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KJ
I will match your pledge soldier; just bring it on.
I don't know how much you get paid but i know how much i get paid and it's well
enough to cover my living expenses and that of my family happily.
As for my position; you can search for my name on the Law Society website, it will reveal
what i am at DL.
Yanks
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 21:22:24 +0000
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Ndokeh YN,
That was a word missed but totally readable and nothing like what you wrote. Anyway I made my point and congrats on your new appointment. I am not a counsellor and never intend to be one as I probably earn more money than you, but I know law and cannot be hoodwinked.
How much you pledge then, fee earner, as I am sure you are not a solicitor yet? Or do you rather I take the lead and you will match my pledge?
K T Touray
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:52:06 +0000
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KJ
Use your head soldier, remember that's what advised you before, yet you are failing to use your head.
You wish to criticise me; yet you write this:
"I use my head always, counsellor! It is you who thought no one else their head except you". KJ
Tell me what is wrong with this statement my professor. They say if you live in a glass house you should not
throw stones.
In fact i was using my ipod for the last two postings, so save me the criticism of my communication skills.
I do not need to prove my legal luminaries to you, KJ.
I am currently employed by UK's biggest law firm, Duncan Lewis, i think that speaks volumes about my
credentials so you can insinuate anything about how much of a shit lawyer i might be. At the end of the day,
i'm employed as a lawyer not you. I have a right of audience before the courts in the UK not you.
So don't flatter yourself soldier. You will never bring me down with such cheap criticism. I've heard it all before
from your likes, but you know what; you guys don't count as far as i'm concern. In fact you guys know not even half
of what i know about law to question me credentials. Those who know much about law are convince enough about
my credentials that they conferred on me degrees and gave me employment which they are paying me every month.
Coming back to the Legal aid issue; you have rightly stated that Legal aid is never exhausted in an appeal until
that appeal process is exhausted.
However, if only you had been using your head, that's exactly what i have been trying to tell all day, but you don't listen.
I've explained to you that Legal Aid could not be granted in this case, because it had been granted before and exhausted
in Pa Modou's first appeal. Yet you foolishly keep talking about we should grant legal aid again, it's every one's right, etc.
They said if you don't know much about a thing you should ask those who know better.
What we did before was to seek a Judicial Review of the Home Office's certification of Pa Mo's fresh claim and removal
direction.
To help your decade old half law degree head from confusing that point as well; JR is different from an appeal process.
JR is an application for review by the High Court of an administrative body's decision. If you need further help on that issue
just remind me, i will explain it to you further.
With regards to the current case i have explained it to you that the Home Office must have made a mistake in making another
refusal decision.
Legal Aid could not be justified for the case again; because it had already been granted and exhausted on the first appeal; if you
believe in what you stated above then you will agree with me that legal again cannot justified in the same case.
Furthermore, to break issues down for your understanding; i am not seeking funding for this case; Pa Modou is seeking assistance
for his case, through Haruna and other good people. So don't let your animus for me mislead you into thinking that you are assisting
me in this case, instead of Pa Modou.
I am employed in a salary contract with my employers; i get paid every month whether you assist Pa Modou or not in this case.
So use your head soldier; use your head!!!
Yanks
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:40:03 +0000
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YN,
I think I made my point and resting my case. You have devolved powers from LSC? Legal aid is never exhausted until all the appeals processes are exhausted. The rest of your comments, I do not understand and disappointed a legal luminary of your standing writes such language.
I use my head always, counsellor! It is you who thought no one else their head except you. It is either because your firm wanted a lot more than the legal aid or were negligent in applying for legal aid, hence my concern. In any case, I pledge any amount you pledge, YN!
Kejau
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:16:41 +0000
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KJ
You seriously needs help on seeking legal. I don't need to seek legal aid on any I have devolve powers from LSC to grant legal aid at where I work. And l will grant CLR if it's justified.
As I have explained before CLR has already been granted and exhausted in this case.
Use your head soldier.
Yanks
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:06:00 +0000
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YN,
Legal aid is available for civil cases and your arguments are not convincing and there is no need to bother anyone. I may help Pa Modou and hope a lot of other people can help him too, but next time seek legal aid first before seeking funds.
