Suntou,
 
I think we are all drifting from the bigger and most important picture... This is how we get ourselves confused and instead resort to the cheapest thing to do - blaming others for our own failures...
 
My question has been all along why did we reduce this coalition issue to between PDOIS and UDP and or Halifa and Darboe?
 
If we have done our job right, we wouldn't be crying over one person or another refusing or dragging their feet for a coalition that is likely to achieve nothing anyway except an embarrassment.
 
The most unproductive and unhealthy lines that comes out of these discussions is labeling each other as we "UDP and they are PDOIS". We should all be embarrassed to parade on this lines because neither UDP or PDOIS can do jack in our current situation. So we should be taking the middle ground as many of us have attempted to do but often gets dragged back to the same backward partisan argument.
 
Realistic Gambians want to move beyond party lines and craft a real solution to these deadlock. Us against them can only spell doom for all of us!!!!

Demba
 
 
 
 
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:34 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Musa
If Halifa is not willing to lead, there will be no waste of time with Agenda 2011. That document was all a clear open show of intent in Halifa's part to be considered. If he isn't interested in becoming the third President of the Gambia, NADD wouldn't have fallen apart.
So let us stop misconstruing what is clear as a daylight. Halifa want to become the President of the Gambia. In principle, that is his right. In Coalition terms, we say he lacks the popularity and appeal to gain mass votes, this is why, he should accept first the majority part doctrine. His refusal to acknowledge, and accept that has driven him to invent every possible idea just to pretend that, some how, the Gorilla is stooping him achieving his main aims.
And the UDP if you Musa will accept reality have accommodated Halifa's ambitions, but when clear dishonesty manifested, we pulled out. And again, the same postures is seen playing out.
Halifa was in radio freedom saying 'He will not consider himself for contesting this election or neither will PDOIS', few days later, a Central committee press statement'. what is what?
Again, if we approach PDOIS and Sedia said, they are not interested in talking but that, UDP should go and sell Agenda 2011, what does that mean our strategist Musa?
Who did Halifa consult before coming out with the Agenda. If indeed he is not interested in becoming the President, he would have consulted all the opposition leaders, discuss with them his intention to write something with their contribution and then it can be delivered at a conference or some sort of meeting. But what did he do?
And did you even understand the themes of Agenda 2011 Musa?
The paper actually does not pay any attention to the existing opposition figures, it went on to say, any Gambian can sell his idea and then contest primaries with whoever agree with it.
Now, do you think that is something giving due regards to those Halifa new are solidly recognised has the opposition parties of the Gambia? And why didn't he consider talking with others like we did.
If you guys means, we should twist the hands of other opposition leaders, that is out of the topic. All we did is what other major opposition parties did, that invite the leaders for talk. We held talks with others, and they say, they want to do it by themselves. Therefore, we will continue to consider all option to open an avenue for talks.
But we are not under any elution that, somehow certain individuals will accept the reality on the ground or say it when it matters.
Suntou

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Bamba:

 

I am sure it will be a waste of my time trying to convince you that I am not holding the bag for PDOIS or Halifa for that matter, but someone who wants to see a coalition. You are absolutely right about one thing: all the politicians are in it because they want to lead or to become president, but more importantly there is really nothing wrong with wanting to lead. In fact, all of us are better off with someone who is really ambitious and wanting to lead. Now, to answer your question, Halifa has never told me that he does not want to lead the coalition or he wants to lead a coalition either. But, base on what is out there, whether someting that we can glean from the agenda 2011, or listening to all of his interviews, I have never heard him imply or infer that leading this effort is even part of the deal. Instead, he believe this decision should come from the Gambian people. On the other hand, the UDP wants to lead this effort and personally I would like to see that happen with the support of all the opposition parties. But, I have also come to understand that in the absence of a road map from the party and the person who wants to lead, it will be very difficult to bring people on board.

 

Also, I am not calling UDP lazy people, but  rather surfacing some of the things people are saying, especially when they cannot understand why the UDP will not step on the plate and lead. Brother Bamba, let me give you my commitment that if the leader of the UDP come out and articulate his version of a coalition agenda, how this will give us victory and how this coaltion framework will govern, a whole lots of people will support such a movement. Gambians are waiting for a leader to lead who has a chance of going toe to toe against Jammeh. Calling or labelling anyone who wants to challenge UDP as a PDOIS supporter is neither here nor there, my only obsession is a way to make this happen.

