Bailo, thanks for your response. The opposition parties and their leaders must recognize that Gambians in the diaspora are stakeholders just like them.] Sambo.
Sambo, listen up. Stakeholder implies there is a stake to hold. Now you said you are an accountant, I just hope you're not working for the state of Illinois or the city or chicago or any public trust. You're liable to dip in the Christmas Club pot thinking you're a stakeholder. Consult your professors or your local library to figure out if you have a stake to hold in the opposition parties in Gambia. Then come back here and let us know. If you don comut na tenda go crack na you aed. All up in folk bidness trying to get a nut.
[If they want to have thin skin, then they should not want to lead any.] Sambo.
Why are you worried about what kinda skin they have? Did any of them tell you they want to lead you? Get out of the Big Dinko first before you look for a leader. What arrogance????
[Is it a fact that the leaders have been dragging their feet to even meet? Yes, it is a fact that none can deny.] Sambo.
No this is not fact. And it is none of your business. You begged them to meet and form NADD. They acquiesced. You screwed it up for them by playing charlatan and hookie. They terminated the meeting. Now you say they are dragging their feet. Get a life men.
[Is a it a fact that their is bad blood between some of them? Yes, it is a fact that none can deny.] Sambo.
There could be bad blood between them but only they can make that blood good and when they want to. Is there bad blood between Olfactor and Kukeh or Sambo, Olfactor and Haruna? You bet there is. Those bloods risk becoming rotten. Why don't you attend to your own bad bloods you minstrel?
[Have Gambians both at home and abroad been asking them to form a unit to fight for the liberation of Gambians? Yes, that is a fact.] Sambo.
No. Which Gambians have the locus standi to ask the opposition parties of Gambians to unite????? Please don't tell me the rag-tag band of bandits in STGDPDOIS???? Please.
[Do Gambians have the time and energy to waste on another missed opportunity for the opposition to do what the people they want to lead are asking of them?] Sambo.
Apparently you're the asker. I suppose what you are asking for is not terribly significant to you.
[No we do not.] Sambo.
OK. Go eat shit then.
[If the opposition parties continue to ignore the demands of the people, then guess what, they shall be ignored in return] Sambo.
There he goes again substituting Sambo for People. WHy don't you ignore them then Giuseppe?? Don't comit your crimes in the dark and come barking at the wrong trees by day.
[Bailo, sorry, I prematurely hit the send button. The opposition parties know they cannot stop Jammeh's abuse, individually.] Sambo.
Jammeh's abuse is directed at the opposition parties, your fellow citizens, and foreign citizens residing in Gambia. It will take all these to stop Yahya's abuse.
[They also know that individually they shall be marginalized to infinity.] Sambo.
That is why they have formed political parties just like Yahya has a political party. Yahya does not complete the abuses by himself. Why would he when there are moles like you to be bought?
[So, what is the problem?] Sambo.
YOU.
[It is not only necessary to come together, but the timing is very important. We have seen this set up before, so let us backtrack to 2001. Each one of them kept telling Gambians that they have the numbers when they knew that was just speculation.] Sambo.
It is not necessary to come together to do jack. And how do you know the opposition parties did not have the numbers when they told your behind they did? They will have the numbers again in 2011 to remove Yahya. We don't have time for your lies and tantrums Sambo. Shut the hell up men.
[What happened the day after the elections?] Sambo.
What happened?
[Is that not part of the reason why we are still here complaining about Yaya.] Sambo.
Well what happened? If you have been complaining about Yahya, and you keep complaining about Yahya, is it not time to do something about Yahya? The opposition parties are doing something about him. They don't need an uncouth drunkard like you breathing down their necks.
[One thing we need to get clear on, none is doing any a favor by being a politician.] Sambo.
Exactly. And none is doing any a favor by not being a politician.
[Thus, one can't hide behind a defense of if one is critical, then one should come and form their own this and that.] Sambo.
Its a chainlink defense. You can see right through it. You can also erect your own.