Kejau .
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 18:55:19 +0000
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KJ
I think you are mistaking immigration cases for criminal cases. Immigration falls under civil legal aid funding and it is not true that every one subject to these sort of cases are entitled to legal aid. May be you need to seek further advise from you previous barrister with 10 years experience, about current legal aid funding.
If you do not wish assist Pa Modou case, I suggest you state so than mislead others than want assist his case.
It's quiet incredible that you speak confident about a thing that you have no knowledge of. If your 10 years experience barrister tells you anything different to what I've stated then i will prove to you.
Just to inform you I do legal aid work every day, so I know very well what I'm telling you.
Yanks
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 18:24:25 +0000
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Hi Haruna,
Thanks for adding me to Ellen, but I beg to differ from your assertion that Modou paying for his fees will provide good consideration for the home office. The case is Modou vs. Home Office and it is for the judge to decide and the fact that the Home Office may have solicitors means that Modou is entitle to state assistance if required.
Touray
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:43:15 -0500
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Aye Aye Suntou. The trick is The law centers are part of a Law centers Federation, "They usually only take cases they can win, because their reward is some how tie to the outcome of the case. There are very high quality solicitors in these centres. They hire the dearest of Barristers if the need arises."
So Pa Modou's case may not be as urgent to them as it is to us and Pa Modou. Also in Pa Modou's case someone will end up paying for the cost. Either the state or Pa Modou himself. If Pa Modou shows capacity to pay for his own defense, that helps the Home Office to determine whether if given full Asylum, whether Pa Modou will then become a hapless warden of the state for eternity. All of these are considerations for the Home Office, particularly in this era of budget woes.
Thank you Suntou for the education in the area of UK Law Centers. I think its a great idea when done properly. I hope also there's not a long line of the legally-indigent waiting to be served by the Law Centers. It could make all the difference in the "generousity".
Haruna.
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Subject: Re: Pa Modou's friends in the UK wish me to share this with you good people of Ellen!!!!! Wonderful.
Haruna
I here you. The Chinese will quip that, cheap cheap things is no good, and vice verse but there may be a difference of legal representation between the U.S and U.K. When i said 'legal aided' I mean just what you alluded to. A state subsidised legal representation. There are law firms that are private, value for money who represent clients and then claim the cost from the tax payer. These law firms are now refered to as 'Law centres'
http://www.lawcentres.org.uk/
Law Centres
"Law Centres are not-for-profit legal practices providing free legal advice and representation to disadvantaged people.
There are 56 Law Centres in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, staffed by solicitors and barristers who specialise in areas of civil law including employment, housing, discrimination, welfare benefits, education and immigration.
Law Centres are embedded in their communities and answer to committees of local people. They assist vulnerable people when they suffer injustice, educate people about their rights and tackle local problems.
In doing so, they transform people’s lives, helping them to stay in their homes, keep their families together and get into employment or education. Law Centres are members of the Law Centres Federation."
They usually only take cases they can win, because their reward is some how tie to the outcome of the case. There are very high quality solicitors in these centres. They hire the dearest of Barristers if the need arises. The cost in Pa Modou's legal fees high because of what the solicitor will have to pay the costly Barrister. The solicitor here will get very little.
However, it will be wonderful if we are able to raise his legal cost for him, so that he choose the individual he is more comfortable with.
Let us see how it goes, we should leave other options open should raising the fees takes a longer time than expected. We have many rich brothers here, hopefully, they will cheap in privately, there is Dr Jaiteh, our rich accountants Joe, Saloum, Bambalaye, academic scholar like Dr Alhagie Jeng, Alh. Momodou Camara. So £1500 is raisable. May Allah take care of things through benevolent souls. Good work though, remember the Hare and the tortoise race, easy does it.
Suntou
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Thank you.
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Total raised so far: $201.12
Suntou Touray - 30 Bpounds - Pledged.
Haruna - On behalf of Deyda Hydara, Chief Ebrima Manneh, Kanyibaa Kanyi, Hons. Femi Peters & Koro Ceesay, and Omar Barrow - $50.00 - Received.
