I am still adamant that Darboe ran away and betray his over 141000 supporters who voted for him. This is fact. I now challenge any one in the L or post to proof otherwise. Allfoolsainey darboe is a political criminal and deserve to be exposed. The UDP deserves better and in Darboe they have coward who plays the tribal card and will continue to keep Jammeh in power. He ran away!!!!! once and will do so again. Once a coward always a coward.
 
I await your response



Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh

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From: yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Muhammed Drammeh is the Anonymous Liar!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 5:45 PM




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Mr Drammeh
 
I have made my final submissions on this matter. It is now left to our audiences to judge!
 
Nemesis Yanks
 


Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:34:55 -0700
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Muhammed Drammeh is telling the truth as always. He exposes cowards!!!!1
To: [log in to unmask]





Like I said I am not the author of the story about you and I will not comment on them. I am telling the truth Darboe ran away!!!!!!!



Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh

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From: yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Muhammed Drammeh is the Anonymous Liar!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 1:40 AM




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Mr Drammeh
 
So, you indeed have no proofs to verify your lies about me running! How can anyone believe you that Ousainou Darboe has ran away and is a coward, if you can't prove mine! 
 
Anyway you can continue your stupidity, rudeness and indiscipline. With the hope that by repeating Darboe "borita" and is a coward will make anyone believe in what you said. Liar! 
 
I have warned you fool, you have failed in your quest. 
 
If anything you are left to show us, Mr Drammeh, and which we have learned from your exchanges is your nature as a person. Which i suppose is shaped by your lack of discipline, lies and insolent. 
 
This is why you cannot have respect for lawyer Darboe. But he will take comfort from the knowledge that you had a very bad upbringing. 
 
The Darboe's don't run, mug! 
 
The banter contnues!
 
Nemesis Yanks 
 


Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:50:12 -0700
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: But Darboe is a coward
To: [log in to unmask]





It still does not change the fact that Darbore ran away!!!!!!!!! and he should resign!!!!!!!!!



Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh

--- On Mon, 20/4/09, yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: HALIFA IS NO MORE THAN A PREACHER, BUT NOT AN IMAM!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 20 April, 2009, 12:46 AM




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Brother Haruna
 
Its good to hear from you as well!
 
I thought i was done with these forum banters, but every now and then i had to come back against my will. These PDOIS, NADD sycophants or at least they pretend to be, never learn to maintain truce. 
 
God knows i don't attack these people, but I always have to defend the party i support and its leader from these cyber Halifamas and PLOIS jihady groups. But as long as they don't stop their suicide attacks, I won't stop my self defence. So i think it will take many US residents and Secretaries to make our Oslo treaty work. 
 
Your brother in the struggle
 
Brethren Yanks   
 


Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:24:09 -0400
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: HALIFA IS NO MORE THAN A PREACHER, BUT DARBOE IS A COWARD!
To: [log in to unmask]


Brilliant Yanks. The mind is being nurtured. I remembered Rajoelina sought refuge in a UN compound and with the French. Rajoelina led demonstrations in Tananarive to prosecute the legislative life of Malagasies while Ravalomanana sought refuge in the AU. PDOIS seeks refuge in Halifa and Foroyaa. Without Darbo, there will certainly be a UDP. Without Halifa, I am not as sure about PDOIS. At the rate they are going, the witches and wizards are killing Halifa unawares.
 
Anyway, I do want to bring to your attention that Dramane is engaged in sport or so he thinks. It may not be necessary to nourish a terminally ill mind. They only pay lip-service to Darfur. They are not serious people. They think Gambia owes them something for attending to their clan.
Haruna. Best wishes on a belated easter. Good to hear you again. MQJGDT. Darbo.
 
 
 

In a message dated 4/18/2009 6:44:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
"THE UDP NEED A BRAVE LEADER. DARBOE THE COWARD IS A FAILURE. WHAT I SAID ABOUT HIM ARE FACTS. I DID NOT LIE. HE RAN AWAY" Mohamed Drammeh
 
Mr Drammeh 
 
I have warned you that you will fail in your quest to tarnish the integrity of the man named Ousainou Darboe. You claimed that Lawyer Darboe is not brave, he is a coward yet you failed to explain what yardstick you have used to come to that conclusion. 
 
However, here is a little education for you, it is a universal declared accord that every citizen of this world has a right to seek refuge upon an apprehension of fear for their safety. This is now enshrined in the constitutions of almost every nation of this world, which are signatory to the Geneva Convention of the 1951. If you require further elaboration it is stipulated under Article 1A (2) of the said convention.
 
Furthermore, it is a fact that every law student with a LLB qualification is aware of this conventional right of every individual. It is in fact our basic human rights. I suppose with the exception you and your Afro - educated leader called Halifa. Such could be the only rational explanation as to why you and your decayed brain would interprete a person's mere exercise of this basic human rights as cowardice. 
 
Unfortunately, you have failed to understand that Lawyer Darboe is a fully qualified lawyer, who knows that this basic human right does exist for him and he is not a coward to exercise it anytime he fits the criteria. Indeed, people don't go to law school in order to become oblivion to their rights. 
 
Lawyer Darboe, on the day he walked to the Senegalese Embassy to seek refuge for a day or two, was merely exercising his basic human rights under the Geneva convention for the treament of refugees and asylum seekers. 
 