[You want to hold that view, then you have failed as a leader, for any body can say that.] Sambo.
So get a clue. They have failed you as leaders. So go look for a leader or go away.
[The reality is after fifteen years with Yaya and using the same strategies to addresss Yaya's excesses, why would they want folks to continue to listen to the same?] Sambo.
At least they are using a strategy. Where's yours. And don't tell me you want someone to unite. That is not a strategy. That is coat-tailing with your hand out.
[If we do, then they can repeat the same for the next thirty years and they will get the same result and we will still have Yaya to reign over Gambians.] Sambo.
So don't. Ain't nobady puttin a gun to your friggin head to listen to nothing.
[None is denying anyone's contributions, however, as stakeholders,] Sambo.
For the umpteenth time, you are not a stakeholder in nothing.
[Gambians are going to criticize where criticism is due.] Sambo.
No. Gambians know better than that. They are not going to criticise for criticism sakes. Gambians will offer alternative strategies and seek company and countenance from their fellow citizens in the opposition parties. One thing you fail to realize is that opposition parties are an assemblage of Gambians you idiot.
[If the party leaders wish to view that as being used as a punching bag,] Sambo.
What good does it do to punch a party leader's eye out? I suppose you're gonna punch the party executive and supporters too aren't you. And then substitute Sambo for all of them? quel connerie???
[then that is unfortunate.] Sambo.
Very unfortunate indeed.
[That means they really do not understand the level of frustration that Gambians have had with their strategies and turf battles which does nothing but empower Yaya.] Sambo.
You are not equal to Gambians. Hell we don't even know if you're a Gambian in the first place. And don't tell me you played soccer in Gambia.
[It is also surprising that the for some reason, diasporans are viewed as not knowing what obtains on the ground.] Sambo.
No one told you that. This seems like a personal problem of yours Giuseppe. Forgive me if I disregard this part of your notes.
[In this day and age, how can one even entertain that thought? If we are the biggest donor to that country, does that reflect being out of touch? Diasporans are talking to Gambians everyday and are visiting that country often, thus, why would any suggest that if you are not physically in a country, then you are ignorant about what is going on, on the ground.] Sambo
[Gambians have their votes, and if they requesting for any group to do this and that and they believe they know better, then politics of the belly will continue in that country and that is a sign that folks have given up.] Sambo.
Speaking for Gambians again eh?
[Analyses of why the opposition lost, the day after the elections does zilch for the suffering.] Sambo.
Just like knowing the meaning of stakeholder will do zilch for you Joe.
[It is in the spirit of having to not go through such analysis for the fourth time that we are trying to hedge against.] Sambo.
Well keep hedging gaddamit.
[We are speaking because we care.] Sambo.
You and who? Do you really care Joe???
[Regarding the quotes from Foroyaa, I do not know of any that is speaking that is not also trying to support the parties, financially. Those that are pro UDP are giving to the UDP. The same with PDOIS, NRP, PPP, and even Henry. It is this piecemeal giving and receiving the reason why some of the parties are not interested in coming together.] Sambo.
You lie. You mean to tell me the opposition parties are so dependent on Sambo's farthings that they will fold their hands and wait for those farthings? You insult the intelligence of those brave men and women. Your fellow citizens. I would say...Keep your farthings and buy Mickey D's and powdermilk.
[A case in point, while STGDP and other groups were trying to raise funds for NADD, some of the parties were receiving funds from their supporters that was not put in NADD's coffers.] Sambo.
I think it is the giver who instructs where their gift MUST go to? Why would you want any sane Gambian to appropriate their hard-earned gifts to NADD? Where is NADD? I suppose you'll tell me there is no NADD because those people did not gift to NADD. Go ask Uwaa as you're wont to quip. I heard he made away with a bounty from NADD. People have been gifting to opposition parties before you were potty-trained. If I hear your filthy mouth again I'll shove my foot in it.
