Joe
With the greatest respect, I am more concern about the big picture.
I never thought my positing was meant to disarm you. My
posting was a call for truce but if you do not consider
it necessary then you are more than welcome to go ahead. One thing
to note is that we are all losers in this episode
As regards to the point about your brother, I have always known him
as an honorable man. I last saw him in 1988 when PDOIS had one of its
political rally next to the Latrikunda Mosque. Given the
type of man Pa Sambou was, I doubt whether he will make such
bizarre remark about his colleague Halifa. You are right, I made
no mention of him, but the rationale behind this is that
I was very much concern about the BIGGER PICTURE- 10 months
to go and the Silent Majority cannot come to an agreement as to how
Jammeh should be defeated
.
Finally, it was nice to note that you remember the days I used to
hang at your place. It certainly reminds me of good memories which I
will continue to cherish.
From:
Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Opposition
defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is your role? Falaye
in mind To: [log in to unmask] Date: Thursday, 27
January, 2011, 20:14
Joey, I think you know exactly what I am saying and you know me better
than that. For you to come here to pretend that you being Krio
means UDP UK is not demonstrating tribalism is putting your integrity
at stake if it is of any value to you. This has nothing to do
with being personate, and your supposition to that effect is even an
assault to my sensibilities. When Suntou made that stupid comment
about Pa that you knew to be a blatant lie, did you interject?
No, you were mute. In the interest of disclosure,
Sanusi/Joey was a frequent visitor at my home in Gambia and hung with
one of my nephews and knows very well the person Suntou is character
assassinating, yet, he stayed mute, but find it convenient to accord
blame for my response. Nai Lerr rek, that is all I ask of any.
If you cannot tame your associates, please do not come here to
attempt to disarm. I am not in the mood for that.
Joe
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:59:19 +0000 From:
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claiming they are dead.. what is your role? Falaye in mind To:
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Joe
I am only making a call for us to put a stop to this
unnecessay squabbling. I for one will never question your
sincerity in the struggle. Whilst, we belong to different
parties within the opposition, we share a common goal.
Coming to the issues you have raised, I find it really
unfortunate that this is the route we have taken. What I can say
is that people tend to be passionate about their political
affiliation to the point that a mere change of distraction may
be considered tribalist, but this is certainly not the case.
Please note that I am a Krio Boy but this does not stop me from
supporting UDP even it is wrongly perceived as a Mandinga Based
Party.
If I have not clarified myself, then I am more happy to
elaborate further. --- On Thu, 27/1/11, Joe Joe
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From:
Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Opposition
defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is your
role? Falaye in mind To:
[log in to unmask] Date: Thursday, 27 January,
2011, 19:46
Sanusi, I would hope that you will not want folks to walk away
questioning your honesty. With what you have seen thus
far, can you honestly be general in your comments in the face
of what you have read and heard on the airwaves? If you
have difficulty addressing this bunch because you share a
party, I can understand. What I do not understand is you
seeing what all see, but choose to unduly spread blame.
Can you honestly say you do not see the tribalism that
folks are discussing, especially, in light of what transpired
within the last week of so? I think you know me better
than you want to portray.
Joe
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:34:55 +0000 From:
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those claiming they are dead.. what is your role? Falaye in
mind To: [log in to unmask]
Kejaw
If this is the way we behave whilst in opposition
then surely the people are right to vote for Jammeh
until he reaches 100 years. The current situation in the
Gambia calls for a sincere and mature discourse, but off
late, I am absolutely disappointed with the route these
guys have undertaken.
The battle will not be won by trading insults among
each other. It requires a honest analysis of the current
predicament facing our motherland.
Respect to all you, lets stay united for a genuine
course
Alsaamaday
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Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re:
Opposition defection and those claiming they are
dead.. what is your role? Falaye in mind To:
[log in to unmask] Date: Thursday, 27
January, 2011, 19:24
Come on guys! You all seem to be missing the points!
One of them being how do we transcend our apparently
inherent differences and forge alliances. What are we
all missing guys, why can we never unite and organise
as a struggle? How comes we are always fighting
amongst ourselves everyday? How can we forget the
giant of tasks before us in trying to restore
democracy and rule of law in our country?
Kejau :-(
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:12:06 +0000 From:
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defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is
your role? Falaye in mind To:
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Come on Suntou! You are a tribal and religious
bigot and you have good company with you and please
save me from your hypocrisy of being sorry.
