Thanks Mr Nyang for exposing this empty barrel. he is a always making a fool of himself. The man is suffering from inferiority complex and Halifa does not even have his time. I am beginning to see the idiot as a very backward tribalist and this is why the UDP will never win elections in The Gambia. Suntou sees Halifa Sallah as a wollof and so his hatred is pronounced and this is why any thing Halifa does or achieved tribalist Suntubaa is negative about it. Grow up Suntu time is not on your side
Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh
--- On Tue, 8/12/09, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 16:29
Suntou I am not at your level. I recognize facts as they are. The more you express your self here the more you expose your disdain for the person of Halifa.
Of-curse, the issues being peddled by folks like you talk of big and small. This is not about the persons of Halifa and Ousainou. I will never join you in that nature of talk despite not being a student of knowledge. I am a crash high school graduate,yet grasps issues at a level higher than you are. Sorry!! i am not being arrogant. Just that you like to situate yuor self at a level your public outings does not correspond with. No disrespect meant. You are entitled to call your self BOLONGBA.
The best,
Nyang
--- On Tue, 12/8/09, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 5:55 AM
Modou, it depends who you are refering to as 'smaller guy'. if it is Halifa you are refering to, then you don't the least about him.
Suntou
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
That's a good point. The one with an upper hand will like to remain as such. However, what if being the big guy is not good enough to usher in the goods. There you have the the smaller ones who could be of good addition instead the so called big guy chooses to treat them with disdain and disregard.
I think the big guy should reach out to the so called small guys to get them join him if he is to save himself from humiliation again by another big guy.
Or else, the big guy, by reaching out to the smaller guys can consider bringing in a medium size guy who is neutral to help serve as a uniting factor in case he might be scared of being out stepped by the small guys after kicking out the other big guy.
What do you think?
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:53 PM
Nyang,
If Darboe, Halifa, OJ and Hamat can agree on a flag bearer, more power to them. But being the political animals politicians generally are, it would be unrealistic to expect any one in the position of the UDP or any party that has consistently, though with progressively reduced total votes, come out as the second biggest vote getter to cede leadership. I am of the view that all three cases you cited either confirms my assertion (Senegal and Kenya)or is a special case (Mali). ATT came initially to power through a coup, left voluntarily and honorably after ushering in a civilian government, set up his NGO, traverse the world, hobnobbed with world leaders and acted as Special envoy of the United Nations. ATT, in short, didn't need a political party to return to the helm because of his unusual and special circumstances. It's my skeptism that has the best of me in my lack of confidence in a political party leader who is convinced that his party is the biggest of all the opposition parties to cede leadership.
A. Koroma
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From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
Brother Ansu, wasn't the politics of numbers of numbers tried in 2001 and 2006 by the biggest opposition party and it did not yield the desired results?
As far as i am concerned a clear arrangement need to be put in place before putting any single person to lead us. If Sansudeen's narration of the events of the coup in 1994 is to be believed, Jammeh was put in power by the very people he has kicked out one after the other. Please do not get me wrong. I am not insinuating that choosing Darboe to lead us in an alliance will result to the same experiences with the example above. Notwithstanding however, relying merely on the UDP's past electoral gains is not convincing enough to automatically choose it's leader to lead the rest of the opposition into contest with Jammeh.
Others have mentioned that coalitions or alliances are always lead by the so called majority parties among the opposition. That is not altogether correct. it was not the case in Senegal, Mali and neither Kenya.
What transpired in Senegal in the 2000 elections was that Wade forced Diouf into a second round by capturing 30.1 percent of the votes as opposed to Diouf's 41.3 percent.Mustapha Niasse and Djibo Kah followed in third and fourth place respectively were already out of the race as par the constitutional requirement to determine an outright winner.
In my view, even if Niasse did not give his support to Wade in the second round, Wade would have emerged the winner none the less. Reason? It is rooted in the results of the second round of the elections. Pushing Diouf into a runoff the Senegalese people realized that change was eminent and they simply went for it. However,with Niasse declaring his support for Wade it then became a matter of simple arithmetic. That is why Wade's share of the votes in the final vote surged from 30.1 percent to 58.5 percent to Diouf's 41.5 percent. An tiny increment from his first round gain despite Djobo Kah's support.
