And another thing: Did Hon. Mai dissociate the GMC from the G-10 'Letter' before this clueless outcry from diasporans or did he do it after???? If the latter, do we take that to mean GMC ascended to the G-10 'Letter' for the intervening day or two? Why did Hon. Mai not cry foul for signature and endorsement when the Letter first came out??? These are some of the issues with running an internet political party. I would be careful before I form any G with GMC again. And people please read the so-called G-10 letter again will you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Haruna. I don't even know who wrote it and I'm here to tell you it is genius. I must be insane too hangh??? -----Original Message----- From: Haruna <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2012 2:12 am Subject: Re: [G_L] GMC Dissociates itself from the Statement of the Group 6!! Hi Demba. You're making this too hard. [-----Original Message----- From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2012 1:02 am Subject: Re: [G_L] GMC Dissociates itself from the Statement of the Group 6!! The G-6 was formed after the Presidential elections and shortly before the parliamentary elections. If you recall, it was the G6 who called for electoral reform and postponement of the paliamentary elections. They collectively decided to boycott the elections - Except for Hamat Bah whose party decided to contest the parliamentary elections...] Demba. Very good Demba, I thought this was what the G-6 quip was referencing. Nice, so I have a couple questions: 1. Was the G-6 a voluntary organization and did it have any documents of Association? How did they become known as the G-6 in other words. This could perhaps explain why Hon. Hamat withdrew from a non-binding Association and it could also explain why Hon. Mai so nonchalantly dissociated himself from this phantom G-6. 2. If Hon Hamat withdrew from G-6 since then, why did it still retain the G-6 name????????? 3. And was it really SIX?? (NRP, UDP, PDOIS, nadd, GMC, ppp)????? 4. Did it cease to exist during the election because NRP and GPDP joined PDOIS and GMC joined UDP?? I can't remember what ppp did again. 5. If it temporarily dissolved during the election, did it reconstitute after the election and when and how???? 6. If it reconstituted after the election or if it had always been there but incognito, when GPDP became part of the G-6, why was it not called G-7 then????? Or did GPDP replace ppp cos I don't hear much from Hon. OJ anymore???? Demba these questions are very significant because they will explain how Hon. Mai can all of a sudden dissociate GMC from a G-6, G-7, or G-8 press statement if indeed GMC had been part of G-6 all along. What does it tell you about a man who would bail on you in the thick of battle????????????????? [The question Cousin Haruna is not about forming or who is part of the Group.] Demba. Don't tell me what the question is not. Tell that to Hon. Mai. He brought up the fact that GMC was a founding member of G-6 in order to convey that as such GMC was not consulted on the press statement or was denied signature or endorsement of the press release before it was published. Of the many press releases Hon. Mai issued, did he afford his partners in G-6 either signature or endorsement prior to publication or did he even share copies with them? This is about the character of a partner who would bail on you when he senses the fight getting tough. Someone had told me this before and I refused to accept it until I was given reason to. Hon. Mai gave me the reason and it was not even a good reason because he did not the so-called G-6 Letter, whoever wrote it. It was genius. [The question is given the public outcry that GMC and its leadership have engaged on since the executions, one would think that they would be consulted before the statement was issues or at least they would have made their position clear...] Demba. INDEED Demba, especially when GMC was a founding member of the G-6!!!!!!!!!! Now here's what I want you to do. You see the article I shared with you from Kibaaro.com, you know the date was 8/24 right? Right. So I want you to comb through all your favorite papers including Gainako and share with us Hon. Mai's public outcries after 8/24 to date. If you are mnot able to find one, try speaking to diplomats and ask them what Hon. Mai had shared with them as press statement either as Hon. Mai or on the behalf of GMC. COME BACK HERE AND INFORM US. Public outcry my arse I'll be waiting. [You see The facts here is that there is no genuine constitutional rule in Gambia - Most of the group of 6 believes otherwise..] Demba. Demba you know who you're speaking to don't you? Its Haruna. When you say most of the G-6 do not believe this self-evident truth, give me just 4 of the G-6. Please. [There is no independent justice system or impatiality of the courts in Gambia - Most of the G6 don't believe it because they go to court] Demba. Wait a minute Demba. Only Ousainou is the lawyer in the G-6 and Mai is not in country. So if you equate representing your client (for whom you are the only hope of avoiding the gallows) in court to mean you believe in the independence and impartiality of the Gambia courts, it may be 1 out of G-6, and that's not a majority. What do you think? Or do you mean the Bar Association