Sorry my foot! You must elaborate on what
you know about Mr. Sambou for your readership.
If he were alive, I will leave him to fend for
himself. However, since he is not here to defend
himself, I will speak for him, leaving nothing as
sacred. Also, please do not make a boldface lie
here. You do not know Mr. Sambou, but the lie
you were fed that is why you could not elaborate.
I am also going beyond the contours of your lie
to address the tribal nature of your pac. This
is why I sometimes seriously ponder whether if per
chance Yaya was a Mandingo, whether your gang will
have an issue with him, murders and all.
Suntou, you folks are sick. Everything is about
tribe. Your Gang fought the STGDP for years and
labeled it biased against the UDP/Ousainou, called
Kebba and Musa tribalists against Mandingoes, but no
sooner did we have Banka as the Chairman did you folks
have a Jambadong all over this place congratulating
the STGDP. What you did not realize is you never
bothered to know who Banka is and what he stands for.
You have since realized that Banka's vision for
Gambia and our struggle is not in league with your
tribal sickness. It is also interesting that
with Hamat's separation, you are now embarked on
cleaning house and ready to cannibalize on
non-Mandingoes within the diaspora UDP chapters.
Folks are aware what what went on within the UDP
with Sahou Mballow. I bring these anecdotes up
to show folks you all's track record. At a time
when Gambians are supposed to address our murderer in
Yaya, you jackasses are here waging a war hinged on
sickness. All you are demonstrating to Gambians
is that you folks are not fit to lead any. You
are doing a darn good job convincing Gambians that you
have nothing to offer them. The sad thing is
your sickness is so deep that you do not bother to be
subtle about it. What do we see here daily, the
same crop to prowl here, rabid and sick to spread your
tribal disease.
I feel the pain of many Mandingoes that do not
share your neurosis but are put in a funny position
because of an accident in the tribe they happen share
with you. To those folks, I am here to assure
you that no Gambian with an ounce of sense will
devalue your contributions in our struggle and we know
where your heart lies. You are also not
responsible for the sickness demonstrated by this
bunch no more than I am responsible for the murderer
in Yaya. The only way Gambians can get rid of
our murderer is to transcend tribalism. To Yaya,
every Gambian is just an opportunity or victim for him
to stay on and he will cannibalize on the Jola, just
as he will do the Mandingo, Wolof, Fula, Ndjago,
Serer, Narr, etc. to achieve his end. Suntou,
you folks are a disgrace to the challenges of our
people.
Joe
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:49:36 +0000 From:
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defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is
your role? Falaye in mind To:
[log in to unmask]Mr Sambou Sorry
if my statement that, his 'Christian' name bothered
you. In England such is use to identify
people's first name. The nurse at Dentist clinic
nurse never fail to ask me my Christian name Joe. But
then, Joe is glad to shift that as some religious
issue. Go on, Mr Sambou formerly of PDOIS, did
you know him? Didn't it occur to you that, I may have
forgotten his first name? I am not bothered about your
agitations Joe. If you are the vanguard for the
Sambou's that is ok. A couple of people have emailed
me his first name but to enjoy your rant, I will
continue to leave it out. The late Mr Sambou was a
happy APRC member. May his soul rest in
peace. Suntou
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Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]
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Suntou, thanks for your response and I am glad
you are man enough to add more details. It is
interesting that you provided a first name for Darbo
and Jones, but chose to use Mr. for Sambou.
Please, stop the cover and exclude your Darbo
from this discussion. I know you lot better.
Also, your world view is wrapped around
religious and tribal demagoguery, thus, your
hallucination will drive you to see "My
Christianity". Suntou, I do not just hear a
crackle and conclude the sky is falling. Thus,
I sought your clarification.
Now, the Mr. Sambou you referenced is my elder
brother and not my uncle (so much for knowing a
person), and I know you do not know his name because
you actually do not know the man outside what you
were fed. His name is Louis Sambou, but
commonly called Pa Sambou. Now, please do not
let any stone unturned, for you must tell your
readership what you know about "Mr. Sambou", no
matter how ugly, in the interest of truth in
discussion. Anything less will be fraudulent
on your part, especially as you float around here,
beard and all, as the most holy and Allah loving.
The good thing here is there are countless
here that know the same person you are trying to
character assassinate and they can vouch for you.