In Kenya Raila Odinga was the main challenger among the opposition. Kibaki was a Vice President and only broke away when he was not selected to lead Kanu. in my view, it was a tactic of capturing Kanu's support base of predominantly Kikuyu's that made the opposition that coalesced into the Rainbow Coalition to selected Kibaki as a candidate. He was not in the opposition.
The Mali experiment is well known. ATT won on an independent ticket with the support of "Allegedly" the out going Alpha Oumar Konare. Uncle Haruna can tell us more on what happened in Mali.
Coming back home, the UDP has been experiencing a decline in votes since it's first electoral contest in 1996 likewise the NRP. For PDOIS has only managed a little increase in it's votes since 1996.
Hence as matters stand, it is only through the combination of of the strengths of all these parties that we stand the chance of defeating the APRC. This i am convinced is a common ground for all of us. But how to get the parties work together is the issue at hand.
I do not subscribe to the idea of choosing someone because of past electoral results. It has to be based on clearly agreed terms and conditions. In this way when when you establish your organization or whatever you may want to do it to ensure that our country never again fall back into the old days of the APRC and even of the PPP, i will join you in tandem to act as guards to ensure the arrangements lading to our new found independence are followed in letter and spirit. Anything less, is unacceptable.
Nyang.
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Subject: Re: [>-<] What next UDP
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Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 4:55 PM
Folks,
Politics and elections are essentially about numbers. The leader of the political party with the largest support always heads a coalition. If this arrangement is not acceptable to the smaller parties, they are of course free to go it alone. I believe it is FangKung who regularly reminds us that Yahya Jammeh plans to be around until 2025. If the present crop of politicians and the haggling amongst supporters of various parties even before negotiations commence are anything to go by, Yahya could be around for a lot longer than 2025 unless he is stopped through the non-election route.
A. Koroma
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Sent: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 4:01 pm
Subject: RE: [>-<] What next UDP
Saiks,
Well done for a good write-up of your political perspectives!
I also have no doubt that a government led by Ousainou Darboe would adhere to and practice the principles of democracy and also be commiitted to satisfying the development aspirations of all Gambians. A two-term presidential limit and an independent judiciary to which all opposition parties are committed should serve as key cornerstones towards forming a tactical alliance between the UDP alliance and the remnants of the NADD coalition.
Therefore, I believe Ousainou should for once be given the opportunity to lead a tactical coalition of all opposition parties. I am now convinced that key members of NADD's leadership such as Waa Juwara were to all intents and purposes more interested in defeating the legitimate political aspirations of their counterparts within NADD than they were really committed to stopping Yahya Jammeh's gross misrule.
If the genuine opposition leadership are fully committed to defeating Yahya Jammeh's dictatorship which continues to pose the greatest threat to peace and unity of the Gambian nation, then they must individually and collectively realise the inevitability of some sort of an alliance against the incumbent.
It ought to be clear by now that no fineness of political posturing or campaigning by the either the UDP-led alliance or PDOIS in the absence of some of an opposition alliance could electorally defeat the current dictatorship. Only an opposition alliance encompassing the likes of OJ, Hamat Bah, Halifa Sallah, Seedia Jatta, etc, etc behind the candidature of Ousainou Darobe could motivate the stay-away electorate to turn up and vote out Professor Yahakat.
The best way forward is to merge the strengths of all opposition parties towards defeating both a weak as well as locally and internationally discredited APRC regime. This cannot however be realised if the opposition pursue a path of seeking to denigrade or discrediting one another.
