So only journalists cannot be politicians or own media houses? What job do you do, Suntoukung. Can they be politicians or journalists? 

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On 7 Jul 2011, at 21:37, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Demba,

The West, East, South, and North journalist cannot afford to be biased while at the same time expecting the due-deference reserved for unbiased journalists.

Suntou is not saying the west can afford to be biased while you cannot. Why would you want to afford to be biased and call yourself a journalist anyway???????

Whether Peter Oborne is a born-again conservative using a platform to purvey his ideology or not is immaterial as far as your understanding of what he is sharing is concerned. The question you should ask is: Is Peter a journalist or not? When you determine that, then you can read him appropriately. And when Peter commits a crime, then you accord him the appropriate consideration.

There's no value trying to convince Suntou that you should be allowed to be partisan and biased in your work as a journalist or leading a journalist's fraternity. You can be partisan and biased without Suntou's convincing. Really it is not even necessary.

Haruna.

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From: Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]>
To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [G_L] Demba: The Media Trouble in England..from an expert

Mboge,

 

I think we shouldn't waste our time on trying to convince Suntou on this issue... he has no clue what he is talking about and his examples of Peter Oborne a born again conservative using his platform to spread his ideology is a clear example of his confusion on this subject..

 

Suntou cannot differentiate between individual opinions and neutrality/fairness expected of a media platform. Event media platforms are created for a purpose sometimes to promote an idea... fox news!!! He continues to highlight that the West can afford to be bias and we can't... he said when we get there we can afford to be bias too... phew!!!! this explains why he throws the sort of questions about Ndey Tapha and just being all over the place...

 

I think my brother suntou better stick to his field of expertise and really try to understand subjects before he exposes himself more on his narrow view of issues... am sure he meant well! Op. Laye is listening!!!! I better stop there.....

Demba 

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:15 AM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Mboge, i know but at least he bite the bullet. Regards, suntou

On 7/7/11, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Suntou,
>
> Interesting article.  Peter Oborne, well i say hmmmmmmmmmmmm to him.  Oborne
> is the most right wing, ultra conservative, bias journalist one can ever
> read.  I use to follow his write-ups in the Daily Mail and Spectator.  Hope
> he is practicing what he is preaching.  There is no neutral
> journalism.  Neutral journalism is a  facade.
>
> Mboge
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>  When I said, the media must be seen to be fair and balance, some jumped
>> at me with all sorts of offside remarks. The Problem is, the West which
>> can
>> today move on smoothly with bias and fraudulent editors have long
>> realised, when the boundary between Newspaper owners, Editors, and
>> columnist
>> got blurred, readers became divided and politicians start to fear the
>> Newspaper editor than the electorate. It is a fact that, some people will
>> only read the Sun, Some only the Mirror etc etc. And lobby groups also
>> dictates to editors and columnist what not to write or how to dribble with
>> certain facts.
>> Peter Oborne's commentary is evident that, our news media should watch
>> out.
>>
>> Suntou
>>
>>

>> Blogs Home <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/> »
>> News<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/>»
>> Politics <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/category/politics/> » *Peter
>> Oborne <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/peteroborne/>*
>>    Peter Oborne <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/peteroborne/>

>> Peter
>> Oborne is the Daily Telegraph's chief political commentator.

>>  <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/peteroborne/>

>>  David Cameron is in the sewer because of his News International friends
>>

>> By Peter Oborne <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/peteroborne/>
>> Politics <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/category/politics/> Last

>> updated: July 6th, 2011
>>
>> 780

>> Comments<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100095686/david-cameron-is-in-the-sewer-because-of-his-news-international-friends/#disqus_thread>
>> Comment
>> on this
>> article<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100095686/david-cameron-is-in-the-sewer-because-of-his-news-international-friends/#dPostComment>