Yes, he was not only with PDOIS, but he was
with the Voice of the Future and taught hundreds of
adults to read and write at night, free of charge
dating back to the early 70s. I will also help
you with a time line as you gather your dirt.
Mr. Sambou died in March 1999 and Yaya came to
power on July 22, 1994.
"This Mr Sambou commented of Halifa dietery
habits, his love of yogurt was name among brother
Sallah delicacy. Isn't that enough clues Uncle Joe.
May his soul rest in peace. Ameen."
Suntou, if you want to say something to Halifa,
just say it. You do not have to manufacture
lies here. How can you in good conscience
stand here and tell this lie just because you can?
What do you know about Mr. Sambou's separation
from PDOIS and how do you equate it with Rambo's
separation from the UDP? While at it , please
educate your readership on the nature of Mr.
Sambou's separation from PDOIS. That would
enhance your credibility as you tell your
story.
Suntou, you have an internal demon that is
killing you. Just to provide cover for Rambo's
defection, you will throw around all kinds of filth.
Just look at you folks. For anyone that
doubted your tribal tendencies, they will have no
recourse but to acknowledge your tribal neurosis.
I figured out you folks a long time ago, thus,
I alerted Gambians to your ways and now you are at
full trottle. Waedy, Gis Mba Dega Borkucha!
The moment Musa Jeng said what you all wanted
to hear, he is your darling, but at a flit you will
not spare the kitchen sink to cannibalize him at the
slightest hint he say a word you do not like about
Darbo. This is sickness folks. I
careless who joins Yaya for we have passed the
conversation regarding a coalition and Gambians are
looking ahead of 2011. The more you folks
fight against any on a tribal basis, the more you
show your cancer. You are like a pac of rabid dogs.
How come everyone that responds with you all
happen to be Mandingo? Who is among the UDP UK
or USA that is vocal among the UDP that is
non-Mandingo? Not a sole. How likely is
it that as tribally diverse as Gambian society is,
that all of you that come to howl here about the UDP
are all Mandingoes? You all want a discussion,
we will have a discussion. It appears that you
folks are loosing your heads and the group neurosis
you have displayed and continue to display gave
Gambians pause as to who they are dealing with.
I will ignore you bunch until you throw your
filth my way. So yes, we are going to have a
discussion and we will not leave stone
unturned.
Joe
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:11:35 +0000
From:
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rel=nofollow
target=_blank> [log in to unmask]Yanks This
is hilarious. I never thought the omission one
Sambou clan will cause Uncle Joe to jack his chin
for the Christian name, is Joe the watchdog of every
Sambou family name. I may have exaggerated Joe
knowledge of Gambian politics, if not he of all
people should have known which Mr Sambou cross
carpet to APRC from PDOIS with David Jones who once
contested as a candidate for Banjul. Wasn't that Mr
Sambou among the early founding members of PDOIS? I
want Joe to ably connect the dots. Sorry for the
agony, no one brought your queries to my attention
it seems. This Mr Sambou commented of Halifa
dietery habits, his love of yogurt was name among
brother Sallah delicacy. Isn't that enough clues
Uncle Joe. May his soul rest in peace.
Ameen. Suntou
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Yanks Darboe
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Joe
Old pa why are you asking that question
when you bloody well know the answer to that
question.
Its one of your cousins, don't let me spell
his name for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nemesis
Yanks
To: [log in to unmask]
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this is a second attempt to seek clarification as
to the Mr. Sambou you referenced below.
Thanks
Joe
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RE: Opposition defection and those claiming they
are dead.. what is your role? Falaye in
mind Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:47:59
-0600 Suntou, someone alerted me to your
mail regarding your reference to a Mr. Sambou as a
bad apple. Since my last name is Sambou, I
was just wondering the Mr. Sambou you are
referring to (his first name). "Sulayman
Darboe, Mr Sambou and some others are perfect
examples of bad apples who can't stand the
heat." Thanks Joe
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:55:14 +0000 From: [log in to unmask]
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Badou
A week is a long time in politics and talking
about unity, Falaye is aware of things happening
under his nose, hence zip it on that. We have
enough weekly Tele conference with every
serious UDP member in Diaspora every Saturday for
two to three hours.
Whoever have a serious issue to discuss, the
platform is there adequately. However, you don't
have to claim you are PDOIS or APRC. I understand
some can sit tightly on the fence and wish for a
level playing field devoid of harassment, human
rights abuses, equal access to TV, Radio and a
free press etc without being part of any political
group. This is possible and I know brothers who
are working toward such goal. I have attended
demos with some of this folks.