Anonymous HRH - on behalf of the late brother Musa Amadou Pembo - $10.00 - Received.
Prince Bubacarr Sankanu - 50 Euros/$66.12 - Received.
Anonymous HRH - $25.00 - Received.
Haruna Darbo - $50.00 - Pledged - Received.
Suntou,
You're a great man. I acknowledge your pledge of 30 pounds.
On the pro-bono representation, I would actually advise against it. Not because I don't want Pa-Modou to benefit from free legal representation, but Today, in law, what you get is what you pay for. It takes quite a bit for good lawyers to do their research, to pay for help from other lawyers on a case, to pay their clerks for the best representation, and to pay Home office filing fees. So unless a lawyer is a millionaire or state subsidized, I'd advise against pro-bono service. The claimant will be the one to suffer in the end. It can actually mean the difference between success and failure. Cases that we think are cut and dry are made inordinately difficult by the Home Office for their budget woes.
The best we can look for is forebearance of part of the fees or more time to pay the entire fee. I do understand your generous spirit Suntou, believe me I do, because Pa-Modou is not allowed to even be gainfully employed as he seeks legal representation. I am very excited for him though because while waits for his case to be considered, Pa Modou is engaged in his community volunteering and accruing value to his community. Such a person is likely to be rewarded by the good graces of total strangers. Even the friggin strangers at the Home Office. I always feel that I know these cats at the Home Office. But they always come up with off-the-wall excuses to avoid doing their fellow man/woman a good turn. Well they can be sure that if they should bear on caution to afford Pa-Modou Asylum, he can only accrue value to the kingdom.
Thank you again Suntou.
Haruna.
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Haruna
Thanks for the remainders on the plight of Pa Modou. I wonder what the new GPU Europe is doing about the plight of their colleague. However, I pledge £30 as well. I'll also try speaking to brothers in the law here if they can take his case pro bono (for free). Charging an individual in such a situation should be the last thing a lawyer or solicitor should do. I am aware that, the flexibility that Yanks use to posses is largely gone due to his new post at the biggest law firm in London. He would have taken the case for free but with his work load and contractual arrangement, it is impossible to bring in outside work.
I have spoken to him about the case, he played a pivotal role in Pa Modou staying, I hope there can be a way to represent Pa Modou for free. One can also explore the legal aided Law societies as well. Raising £1500 will be a tall order the way we operate. Pa Modou is not working, may be doesn't have solid individuals close to home to foot the bill. This is where the spirit of community needs to come out.
Keep up the good work.
Suntou
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Haruna Darbo
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We are approaching D-Day for our friend Pa Modou. I encourage my coleagues and friends here at Ellen to see if they can help improve our position. His legal bill that will be due in a few days is 1,500 pounds. Please Help!!!
Haruna.
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I am in receipt of HRH's gift of $35.00 to Pa Modou's appeal efforts. Please join me in thanking HRH for her generosity and consideration. HRH has gifted many a times before to her fellow citizens in need. It is the mark of a good Samaritan to consider relief for total strangers. Allah/God/DaarManso will be the judge of your reward HRH. Thank you. May Allah consider your honor of our fallen Musa Amadou Pembo.
I encourage our friends and coleagues to give Luwaye-Am
Total raised so far: $151.12
Haruna - On behalf of Deyda Hydara, Chief Ebrima Manneh, Kanyibaa Kanyi, Hons. Femi Peters & Koro Ceesay, and Omar Barrow - $50.00 - Pledged.
Anonymous HRH - on behalf of the late brother Musa Amadou Pembo - $10.00 - Received.
Prince Bubacarr Sankanu - 50 Euros/$66.12 - Received.
Anonymous HRH - $25.00 - Received.
Haruna Darbo - $50.00 - Pledged - Received.
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Subject: Update: Ellen Fundraising for Pa Modou Bojang Relief Fund
We are informed that our friend and coleague Pa Modou Bojang has been accorded an in-country right to appeal the earlier decision on his asylum case. We thank the UK government and courts for this forebearance. This generosity de-escalates Pa Modou's case a bit and affords him the opportunity to escape certain death if he were not accorded this opportunity.