[As to the second quote, the issue is not whether Foroyaa is saying all these things, of course they are saying the below and much more. However, who is the listening or reading audience?] Sambo.
You are one of them. And you lied they haven't been doing anything?
[If they have been saying all these things all this while and folks kept voting for Yaya and Yaya kept doing worse with nothing to stop him, don't you think it is time for one to reevaluate and for once to see value in other observations?] Sambo.
Well for your information, Foroyaa has not been telling those folk to vote for Yahya. If you read Foroyaa and you still went and voted for Yahya at night, what do you want foroyaa to re-evaluate. They cannot rehabilitate the ethnic criminal.
[It is unacceptable for one to suggest that just because Joe is not physically in the Gambia, therefore Joe does not know what is going on, or attempt to dismiss what ever I have to say.] Sambo.
Sounds like Joe's personal problem to me. We dismiss what you are saying here Joe because you ain't saying shit. You're just throwing tantrums at undiscernible "enemies". Not because of where you're saying it from. Chacago!!!
[Disaporans are Gambians like any other and reserve the right to speak on matters common to all of us.] Sambo.
Speak for yourself thank you very much. This diasporan knows how to speak for himself. This is how you fenagle your way in diaspora efforts. By pretending to speak for everyone else. We're onto you Joe. We're going to whoop your little behind.
[I saw your conclusion, do you think the people you are addressing don't know they need to do that?] Sambo.
The question is do they want to do that? Do they believe that is as valuable as Sambo or Evian thinks? Sometimes it is good to recognize our own limitations. Instead of wantonly aversing other for sport. Punching bag.
[If they are not doing that, why do you think is their reason? If their reason does not end in a united or is not remotely bringing about a united front against Yaya, how has that serve Gambians?] Sambo.
What a load of crap.
Haruna
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:56:46 +0000
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Subject: Re: Foroyaa Editorial: The Gambian Opposition-The Punching Bag of The Gambian Diaspora
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Bailo, thanks for your response. The opposition parties and their leaders must recognize that Gambians in the diaspora are stakeholders just like them. If they want to have thin skin, then they should not want to lead any. Is it a fact that the leaders have been dragging their feet to even meet? Yes, it is a fact that none can deny. Is a it a fact that their is bad blood between some of them? Yes, it is a fact that none can deny. Have Gambians both at home and abroad been asking them to form a unit to fight for the liberation of Gambians? Yes, that is a fact. Do Gambians have the time and energy to waste on another missed opportunity for the opposition to do what the people they want to lead are asking of them? No we do not. If the opposition parties continue to ignore the demands of the people, then guess what, they shall be ignored in return
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:16:04 +0000
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Foroyaa states:
"Foroyaa would like to come to the defence of such parties by emphasizing with all the emphasis it can command that those who criticize such parties but are unwilling to contribute a dime to their well being are sheer hypocrites."
Constructive criticism or citicism in good faith of the strategy/manifesto of any party to me is as important as giving a political party money or funds. However I do not subscribe to attempts by a few towards belittling the efforts or doubting the commitment of any politician on the frontline of Gambian politics. I do not think that resorting to such tactics is fair or of any potential good for the opposition. Resorting to such methods would only generate needless bickering and animousity within the opposition instead of directing efforts and resources towards developing genuine unity base on mutual respect between opposition factions. The illegal incaceration of Femi Peters is a personal sacrifice that Femi was personally prepared for and as a key member of the UDP, it is also the price that his party is paying towards the freedom of Gambians. The legalistic approach of the UDP is therefore the best approach towards freeing him fom jail. Anyone who thinks otherwise should try to implement what they think is the only effective response.
The following statement by Foroyaa is also a testimony of the immense contribution of PDOIS to the quest for sanity in the governance of the Gambia. It is applaudable.
Any body who reads Foroyaa daily cannot fail to see that the Government is being engaged in all areas. Detentions without trial are being exposed, Seccos (ground nut buying centres) were monitored during the trade season which yielded positive results by engaging the marketing agencies, rural infrastructure and services are being monitored, the economy is being analysed and all civil, social, economic, political and cultural factors impeding development are being exposed and combated.