members are also members of G-6???? [President Jammeh doesn't listen to them or give them audience - they don't believe it thus they will not be writing endless letters to him without even getting a single response...] Demba. Slow down a little bit. You haven't told us who the THEY is that you're talking about Demba. I know it feels good when words roll off your tongue but you're speaking with Haruna. Nothing gets by me you know. So who's the they you're talking about? I just might agree with you if you tell us who the they is you're talking about here. [There is no House of Parliament but a rubber stamping ill educated reps who are only there to receive salaries - G6 don't seems to believe that the House don't have the independence and credibility to pass worthy laws...] Demba. So Demba, unless you're telling us that the G-6 are all insane (in which case it was insane of you to reprimand them for writing the letter in the first place) and whoever told you people it was a letter to Yahya is taking you for a very long ride. Cos you now have to deal with yours truly. And limousine is private. Not a one passenger gets in. So first you think the G-6 is writing a letter to Yahya or the National Assembly, then you say they are insane for not recognizing what they live everyday, and now you're saying they actually had a majority in the NA from the last elections and they don't know it. You're som'n else Demba. Don't you see that if they are insane as you imply here, we should not reprimand them for writing a letter to Yahya. We ought to be glad they're not going around killing Gambians!!! Writing a mere letter to Yahya gets you in so much clueless soup. [At a time when the International community and the Gambia Diaspora outrightly condemned Jammeh for sumarily executing prisoners, the G6 or G whatever are constitutionally trying to justify the executions by referencin the constitution.] Demba. I said this English language is not easy. That was an understatement. So Demba forget I said that for a moment. Now do me a fovor: Canvas all the international reactions and you will find that almost all of them say this "For Jammeh to halt FURTHER executions". Most of them also tell you they have not confirmed the executions but assuming it is true, they are saying 9 EXECUTIONS are enough. That Jammeh should not kill any more than 9. Now compare that to the so called G-10 Letter to Yahya which says that they could not confirm any execution but that even ONE execution is ONE TOO MANY. Now you can go ahead and remember that I said the English language was not easy. And don't take my word for it, go ahead and read all the international condemnations. Now you tell me this: If the G-10 and the International community cannot confirm that the 9 were indeed executed, how in tha hell can the friggin diaspora confirm it??????????????????/ The whole idea of the international community hedge, the G-10 'Letter', and the diaspora outrage IS TO FIRST CONFIRM THE EXECUTIONS DEMBA. I know you didn't think that because your sole aim is to kill or remove the lunatic from office. That is why I encouraged you to relax a bit and reflect a bit further. We the diasporans do not need to be at loggerheads with the G-10 on the ground in Gambia. This is because even if Yahya leaves, it is the G-10 that will be tasked with governing GAMBIA. EVEN IF THEY ARE INSANE. So you better learn to accomodate the insane. Diasporans are no saner you know. You'll figure that out after Yahya leaves. But leave he must. Not by Demba and Diaspora calendar, but by G-10 and resident Gambian calendar. [That is the issue here and as far as many Gambians are concern the Group of ? have lost every credibility and moral leadership just like Jammeh. That is the position of many sober minded Gambians.] Demba. Right. I refer you to "A comedy of errors". The comprehensive insane Asylum. [Thanks and Good night..] Demba Thank you Demba. I'll be here in the morrow. Haruna. On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > GMC is a founder member of The Group of 6 opposition Parties (otherwise > known as G6 - Hon. Fatty. > > > > I wonder what GMC helped found if it was a founding member of G-6?????????? > What is G-6? Do they have any > > documents of Association - IF VOLUNTARY? What are the terms of engagement in > this voluntary framework? > > I am reminded the UN is a voluntary framework also. > > We shall remain engaged within this voluntary framework, working with our > colleagues in the > opposition - Hon. Fatty. > > > > Working with colleagues in the opposition to do what???? I don't remember > this G-6 being formed before the murder > > so foul as my friend Saul is wont to quip!! If it is not formed prior to the > outrage against the murders so foul, then it > > would appear to be adhoc. > > > > We have participated at all G6 sessions - Hon. Fatty. > > and we intend to continue to do so in the future. - Hon. Fatty. To do > what?????? > > > > We have no intention of withdrawing > from G6 unless circumstances require a review of the > > relevance of our continuing membership in the Group. - Hon. Fatty. > > > > I wonder if GMC was expressly invited to join this VOLUNTARY ORGANIZATION or > is it that the GMC expressed its > > interest in participating in G-6?? > > If such a need emerged, we shall