 

Musa Jeng

From: "Bamba sering Manka Mass" <[log in to unmask]>

Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:55:16 PM

Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper

Musa jeng
How did you know Halifa was not interested in leading the coalition? Did he told you that? You sometimes sound to exactly like when Yahya Jammeh was parrading himself as the innocent prological son who would only stand when htere is a public outcry for him to do while underground no stone is left unturned to to see just that being done.We in the UK are not being impossible but being frank as men and we hope every body would be so bold as to accept just that. There is no politician who doesnot want leadership. So please drop that notion that Halifa doesnot want to lead a coalition. Ask your self what is the purpose of PDOIS if its leadership doesnot want to lead? If they want to lead the entire Gambia but are not interested in leading a coalition then thats is a real sick idea. One is trying to fool the other here. There is no one who want leadership more than Halifa Ousainou, Hamat, OJ ect. All of them want to lead.
 
OJ had come out saying he is willing to cercrifice but neither has Halifa or Ousainou or Hamat. Therefore Mr. Jeng retract that notion we are natured men and women talking no one can fool the other here. We in the UDP have asked you to meet so as to iron out how we intend to lead  and we discuss and come to terms with our ideas and coupled with that of what PDOIS / PPP/ NRP may want in a UDP led coalition, then we can both collectively come before the Gambian people.
Time is running out and we don't want to do things in haste like how NADD was tried hastly round everyone and as thousands suffercated and tried free themselves, thats why no one wants to talk about NADD anymore. Sincerity wasn't there.
 
Now Dr Jeng  UDP executive comprices of dedicated Gambians who cercrificed all for the Gambia. If you call UDP executive  full of lazy people hiding behind the facade of stubornness, WELL YOU ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION OF THEM. but yoy not UDP so you cannot know what each executive do on daily basis.
 
But I vouch that most Gambians know the members of the UDP executive. How about PDOIS your party who are your executive? Halifa, Sedia, Sam, swaibou (in the media field) and my dear madam? Who else you or my brother Coach Pa Samba Jaw, Malick Kah or who? I think people need to know members of the executive of your Party. Come on and tell us!

king

 
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:06:05 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper
To: [log in to unmask]

There you guys go again, What is with our cousins in the UK for just making things up. I have never heard Halifa Sallah talkinga bout to be considered for being the coalition . leader, and no other leader is fighting for the leadership. All everyone is asking is: please let us know how you would want to lead us and where are you going to take us. Now, if you are unable to tell the entire country how you would like to lead us, please do not blame us for being cautious and skeptical. There is a dog whistle among the people that maybe the UDP entity does not really ahve the capacity to roll out such a document, and that the executive is full of lazy people hiding behind the facade of stubornness.  Now for me, I know of some smart guys on this side of the Atlantic that have what it takes to craft such a document, whether the folks back home are willing to back it up is another matter. Frankly, this is very easy, just tell us how you would like to frame a coalition of opposition parties that can deliver in November, and how you would restore or bring democracy, rule of law and economic development to the Gambia......
 
Thank you



From: "suntou touray" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:35:04 PM
Subject: Re: [G_L] [>-<] Mathew K on Coalition and the Point Newspaper


If PDOIS can do any better why is that, they are not in the position of the UDP? If we are the Gorilla at the door, can you explain what premise that on?
The truth remains, which is, If less a popular person will go to heaven and back just to somehow use the base of the majority to become the third President, do you want UDP to scold him and force him to commit to the reality of UDP being the obvious choice to led an opposition Coalition?
You tell us how to make PDOIS realise that, politics is about votes. The one can can pull them is the natural party to be allow the mantle to lead. Whether we are the Scorpion, Gorilla, Elephant is beside the issue.
Why should Halifa even consider himself to lead the opposition Coalition knowing full well that, his presume intellectual capabilities have never achieve him or translated into votes in the Presidential domain or even the national assembly contest.
WHo then is the Dumpling in the path to salvation?
The Guinean minor party leaders never waste anybodies time with their interest in leading. They know it is outrageous and against all conventional wisdom. But do we expect a polarise community like ours here to acknowledge this facts without dancing around the camp fire? Nop.
Therefore, we have made all contacts with every single party. We made our position clear to them, and we will continue to do that. However, if we are seen as the Elephant in the way, we will politely rubbish that, as baseless wanton excuse, because if any has the right to the jungle delicacy, the Elephant shouldn't be the last.
We boldly say, let PDOIS stop time wasting, creating unnecessary road block and complex unworkable line of communication.
Suntou

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Laye Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Rene:

It is obvious and to arduous chagrin of the UDPlings, if PDOIS were in UDP's position as the opposition party with a larger voter base, We would've been where we wanted at this point in time. Again, UDP bombed the leadership test in 2006 and now. They have proven to be the thousand pound gorilla at the door - no one can get though and they are not getting through to a united front. Unfortunate, and I hope they come through and prove me wrong, I sincerely hope so.

Thank you,

-Laye

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