The same goes to the positive contribitions the leaders of other parties especially Omar A Jallow and Lawyer Mai Fatty. They are all playing their parts as expected of them. We salute you all.
In conclusion, I suggest that all opposition parties to respectively select a negotiator on their behalf for the task of achieving agreement for a united stance against the APRC in 2011.
Best wishes to all!
Bailo
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Date: Wednesday, 21 April, 2010, 11:40
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The Gambian Opposition-The Punching Bag of The Gambian Diaspora
The Leaders of the APRC must wear a smile every day as they read many on line and local papers on the state of the opposition in the Gambia. Some claim that they are toothless bulldogs. Others claim that they are preparing for failure in 2011. Some argue that the opposition is not worth following until they engage the Government.
Foroyaa therefore consider it in the public interest to do a review of the situation of the opposition in the Gambia.
First and foremost, we have realized that a political party is as powerful as its number of members and supporters or its capacity to control state power. Our evaluation of nominations of Presidential Candidates reveals that none of the political parties ever had up to 20000 persons endorsing their nomination papers. This simply means that no political party in the Gambia has up to 20000 members. In fact, discussion with some informed executive members of parties confirm that many members of parties expect something from the leaders instead of paying membership fees. Hence, many political parties depend on patrons instead of membership dues to sustain their activities. Many of those in the Diaspora who make contribution see it as helping individuals in parties to achieve position of National leadership instead of fulfilling a National duty. Many opposition parties are therefore unable to build a base among the people. Foroyaa would like to come to the defence of such parties by emphasizing with all the emphasis it can command that those who criticize such parties but are unwilling to contribute a dime to their well being are sheer hypocrites. They have transformed the opposition parties into punching bags as a means of covering up their own political impotency and apathy. We therefore recommend that those who do not select to support a political party or form one if they are dissatisfied with all have no right to criticize those who are making effort to make sure that the Nation is govern according to the will of the people or offer themselves as alternatives. Those who are not making any effort to be on the ground to defend the interest of the people but are just criticising citizens who have the same obligation as they do are responsible for the current predicament of the Gambia. They are in fact the problem of the Gambia. They frustrate the little or big efforts others are making and thus sow the seed of political apathy.
Political parties may have few members but could have many supporters. In short, more people turn out to vote for a candidate than the number of the members of his or her party. Foroyaa does not have to quote the results of elections since the 2006 Presidential elections to confirm that political apathy is not only affecting the opposition but also the APRC. Hence, many people are not coming out to vote for the parties. The challenge is for existing parties to develop new ways to win the hearts and minds of the people or new parties which could do so to emerge. The task of Gambians who are not helping political parties to find new ways or create parties to replace them is to appreciate the efforts of those who are at least putting their energies and monies where their hearts are.
This is no time for opposition bashing. These are times to find solutions to shortcomings.
Governments are not only engaged by political parties. They are engaged by the whole citizenry who are all stake holders. How many Gambians in the Diaspora attend programmes organised by political parties? Very few. However, they turn up by the hundreds to attend social programmes. It is best to use such social programmes to get them to discuss the future of their country.
There is no doubt that the Government is being engaged at all corners. Any body who reads Foroyaa daily cannot fail to see that the Government is being engaged in all areas. Detentions without trial are being exposed, Seccos (ground nut buying centres) were monitored during the trade season which yielded positive results by engaging the marketing agencies, rural infrastructure and services are being monitored, the economy is being analysed and all civil, social, economic, political and cultural factors impeding development are being exposed and combated. What is missing in the Diaspora, are objective patriots who are willing to direct their energies and resources to strengthen parties of their choice or help to set up one. Opposition bashing will not lead us anywhere other than the road to political apathy. Only those who do not want a better Gambia would engage in such a trivial affair.
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