>>  [image: With friends like these... David Cameron’s judgment is under
>> question (Photo: Dafydd Jones)]
>>
>> With friends like these... David Cameron’s judgment is under question
>> (Photo: Dafydd Jones)
>>
>> In the careers of all prime ministers there comes a turning point. He or
>> she makes a fatal mistake from which there is no ultimate recovery. With
>> Tony Blair it was the Iraq war and the failure to find weapons of mass
>> destruction. With John Major it was Black Wednesday and sterling’s
>> eviction
>> from the Exchange Rate Mechanism. With Harold Wilson, the pound’s
>> devaluation in 1967 wrecked his reputation.
>>
>> Each time the pattern is strikingly similar. Before, there is a new leader
>> with dynamism, integrity and carrying the faith of the nation. Afterwards,
>> the prime minister can stagger on for years, but as increasingly damaged
>> goods: never is it glad, confident morning again.
>>
>> David Cameron, who has returned from Afghanistan as a profoundly damaged
>> figure, now faces exactly such a crisis. The series of disgusting
>> revelations concerning his friends and associates from Rupert Murdoch’s
>> News
>> International has permanently and irrevocably damaged his reputation.
>>
>> Until now it has been easy to argue that Mr Cameron was properly grounded
>> with a decent set of values. Unfortunately, it is impossible to make that
>> assertion any longer. He has made not one, but a long succession of
>> chronic
>> personal misjudgments.
>>
>> He should never have employed Andy Coulson, the News of the World editor,
>> as his director of communications. He should never have cultivated Rupert
>> Murdoch. And – the worst mistake of all – he should never have allowed
>> himself to become a close friend of Rebekah Brooks, the chief executive of
>> the media giant News International, whose departure from that company in
>> shame and disgrace can only be a matter of time.
>>
>> We are talking about a pattern of behaviour here. Indeed, it might be
>> better described as a course of action. Mr Cameron allowed himself to be
>> drawn into a social coterie in which no respectable person, let alone a
>> British prime minister, should be seen dead.
>> [image: Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson: friends of the PM (Photo: BBC)]
>>
>> Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson: friends of the PM (Photo: BBC)
>>
>> It was called the Chipping Norton set, an incestuous collection of louche,
>> affluent, power-hungry and amoral Londoners, located in and around the
>> Prime
>> Minister’s Oxfordshire constituency. Brooks and her husband, the former
>> racing trainer Charlie Brooks, live in a house scarcely a mile from David
>> and Samantha Cameron’s constituency home. The two couples meet frequently,
>> and have continued to do so long after the phone hacking scandal became
>> well
>> known.
>>
>> PR fixer Matthew Freud, married to Mr Murdoch’s daughter Elisabeth, is
>> another member of this Chipping Norton set. When Mr Cameron bumped into
>> Freud at Rebekah Brooks’s wedding two years ago, he and Mr Freud greeted
>> each other with exuberant high-fives to signal their exclusive friendship.
>>
>> The Prime Minister cannot claim in defence that he was naively drawn in to
>> this lethal circle. He was warned – many times. Shortly before the last
>> election he was explicitly told about the company he was keeping. Alan
>> Rusbridger – editor of The Guardian newspaper, which has performed such a
>> wonderful service to public decency by bringing to light the shattering
>> depravity of Mr Murdoch’s newspaper empire – went to meet one of Mr
>> Cameron’s closest advisers shortly before the last election. He briefed
>> this
>> adviser very carefully about Mr Coulson, telling him many troubling pieces
>> of information that could not then be put into the public domain.
>>
>> Mr Rusbridger then went to see Nick Clegg, now the deputy prime minister.
>> So Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg – the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime
>> Minister – knew all about Mr Coulson before last May’s coalition
>> negotiations. And yet they both paid no attention and went on to make him
>> the Downing Street director of communications, an indiscretion that
>> beggars
>> belief.
>>
>> So the Prime Minister is in a mess. To put the matter rather more
>> graphically, he is in a sewer. The question is this: how does he crawl out
>> and salvage at least some of his reputation for decency and good judgment?
>> This is a potentially deadly moment. If the Prime Minister plays his cards
>> wrong, his public image will change in a matter of a few days. From a
>> popular and respected national leader, he will come to be defined by his
>> ill-judged friendship with the Chipping Norton set. This kind of personal
>> degradation has happened before. By the end, Harold Wilson was irreparably