not hesitate to act and make our views > public. - Hon. Fatty. > > I would hope that Hon. Fatty informs the G-6 when the need emerges to > withdraw from the voluntary G-6 > as opposed to run to the press first!! There is generally some protocol for > conduct when political parties > come together for any purpose. This attitude of fair-weather opportunism > portends ominous yield for GMC. > I'm a bit disappointed in GMC. > > On the issue of the recent letter meant for the authorities on the > death penalty circulating online, GMC wishes to make it known crystal > clear that as much as we remain part of the G6 and ready to continue > to work on common issues, we do not subscribe to the contents of the > said letter. It does not carry our signature or endorsement. We have > no part to do with it. - Hon. Fatty. > > Is it the protocol of the G-6 that all voluntary members must sign and or > endorse all work-product of G-6?? > Did GMC participate in the yielding of that position and GMC only disagrees > with the publication of the G-6 > Letter?? But shared the exact same position publicly elsewhere?? > > GMC had expressed its views publicly in the media and during > consultations with diplomatic representatives of the international > community on both the death penalty and the executions. We do not see > the logic of writing to the National Assembly or Yaya Jammeh again > on > this issue. - Hon. Fatty. > > > > The keyword is again. > > This estrangement letter is really unnecessary. Especially after a few > voices, who do not understand it, railing against it. > > I'm tired. > Haruna. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Haruna <[log in to unmask]> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 11:42 pm > Subject: Re: [G_L] GMC Dissociates itself from the Statement of the Group > 6!! > > I suppose we should call it the GROUP of 5 now Demba: G-5. Until another > member of the G-5 bails then we call it G-4 until we get to G-1. I'm > beginning to think that the newspaper that first published the letter coined > that G-6 title. I would be surprised if the purveyor of the letter him or > herslf called it the G-6 position. > > If GMC had played no part in the content or formulation of the letter, to > include them in any G-6 was misleading de-minimis. Or is it that GMC > regretted the part it played in the letter (content and drafting) on account > of the tempestuous loudmouths' reaction to it. It is worth investigating. I > am perfectly satisfied with the letter as an initial step. I do not know > what GMC saw in it that warrants their dissociation from it after the fact. > > This English language is not easy!!!!! > > Haruna. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2012 11:18 pm > Subject: [G_L] GMC Dissociates itself from the Statement of the Group 6!! > > GMC DISSOCIATES ITSELF FROM G6 LETTER TO THE AUTHORITIES > > > Let me express that GMC is a founder member of The Group of 6 > opposition Parties (otherwise known as G6). We shall remain engaged > within this voluntary framework, working with our colleagues in the > opposition. We have participated at all G6 sessions, and we intend to > continue to do so in the future. We have no intention of withdrawing > from G6 unless circumstances require a review of the relevance of our > continuing membership in the Group. If such a need emerged, we shall > not hesitate to act and make our views public. > > On the issue of the recent letter meant for the authorities on the > death penalty circulating online, GMC wishes to make it known crystal > clear that as much as we remain part of the G6 and ready to continue > to work on common issues, we do not subscribe to the contents of the > said letter. It does not carry our signature or endorsement. We have > no part to do with it. > > GMC had expressed its views publicly in the media and during > consultations with diplomatic representatives of the international > community on both the death penalty and the executions. We do not see > the logic of writing to the National Assembly or Yaya Jammeh again on > this issue. We view it as the victim engaging or seeking help from his > wicked tormentor. The letter does not bear our mark, and G6 does not > speak for GMC in this instance. GMC will not engage the regime on the > death penalty. Our contention is that the death penalty had legally > expired by effluxion of time fifteen years ago, and what happened on > the 27th of August 2012 was murder most foul. We shall continue to > work with Gambians at home and around the world, the international > community and the coalition of the willing in legitimately > accelerating the end of the brutal regime in Banjul, and subjecting it > to international justice. > > Mai Ahmad Fatty > > GMC Leader > -- > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web > interface > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the > List Management, please send an e-mail to: > [log in to unmask] > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ -- "Be the change you want to see in the World" ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interfaceat: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-lTo contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:[log in to unmask]¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