Grant,

What translation is this from/ Just curious. <smile>

Thanks much.

Blessings,

Pat Ferguson


At 06:09 PM 10/15/2010, you wrote:
>   luke 14:25. Now, many crowds were journeying along with Him. And 
> having turned around, He said to them, 26 If anyone comes to me and 
> does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and 
> brothers and sisters in the event that they become hindrances to 
> his supreme love for me, yes, moreover also his own life in the 
> same manner, he is not able to be my disciple. 27 And whoever is 
> not taking up and carrying his own cross and coming after me, is 
> not able to be my disciple. 28 For, who is there of you, desiring 
> to build a tower, does not first, having seated himself, compute 
> the expense, whether he has sufficient resources for its 
> completion, 29 lest perchance, having laid the foundation and not 
> being able to complete it entirely, all who examine it with a view 
> to carefully observing its details should begin to be mocking, 30 
> saying, This man began building operations and did not have 
> sufficient resources to complete them entirely? -- Wuest
>
>I think John Schwery pretty well nailed it when he said that it 
>relates to the importance of God having first place in our life and 
>thinking. We tend to associate emotions with the words "love" and 
>"hate". Ask yourself, What is the absence of love? Comparatively 
>speaking, it is hate.
>
>Another concept we read about in the Bible is idolatry. Anything 
>that is more important in our life than God is an idol. That means 
>that we selfishly sacrifice our relationship to God for family, 
>things, personal advantage or men's praise. When we do that are we 
>not hating God in a sense?
>
>Speaking of which, what about the statement in First John 4"20? If 
>anyone says, I am constantly loving God, and is as constantly hating 
>his brother, he is a liar. For the one who is not constantly loving 
>his brother whom he has seen with discernment and at present has 
>within the range of his vision, God whom he has not seen with 
>discernment and at present does not have within the range of his 
>vision he is not able to be loving.
>
>The first passage is speaking of discipleship and the extent of the 
>commitment required, whereas, the second passage is speaking of the 
>reality in practical Christian living. Both relate to one's 
>relationship to God but in different areas. The first asks, How 
>committed are you? The second asks the question, How real is your 
>day-to-day Christian life?
>
>Contrasts are found throughout Scripture. We must recognize them for 
>what they are and interpret them within the context where they are 
>found. In that period of time in the Gospels, most of the crowd did 
>not believe or commit themselves to Jesus (cf John 6:66). Today, we 
>asked the question of those in the crowd, "Will you believe that 
>Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again the third day?" 
>Sad to say, most will not commit themselves to that life saving 
>principle. Consequently, they hate God, even though they may like 
>church and talk about religious things.
>
>Thus, we first have commitment, and then the evidence of reality in 
>the true believer's life.
>
>Listening for His shout!
>
>Grant
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