I urge Pa-Modou's lawyers to work doubly hard because a favorable decision is not a foregone conclusion yet. There is now a higher burden of proof placed on them and generally when you have to prove the imminence of death when the person has not been killed yet, the work becomes more difficult. I am hopeful however and I commend the UK government and the Home Office for de-escalating the matter.
Also I received a note from Anonymous HRH that she has completed her pledge and I will effort to retrieve the gift she sent tomorrow. I take this opportunity to update the fund-drive in advance of my receipt of Anonymous HRH's gift to Pa-Modou Bojang.
I encourage our friends and coleagues to give to the fund-drive because the work has just gotten harder even though Pa-Modou was accorded this temporal relief. The appeal will be heard in a couple of weeks. Time is against us.
Haruna.
Total raised so far: $151.12
Anonymous HRH - on behalf of the late brother Musa Amadou Pembo - $10.00 - Received.
Prince Bubacarr Sankanu - 50 Euros/$66.12 - Received.
Anonymous HRH - $25.00 - Received.
Haruna Darbo - $50.00 - Pledged - Received.
Badou de Kaolack,
This is a friendly challenge to you, the businessman. If it is possible for you to contribute any amount to our friend Pa Modou Bojang's relief before the end of October 2010, my uncle in Canada Nurudeen Jabbie agrees to match your contribution dollar for dollar even if he will lose during the currency exchange.
It is only a friendly challenge and if you are unable to meet the challenge at this time, I will understand. Do let me know so I can get another challenger for uncle Nurudeen. We can use the funds. Mr. Bojang's case is getting close to reaching a climax and retiring his legal debt will be one more headache he has to deal with as his fate is being decided by the UK courts.
Thank you in advance BDK.
Haruna.
Anonymous HRH - on behalf of the late brother Musa Amadou Pembo - $10.00 - Pledged.
Prince Bubacarr Sankanu - 50 Euros/$66.12 - Received.
Anonymous HRH - $25.00 - Pledged.
Haruna Darbo - $50.00 - Pledged - Received.
Friends and coleagues,
I come to you once again to join with you in yielding relief for our friend and countryman Pa-Modou Bojang. I take this opportunity to again thank all of you for assisting with The Chief Manneh Family Relief Fund and The Kanyibaa Kanyi Family Relief Fund. Those who have pledged in those fundraisers, but for one reason or the other could not complete their generous pledges are encouraged to complete their gifting to the Pa-Modou Bojang Relief Fund.
We are all by now aware of Pa-Modou's chagrin and angst. Our friend and fellow citizen who worked as a journalist with a UNESCO-sponsored community radio station in Brikama educated and informed Gambians under enormous threat and risk. Government harrassment, threats to his person and property, and NIA arrest and detention, were Pa-modou's experiences as he toiled to elevate the consciences of a destituted people. He did not do it for fame and riches. He did not do it for any future remuneration or fancy. He did it because of his love for broadcasting and his fundamental rights of free expression and speech.
Pa-Modou was able to flee the persecutions in Gambia to the UK. The land of the free spirit. The land of Human Rights and considerate justice. Now Pa-Modou is again under threat. Threat of deportation from the UK back to Gambia. Could a single human being endure such torment and despondency? We are delighted to hear that the UK government has re-considered Pa-Modou's expeditious deportation and we look forward to that government according him full Asylum and relief. All this did not come easily. It came via frantic efforts of Pa-Modou's friends, Amnesty-International-UK, his fellow citizens, distinguished UK citizens, his legal aid advisor, and the law firm of one of his fellow citizens. We are forever indebted to these good samaritans, who helped save a life.
Pa-Modou's friends in the UK have embarked on a fund-raising effort to retire his legal debts. They are reaching out to us for support in this area. Our coleague and fellow citizen Abdoukarim is in touch with Britt and other friends of Pa-Modou in the UK, that we may yield Pa-Modou relief through a synergy of all our efforts.
Thank you for your audience and considerations.
Please send your generous gifts and pledges to:
The Global Democracy Project
For: Pa-Modou Bojang Relief Fund
P.O. Box 775
Lithia Springs, GA 30122
I begin the effort by pledging $50.00 to the effort.
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