Bailo
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Subject: [>-<] What next UDP
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:17:08 +0000
I am not interested in NADD,this was the organisation that exposed the opportunism of Gambian politicians. Now much of what we know about the crisis within the NADD was that there was power struggle, who will be the flag bearer. If there was much interest in defeating Jammeh, such should have been a formality and northing else, not even a detail discussion. Daboe should be the Flag bearer period, his party was the largest and still the biggest both in parliament and outside. If other political parties doubted this why did they not suggest a local elections and ask the Gambian People(their voters) who they want to be their Presidential candidate. All these were not happening but instead they caged themselves in absorbed formalities, confusing and fooling us who were mobilising support,funds and other resources, making us to believe that there were other fundamental questions that needed to be resolved. Now we know that it was their own political desires to become the next " his excellence" rapped up in every colour of "divine purity" that caged them. I would not have been shocked or surprised if what breaks up NADD was the question "what will happen after the elections ?" For all political parties involved have the right to voice out their expectations as to what should happen after the election.
Never ever has there been a challenge to the powers of professor Jammeh as we have recently seen by the defiance rally held by the UDP ,these are new times and a new reality.
Some few months ago ,whiles visiting the Gambia, in a discussion with a friend, a UDP militant, he explained to me that they met with the newly appointed Inspector general and very clearly informed him that with or without approving their next application to hold a political rally, they will go ahead with the rally. Honestly I did not take that discussions seriously, for me this was just another UDP rattling, they will never ever dare challenge the powers and authority of the Dear Leader. I was wrong, they did it, and it now need some reflections from some of us who never supported the UDP.
Perhaps I was having the April 10/ 11 in mine of which I was a witness to, when defenceless students were brutally gunned down by matured men. But the fact is that, the struggle to end Jammehs rule has reached another stage which must be exploited to the maximum. The torture that many activist were subjected to, the illegal arrest and detentions of political activist, the dead of KC and the murder of Dyda, the on slaughter on journalist, the demonstrations in New York, London, Washington, Oslo etc, the tireless voices of the opposition in the International, the collection of signatures and contacts with different authorities in the US and UK, known and unknown, and many other forms of exposing the brutality of the jammeh regime has now bear fruits and it is this that the UDP timely read and reacted to,I have no choice but to credit them for this brave move. They have demystify the powers, the African magic of our Dear Leader .Now the UDP must take a responsible leadership ,take us to the logical conclusions of this march, to a new level.(I am not discussing anything with regards to my political opinion as to the capabilities of the UDP in bringing about a meaningful change in the lives of the Gambian People)
The UDP promised to continue to defy the powers of the state(APRC in this case) that continues to unlawfully deny them the right to hold political meetings, if they seriously mean it, then all the other political parties should do the same. They should mobilise their supporters and apply for a permit to hold rallies and if they are deny on no genuine grounds, they should go ahead. This will be a form of solidarity with the UDP and a challenge to the authorities to recognise and respect the rights of free people, a basic human right. The corned and weaken APRC is on the defensive, the court case against Femi Petters is a sign. They knew that this meeting was going to go ahead, they did not bring the military in the street to intimidate and or gun down the people as they did to the students. If they UDP is planning another political rally, if the authorities deny them a permit to hold the rally and they decide to go ahead with it,they should invite the political leaders of all the other oppositions parties to come and speak in the rally.
I have my doubts if that will happen, they will be allow to hold the meeting ,but we also know that the APRC regime loves adventures and the Brave Dear Leader who some time back promised to wipe out on the face of the Earth and un named country, if that country mess with him, must be full of confidence to face the whole world and plus the Gambian masses.
If little UDP can defy his powers ,if he is wise enough or having good advices, it is now time for him to reassess his rhetoric. If barely a 6 months will not pass without news of a certain military high ranking official been arrested or sacked, the very people who will be leading his war or on slaughter, as a trained military officer, he should know that his military power base is very weak.
Will the other political parties join the UDP in this new stage of political development in the country ? they should be able to do so by dropping their ego, their ambition of becoming the next "His Excellence", which is more of dream than a reality at this moment of the political situation in the country. It is with this reality that we should confront the parties we support and demand that they act, if our immediate political interest is to see the back of the APRC regime and bring sanity to the country. They should mobilise their members to attend the next court case of Femi Petters, they should release statements of solidarity with the UDP and promise the Authorities that they too will use the same method if ever they are deny permit to hold political rallies. My opinion, anything less will be another political rambling towards the next elections.
For Freedom
Saiks
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