However, you cannot curtail any discussion
here or any where in the cyber space. Referring to
Rambo's conduct can include all those who did what
he just copy. His predecessors are many and there
will be others. It is the reality of
dictatorship.
This is prevalent in Sudan, Algeria, Syria,
The South Americas and Africa. Even in Europe
people cross carpet, however, for those, they do
it with good intentions, not knowingly join a
criminal organisation that at best operate a
shadow government.
Sulayman Darboe, Mr Sambou and some others
are perfect examples of bad apples who can't stand
the heat. Falaye on the hand is destructive and
countering the efforts of his so-call party. If he
is not satisfy with the party's choice of
candidate, doesn't he know what he should have
done? Genuine Democrat who oppose Obama during the
primaries rally round him after his
selection. You try to work out things inside your
camp. Do I think that, you will find any
problem with his double standard misninforation, I
don't think so.
There is no need to create a false myriad.
Falaye should air his grievances directly to
the UDP executives, UDP able youth
leaders, MPs, Yayai Compins, etc. He may influence
things through that.
I careless what you have to say about the
UDP. I have no problem with the criticism of those
who are not calling themselves UDP members. But
you don't build a house and slowly start setting
fire to it. I have listened to Falaye on a couple
of occasion, sometimes I thought Pa doesn't have
any other independent voice to speak with about
the UDP instead of the duo who are seriously
disconnected with current affairs of the party.
No wonder Sedia and Halifa said, we "youths
in Diaspora know nothing about the situations on
the ground." Their assertions that, we criticise
them without lending any form of support is true.
Obama raises his campaign funds from ordinary
people and donors. Who is donating to counter the
Yahya Jammeh free bank? How many Gambians will
decline a D50,000 when offered on political
grounds? Come on, who will? Let alone when the
amount is in hundreds of thousand.
Now, we in the opposition don't have any such
money, but we can at least fuel our vehicles,
visit supporters country wide, attend their
ceremonies, talk to them. This is the slow process
that can counter Yahya. Gambians are not militant
in a serious way. Calling for mass demonstration
is a far fetch idea. Let us speak with the
opposition leaders, encourage them to visit
voters, donate to PDOIS, UDP, NRP. The easy blame
game is only absolving us of involvement, yet when
folks who spend their own resources, sacrifice it
all for change commence to be corrupt we renew
another line of attack.
Gambians can't have their cake and eat.
Ghana, Nigeria have companies now that can do
the Europe-America political donations, we don't.
South African has businesses that donate heavily
to political parties, we don't. The few
individual donations are not enough to counter
Jammeh's long hands. We all see him shamelessly
handing raw cash on TV. Is this kind of
politics new? Hell no. PPP big wigs use to do it,
Jammeh took it to a higher level, with maximum
exposure. Then it use to be bags of rice, few
hundreds.
Let us continue blaming the opposition, it
will bring miracles. Yes, they need to be reminded
of the urgency we are all facing. But what is your
part in it. You don't even have to back any
opposition by name, just scramble for votes for
them in your own way. The military are enjoying
for now. Can we depend on them to rid us of Yahya,
it is a wait and see. How of them do we have with
us in Diaspora and how many have we ever heard
making plans to do the revolution for us? God is
our saving grace, He is always with us, and him
Him let us depend and do our quorter. Thanks
Suntou
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Banura Samba
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Suntou,
I think you need some background information
before jumping into conclusion that I am a PDOIS
supporter. I have no idea what you talking
about. I think you are talking out of
paranoia and confirmation bias.Talking about
Sulayman Darboe's defection to APRC is not the
issue here, we talking about Rambo. I think we
should be looking for solutions to avoid future
defections of our party militants than picking
bones with other people. I think you need
to do your home work very well before
jumping into slippery conclusions who belongs to
UDP or PDOIS. From your statement below I
came to understand that you are new in UDP if
not you would have known the immense
contribution Falaye did for the UDP party as a
whole. I think you , as you claimed
yourself as the UDP coordinator in UK
should have engaged yourself with
unification process than dividing people.
As a party or individual aspiring to lead
our nation , you must be ready to be patient,
tolerant, apologetic and above all accommodating
all types of innuendos. Veritably, you are
looking for peoples' support and people are not
looking for your support. Falaye, I know
since the hay days of 1996 is without
qualm a die-heart supporter of UDP. I have
witness this with my eye, as recent as 2009
Falaye have hosted and organized a meeting
for UDP in New york. So what
are you talking about here, brother?