>> damaged by his friendship with dodgy businessmen such as the raincoat
>> manufacturer Lord Kagan. The Macmillan premiership fell apart under the
>> weight of revelation from Lord Astor’s Cliveden set.
>>
>> So what must Mr Cameron do? First, he must speedily turn his back on
>> Rebekah Brooks. The Labour leader Ed Miliband was right yesterday to call
>> on
>> Mrs Brooks to consider her position at News International.
>>
>> At the moment, she is putting up the same defence as Mr Coulson when he
>> was
>> Mr Cameron’s senior aide in Downing Street – that she did not know what
>> was
>> going on. Even if we accept this defence – and there is no strong reason
>> to
>> do so because News International has published many falsehoods in this
>> sordid saga – it still does not work. Mrs Brooks, first as editor of the
>> News of the World and the Sun and now as chief executive of News
>> International, was responsible for setting standards. Those standards, as
>> the world now knows, were foul beyond human credibility and she bears much
>> of the blame.
>>
>> It may well be dangerous for David Cameron to ditch Mrs Brooks. She may
>> have acquired a great deal of information about him and the senior members
>> of his cabinet, both at those quiet Chipping Norton dinners and quite
>> possibly through other, nefarious means. Mrs Brooks is cornered and liable
>> to strike out. But that is a risk the Prime Minister must take.
>>
>> Second, Mr Cameron must account for his actions. We need an explanation of
>> how he came to hire Mr Coulson, what checks were made, what advice was
>> taken. We need a checklist of those not so innocent social meetings with
>> Mrs
>> Brooks. Hitherto, Downing Street has kept quiet about Mr Cameron’s
>> meetings
>> with Rupert Murdoch, thought to be one of the very first visitors he
>> received after being made Prime Minister. They now need to be made public.
>>
>> It is essential this information be placed in the public domain because of
>> the shocking decision made last week by the Coalition government to allow
>> Mr
>> Murdoch to entrench his monopoly power over the British media by
>> purchasing
>> the 61 per cent of the satellite broadcaster BSkyB he does not already
>> own.
>> This decision now stinks, and must be reversed.
>>
>> Yesterday, David Cameron muttered some vague phrases about the possibility
>> of a public inquiry into phone-hacking – showing that he has not woken up
>> to
>> the fact that the world has changed utterly over the past 48 hours. The
>> horrifying revelations that Mr Murdoch’s journalists hacked into the phone
>> of the missing teenager Milly Dowler and even into those of the families
>> of
>> our war dead have opened up a new level of horror about News International
>> illegality.
>>
>> The burning question now is whether the US tycoon Rupert Murdoch – whose
>> journalists have shown such open contempt for ordinary decency – is a fit
>> and proper person to own any British publicly quoted company, and whether
>> it
>> is not time that his media organisation itself should be forcibly broken
>> up.
>>
>>
>> The Prime Minister has allowed himself to be horribly compromised by his
>> connection with News International and its employees. He urgently needs to
>> regain the good sense and basic morality that have made him seem such an
>> attractive prime minister. So he must use this terrible scandal, which has
>> brought such shame on all journalists, as an opportunity to clean up
>> British
>> public life. Judging by yesterday, our greatly diminished Prime Minister
>> shows no real appetite to do so.
>>
>> *Tags:* andy coulson

>> <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/andy-coulson/>,
>> Chipping Norton <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/chipping-norton/>,
>> David
>> Cameron <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/david-cameron/>, Downing
>> Street <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/downing-street/>, Harold
>> Wilson <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/harold-wilson/>,
>> iraq<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/iraq/>,
>> John Major <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/john-major/>, news
>> international <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/news-international/>,
>> News of the
>> World<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/news-of-the-world/>,
>> Nick Clegg <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/nick-clegg/>,
>> Parliament<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/parliament/>,
>> privacy <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/privacy/>, Rebeka
>> Brooks<http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/rebeka-brooks/>,
>> Rupert Murdoch <http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tag/rupert-murdoch/>
>>
>>
>> --

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