages.Most African leaders are misguided when it comes to armed forces. > The misconception of stockpiling of arms to defend their failed regimes at > the detriment of our development and safety. Take a country like Gambia, > all those weapons and armored vehicles are solely a show of force to help > the president defend his absolute power against possible attempts to > change his regime. Those same weapons were used to terrorize the people, > massacre our elite citizens and students. Weapons that more often serve us > ill than good in within our borders.Military service anywhere in the world > is attributed to love of country and the willingness to sacrifice for that > nation. It is about defending the people at any cost, it is about > selflessness and the discipline required to know what’s right and execute > it even when no one is watching. It is about commitment, respect for > rules, regulations and policies understanding that wearing the uniform > does not put you above the law rather the law requires a lot out of you > based on your service to that nation which is solely your choice.I will > leave you with this; an American Soldier cannot drink or visit certain > establishments before he/she turns 21 but an American Soldier will, is > prepared to and have died in the defense of his/her nation under the age > of 21 paying the ultimate sacrifice.KhaleelDate: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:24:58 > -0600 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution > To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > Kejau: > > > > I made the > comment in reference to your military background; a position of lieutenant > in > Gambian standard must have been a great achievement in the military before > Jammeh. Recent promotions by jammeh are thoughtfully just "shameful" > as they are strictly base on loyalty to jammeh than merit. I regret that I > never joined the military myself. Three years ago, I had to make a tough > choice > between joining the US military and another opportunity. I ended up > defaulting > to the other opportunity. I have a lot of admiration to those that > sincerely > served. > > > > That said, > actually nah! I wasn't trying to tell you that all you can participate in > is > the topic on the military, so you and I can debate about other topics. In > fact, > it is out of respect that I ask you to add your lines. > > > > Kejau: I am > simply a shepherd. That is my expertise. I am endeavoring to add other > things > to my plate. When I grow up, I would like to be a scientist. During my > leisure > times I enjoy debating online despite being one of the busiest you can > find > around. Years ago, I met with Town crier and he inspired me. As I checked > to > see all about his life, I realized town crier with all his noise was a > worthy > person because he makes noise about happenings that affects the daily > lives of > individuals especially the oppressed. Town crier needed my help and I > promised > him ‘till death do us part.’ > > > > On Africa's > military, I am disappointed most of the times. I wholly share the views > expressed by DA Jawo. I witnessed certain episodes in the Gambia where > some of > the military did blunders and showed no respect at all to civilians. It is > very > common to see uniformed men directing insults, beating and kicking > civilians. In a recent interview with former lieutenant > Binneh s. Minteh now adjunct professor, he believes that more disciplinary > courses should be added to some of these military courses. > > > > Most of > these coups and counter coups owe themselves to indiscipline even though > we > cannot dispute a part coming from corrupt Governments and leaders. The > part > where Africa’s military like some of these elements dealt with students at > the > beaches, interschool’s sports, April 10th/11th, etc…just > shows the level of indiscipline that Minteh thinks can be arrested with > inclusion of more disciplinary courses in the military curriculum. > > > > > Most > recently, we were stocked with Dadis; forget about the Yaya for one bit. > What > the trends shows is that even though Gambia’s military take training from > advanced places like Turkey, we are still way behind. The trend also shows > likelihood > that such problem of coups will continue as every small bird admires the > bigger > bird getting the fat worms. > > > > > Back at > you, is it possible to continually keep the military at the barracks? Is > it > possible to get the military to a standard where they won’t bully > civilians? > > > > Thanks for > the debate and here I reproduce DA’s whole piece as carried by Kibaaro > news. It > is open for debate. Feel free to weigh in on any forward and that is goal. > I > will promise to discuss on the Muslim brotherhood next time. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Yero > > > > > > > > [A > prominent Gambian journalist has said that African armies have proven to > be > bullies of local populations rather defending the territorial integrity of > their respective countries. > > > > “African armies are just good at one > thing, which is to constantly intimidate and harass the local population,” > writes Demba Ali Jawo on his Facebook page. > > > “We have seen it happen in almost > all African countries, with the soldiers subjecting the unarmed civilians > to > all sorts of harassment for no justifiable reasons. Yet, when it comes to > defending the territorial integrity of the country, they just abandon > their > arms and run away.” > > > Mr. Jawo believes that “until > African armies and other security outfits begin to treat the civil > population > with respect and dignity, they will never in turn get the respect and > adoration > that they deserve from the people, and as such, their morale and aptitude > to > fight will continue to be low.” > > > He said what is going on in eastern > Democratic Republic of Congo is yet another shameful enigma of African > armies > because “it is hard to imagine how a rag-tag rebel army could so easily > over-run Goma, capital of North Kivu from the government army and the > so-called > UN peacekeepers, hardly meeting any resistance. Of course, when the rebel > says > that they are on their way to Kinshasa, then no one should deny it.” > > > Such a scenario, he added, has once > again “clearly demonstrated the weakness of African armies.” He said > African > armies on the surface appear “brave and capable of defending their > countries > against any foreign threats” when most of them in reality are nothing but > a > “bunch of cowards ready to flee at the slightest sensing of danger.” > > > Jawo said such a weakness recently > happened in Mali where the army overthrew the government on the pretext > that it > was not doing enough to equip them fight against the Toureg rebels, but > only to > run helter-skelter when the rebels approached and within a week of them > [rebels] taking over the country, forcing them to abandon the entire north > to > the very rebels. > > > “We have also seen what is going on > in northern Kenya where a group of lightly armed herdsmen recently wiped > out an > entire company of heavily armed Kenyan troops, only for the army to turn > their > anger on the civilian population, beating and even killing some in > retaliation,” Jawo observed.] > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:10:18 +0100 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution > To: [log in to unmask] > > Yero, > I was not calling you lame but your take on the > issue. Military in Africa is my expertise, eh. Very interesting, but what > is yours expertise then. No pun intended, but what makes you think that is > my expertise and nothing else, I take it that means I should stick to that > and only that and not talk about other issues. > Well as we ask in the > military is that a request or an order, as some in African military > mayfind it very arrogant especially after calling me immature. Apologies, > but I am saying "let me hear your take on Africa's > military being that it is your expertise." can be arrogant in > some quarter especially in my "expertise", i.e. in the African > military. Just kidding though, so will give you my take when and if I can > find time. > Kind > regards, > Kejau > >> > >> Kejau: I am not sure you want to pursue on this lame and lazy line > >> eventhough I don't expect you to apologize. All I am pointing to is > that > >> you can debate without calling me any name like lame. We have too > much > >> humor on these debates added to the fact of taking points that I > won't > >> call any genuine person lame. To start to call anyone a name, you > risked > >> being called a worst name and not even an ant will tremble from it. > I > >> clearly see that not only as immature but defeats the purpose of > debating > >> here. Anyway, I won't push hard on that point. let us debate still > and > >> clearly no heart feeling. Good job on talking about the courts and > that is > >> my expectation. If you dig well, you will notice, most of my forwards > are > >> to provoke debates which is the reason why we have these forums. > Those > >> open to dialogue can participate with their ideas on some matters > that > >> appeal to them. If something doesn't appeal to you, let it pass. > There is > >> no need to raise blood pressure on some of these leaders like Morsi. > I > >> share Sidia Jatta's views on the Arab spring. You and I have our > problems > >> in the Gambia. Some of these leaders you will agree failed. When > jammeh > >> came to power, (you as a former Military, Lt. title) attest to the > fact of > >> some of these shameful toad-metamorphosis, baby stages in toads. > "You > >> could have just forwarded the CNN report and let the readers read > for > >> themselves rather than take their side and their story and then > without > >> adding any of your own observations critically." Kejau. Kejau: > Don't fail > >> to realize that I am equally a reader and entitled to the same basic > right > >> you want to accord to other readers. Kejau, in America, there is > >> somnething we call 'democracy of the people, by the people and for > the > >> people.' A single person uniformed in the presidency shouldn't decide > for > >> all. These duck movements and baby steps heads no where but > dictatorial. > >> Thanks for input on this one, let me hear your take on Africa's > military > >> being that it is your expertise. Best regards,Yero > >> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:58:12 +0100 > >> > > From: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new > constitution > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> > >> Yero, You wrote "My take is that you wrote that > >> if it If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck from the far > >> and near, there is no question about it being a duck > >> Suntou". Now that is lame and lazy of you in my > >> books. In the same vein, you are pointing at what CNN reported > >> without critically analyzing the issue being reported. You could have > just > >> forwarded the CNN report and let the readers read for themselves > rather > >> than take their side and their story and then without adding any of > your > >> own observations critically. You see the CNN reports failed to > >> report that there are demonstration for and against these moves. > The > >> courts, all which were appointed by Mubarak are frustrating all > efforts to > >> govern. They dissolved parliament and want to assume the full role of > law > >> making as well as interpretation. The president, the only elected > office > >> should be the law maker in lieu of the parliament, and the fight for > power > >> ensues. Instead of three arms of government, there are two arms > thanks to > >> the courts and now who assumes law making, which cannot be left in > >> vacuum...If they do not want the president assuming legislative > >> powers, they should let the constitution come into effect asap as > well as > >> the legislature. Kejau > > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Kejau: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I hope you > >> > >>> clearly make distinctions between discussions and throwing > >> > >>> “unsubstantiated accusations” > >> > >>> as you are trying to label it. As far as I am concerned, the > later is > >> far > >> > >>> from > >> > >>> it. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> If you call > >> > >>> my points lame, wonder what I should call your points then. Will > you > >> take > >> > >>> double or triple lame? Instead of engaging in the kind of > pettiness > >> and > >> > >>> “flaming” > >> > >>> of a debate, why not debate your points across. By the way, who > said > >> it is > >> > >>> because of the Muslim brotherhood? Who said it is because the > >> western > >> > >>> media is > >> > >>> saying this and that? See how your sudden jump on this > won’t > >> yield a > >> > >>> progressive debate if I want to engage you in those > >> “unsubstantiated” > >> > >>> labels > >> > >>> you are trying to burry yourself in. If I may equally ask: Show > me > >> your > >> > >>> objectivity > >> > >>> in the lines that you typed above, because I neither mentioned > his > >> > >>> association > >> > >>> with the Muslim brotherhood nor did I talk about the Western > >> media’s take > >> > >>> on > >> > >>> him. Maybe go back over my few lines and come back so we can > continue > >> on > >> > >>> this > >> > >>> debate. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Thanks for > >> > >>> your input nonetheless Kejau and here is the debate as far as I > am > >> > >>> concerned…You are > >> > >>> stating that people should deal with the real issues yet failed > to > >> realize > >> > >>> that > >> > >>> something must have happened that triggered citizens of Egypt to > take > >> to > >> > >>> the > >> > >>> streets. The real issues are what citizens of that country must > have > >> seen > >> > >>> to > >> > >>> take to T-Square. The history of what we seen from these > so-called > >> > >>> liberators don’t > >> > >>> impress us so far. What we have seen is pariahs who falsely > >> uniform > >> > >>> themselves > >> > >>> in name of liberating the masses and as soon as they step at > the > >> door, > >> > >>> they > >> > >>> play around the constitution little by little to achieve their > >> much > >> > >>> desired aim > >> > >>> of ruling with an iron fist. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> If I may poke > >> > >>> your mind, what is the reason that Egyptians took to the > streets > >> Kejau? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/24/world/meast/egypt-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 > >> > >>> > >> > >>> [President Mohamed Morsy on Thursday announced > >> > >>> that courts could not overturn any decree or law he has issued > >> since > >> > >>> taking > >> > >>> office in June and, beyond that, in the six months until a new > >> > >>> constitution is > >> > >>> finalized, his spokesman said on state-run TV.] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> ["It's unprecedented, it's unimaginable, > >> > >>> it's more (power) than Mr. Mubarak ever had," Mohamed > ElBaradei, > >> a Nobel > >> > >>> laureate and head of Egypt's Constitution Party, told CNN. > "This > >> is the > >> > >>> language of a dictator."] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Just before I leave you for the weekend, I > >> > >>> thought you can add few lines on the below topic as time > permits; > >> The > >> > >>> brutality > >> > >>> of the African Army. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> http://kibaaro.com/?p=4588 > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Best regards, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Yero > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:42:08 -0600 > >> > >>> > >> > >> > > From: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> Subject: [G_L] FW: [G_L] President Morsi writes new > constitution > >> > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Kejau: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I am missing where you are trying to get to. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> You said, "That is so lame." Please explain what you > are > >> refering to as > >> > >>> lame. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Further you said, "...you are supposed to be > >> objective..." > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Kejau----please explain because I am truly not getting what > you > >> are > >> > >>> refering to as objective or not. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Best, > >> > >>> Yero > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:27:33 +0100 > >> > >>> > >> > >> > > From: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> Subject: Re: [G_L] President Morsi writes new constitution > >> > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Yero, > >> > >>> That is so very lame. Just because the western media > >> > >>> labels Morsi as a dictator, he must be one? > >> > >>> As journalists, you are > >> > >>> supposed to be objective and get to the bottom of things > before > >> jumping on > >> > >>> the band > >> > >>> wagon. > >> > >>> Thanks, > >> > >>> Kejau > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> Minister Suntou: Thanks for your input. Not so soon about > >> missing > >> > >>> the > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> debate. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck from the > far > >> and > >> > >>> near, > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> there is no question about it being a duck Suntou. While we > are > >> on > >> > >>> this > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> one; wondering what your thoughts are on the following: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > http://www.maafanta.com/SidiaBayoTheNationalTransitionalCouncilOfTheGambiaNTCG.html > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> [POST JAMMEH > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> REGIME: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> Once it > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> achieves its goal of removing Yahya Jammeh’s regime; > the > >> NTCG > >> > >>> will become > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> a > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> transitional government, which will only last for 2 years] > >> Best > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> regards,Yero > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:16:47 +0000 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > > From: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] President Morsi writes new > constitution > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> To: [log in to unmask] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> The question is, what powers has the President amass? > If > >> he > >> > >>> doesn't have > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> Veto powers, where would the buck stops. I think to be > too > >> > >>> simplistic in > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> issues like this is missing the debate. The military > >> dominates > >> > >>> and for > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> that to end, someone must be above them. I think > people > >> are > >> > >>> overeacting > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> too soon without examining the underlying reason. > Suntou > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> On 23 Nov 2012, at 22:43, [log in to unmask] wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > Really?Just days after Morsi brokered ceasefire > between > >> the > >> > >>> Isrealites > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> and Hamas,came the anouncement that he will change the > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> constitution.The new constitution will give the > president > >> more > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> powers.Why did he need more powers for? My question > and > >> the > >> > >>> question > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> most people will ask is has the Arab Spring been > effective? > >> Is > >> > >>> Egypt > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> going back to the Hosni Mubarak era? There is no > question > >> that > >> > >>> such a > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> move on the part of President Morsi is major blow to > the > >> concept > >> > >>> of > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> the Arab Spring.Now let see how critical the West will be > by > >> such > >> > >>> a > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> move.Right now Morsi has the West on his side.He has cut > a > >> > >>> deal > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> between Isreal and Hamas that resulted into a > ceasefire. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > Remember the saying "the devil you is better > than > >> the > >> > >>> devil you dont > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> know"? 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