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Subject:
Opposition defection and those claiming they are
dead.. what is your role? Falaye in
mind
Haruna
I thought each of the opposition parties
and the ruling APRC has witness cross carpeters
over the years. Hence Badou is miss informed on
his party's cross carpeted folks. I can
recall Sulayman Darboe, a
young candidate for PDOIS who rented
in our home and then deflected to APRC, One Mr
Sambou who left PDOIS even went on to
reveal Halifa's eating habits.
Rambo with all due respect was chosen as
the youth leader as a gesture to his
suffering and the outward potentials he
demonstrated.
The party was alerted by a good member in
Bakau on Rambo's shortermism agenda. He was
monitored and sidelined. Our Youth leaders have
toured the country twice without him.
He never toured with the youth leaders,
hence we were prepared for his actions.
It is sad to see his short term ambitions
get ahead of his sound reasoning. However, Rambo
whatever compel him to join the slow
killer of sick HIV victims, shall surface
clearly later.
This brings me to the frequent chat on
Freedom radio by a guys call Falaye Baldeh. This
man is calling himself a UDP supporter whilst he
knows he is not. His assume commentator
title on Gambian politics is fair game but
let him be honest and call him what he
is.
Serious supporters of UDP advise the party
through the internal mechanism. Falaye will not
divulge on his marital woes in the open, he will
not relate his short coming in the opening,
why does he think calling himself a UDP
supporter and never hesitating to say rubbish
will do?
If he is so militant, what stops him
traveling to Gambia, mobilising the supporters
and youths and face Jammeh?
What money does the opposition have that
Falaye is talking about? We know who is pushing
him with the pretentious blah blah. Politics
like all human relations goes through ups and
downs, but to hide behind friendly lines whilst
being an enemy is the lowest case of evil
manifestation. He is entitled to his opinion,
but please let him speak as non-UDP supporter,
so that, his criticism will make sense, instead
of taking serious listeners for a fool. He has
left trails and his associate have also
left trails.
When did Falaye extended his hand of
support to the UDP?
When did Falaye wrote or spoke to the
Executives on his worries and suggestions?
If Falaye thinks that our opposition should
invite Jammeh to a street fight, I will expect
him to travel and join in the preparation of
such a move.
The oppositions can do with the support,
encouragement, criticism and presence of
all those calling them dead. What have you
done to enliven the dead oppositions?
What suggestions have you demonstrated to
tackle the dictator with a gun, tank and
foreigners ready to kill for him and escape to
the other side?
Instead of crying Woolf, be constructive,
join the line, fight. How much money did Obama
get and spent to get to the White House? You are
unwilling to act and yet quick to blame. How
much support did Ouattara get financially to
move around Ivory Coast? People were ready to
spend to make them travel. Going on the streets
on Banjul, Serrekunda can make a difference, but
politically, how do you expect the opposition to
fund their campaigns well before elections.
Western Democracies have state funding, yet we
want democracy but not with our direct
involvement. Your advise is as good as your
loyalty and dedication to assist, then you can
blame.
Falaye is pretending on the Freedom radio.
His crocodile tears makes no sense. The UDP
allows, encourage constructive criticism by its
members, channel through the party hierarchy. If
the likes of Falaye are not helping strengthen
the base of the oppositions, that have no access
to the radio, Television, money, and hardly
any editor will publish critical comments about
the regime, what help do such an opposition
require?
Gambia is not the property of any
opposition politician, hence those unhappy are
welcome to form their warrior party and lead
the charge, hopefully, our hunt for martyrs
will happily come to pass. In Tunis, people were
ready to act, they didn't just sit in far places
enjoying the niceties and continue saying
things, they went out. With or without the
opposition, it is a fact that, people can act.
What are Gambians waiting for? You can be
the martyr if you chose, we will happily
inscribe you on our chest. Come out
guys!!!
This is not to say, their are no rooms
for improvement, however, do your quoter as
well. Everyone needs some form of encouragement
in dealing with difficult political climate.
Partisans will obvious be critical of each
other, but members within the same party require
a civilise constructive internal process of
dealing with grievances not the Judaising form
of retributions. What our tongues twist, our
hearts manifest.
Suntou
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