For you to describe that as cowardice and non bravery merely exposes your stupidity of your own human right. If seeking refuge is regarded as cowardice in your party, PDOIS, NADD or whatever you call them, you mugs then need to go to school to learn about your basic human rights.
 
Today, there are millions of refugees and asylum seekers around the world, to label their actions as cowardice is absolute horrendous and begs the question, where is your head at Mr Drammeh.
 
I hope you now see sense and realise that Lawyer Darboe was no coward and has never ran but merely exercise his basic human right. Just because you do not know that such right exist, does not make Darboe a coward.
 
So please Mr Drammeh, get this into your thick skull, the Darboe's don't run! 
 
Nemesis Yanks
 
I am back!  
 
 


Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:26:46 -0700
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: HALIFA IS NO MORE THAN A PREACHER, BUT DARBOE IS A COWARD!
To: [log in to unmask]






Thank you very much Yankuba Dabo,
 
Rather than you attacking the actions of Halifa Sallah you are are just engage in your hatred of him. I do not care if you love or hate Halifa Sallah. Had Halifa ran away I will expose and humillate him.
 
You have nothing to say about Halifa except that you are attacking the person he is. He did not run away Darboe did!!!!!!!!!!. This is the issue that I have with him. I did not praise and I will not praise Halifa Sallah for his bravery and valour. He is just doing what every Gambian expected of him. Darboe failed in this and thus deserved to be exposed. THE UDP NEED A BRAVE LEADER. DARBOE THE COWARD IS A FAILURE. WHAT I SAID ABOUT HIM ARE FACTS. I DID NOT LIE. HE RAN AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABORITA LEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANDUNG AYALA DIMBAYATU KOMA. DARBOE LEMU JONG O TI
 
Let Halifa run away and see what I will write about him. I have no hatred of Darboe. I despised his cowardice. He ran for office but chicken out whack!!!!! whack!!!!!!!!! Tell me if i am lying!!!!!!!!! Darboe ran away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in 1996. This is fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The UDP should choose someone else not a coward. kubuga 



Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh

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From: yanks dabo <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: HALIFA IS NO MORE THAN A PREACHER, BUT NOT THE IMAM!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 2:00 AM




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Mr Muhamed Drameh or Mambai Drameh or whatever you call yourself!
 
You need to have a little respect for Lawyer Darboe regardless of how much hatred you might habour for the man. I have been following your postings on the Gambia post as well as this forum. Your postings have evinced that you are not a political commentator or critic of lawyer Darboe or the party and people he represents, but a political saboteur bent on tarnishing the integrity of Lawyer Darboe. 
 
However, you have failed and will continue to fail. You should resist your egoes from bamboozling you into thinking that you can bring down Ousainou Darboe on these forums that choose to unlease your menace. Please Mr Drammeh be aware that Halifa holds no more political clout than Lawyer Darboe. That Afroman better learn to lead a family first before thinking of leading a country. 
 
Lawyer Darboe is nor coward and he poses more threat to the Jammeh regime than that clown of yours, you call a hero. You wonder boy hero is nothing more than an old Jackson faive member to Jammeh. You wonder why Jammeh derided him as an "Old Jackson Five" member. Simply because, under the eye of the Dictator, Halifa is a nonentity, more or less a commendian in the battlefield. 
 
The real belligrent is Ousainou Darboe and the UDP. So please save us the brag! When will you people begin to see or realise that Halifa is no more than a preacher, but not the Imam in the Gambian opposition.
 
The Darboe's don't run! I hope you get that into your thick skull, Mr Drammeh!
   
Nemesis Yanks
 


Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:07:12 -0700
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?/Ginny/harunanding
To: [log in to unmask]





Please reply and do not Darboe!!!!!!!!!!



Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin Muhammad Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh

--- On Sat, 18/4/09, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?/Ginny
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 12:04 AM



I couldn't have said it better Ginny. May the Lord God be with you. ALways.
Haruna.
 

In a message dated 4/17/2009 3:08:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
The facts as I see them are that Halifa went on a fact-finding
mission, regarding the "witch-hunting exercise), was arrested and had
charges brought against him.  Suntou is of the opinion that Halifa
Sallah was doing this for his own political gain/fortune, and that if
he'd known that he was going to get arrested, that he'd not have
engaged in said fact-finding mission,and if Suntou is making these
assertions, A. are they correct?  and B. if they are, is this
necessarily a bad thing?

When the insinuation was made that Halifa Sallah was acting in his own
political interest, instead of that of the Gambian people,  we once
again waded in to the "Sallah would never do that" argument...  The
issue seems to me that it's not whether or not Sallah acted in his own
interest or not, but the fact that many can't fathom that Sallah could
possibly be looking out for himself, politically, and trying to raise
his political fortunes, by going on a "fact-finding" mission regarding
the witch hunt.  I mean, if he's seeking to be President or
Representative, or a political leader of some sort, he'd have to raise
his political fortunes somehow, he'd have to find some way to get
elected, so how does he do this?

Politicians make well, political calculations all the time.  whenever
there's a disaster, they go and tour the area, whenever there's a
problem or issue, they have some sort of theory of how to fix it,
they're not necessarily doing it out of the kindness of their own
heart.  Why should Halifa Sallah be any different?  Is it possible
that acting in the best interest of The Gambia is a political gesture
in and of itself.

And even if Suntou is wrong, which I think he is in this case, he has
the right to offer his opinion, and to offer reasons for why he holds
that opinion.  And everyone else who disagrees has the right to
challenge him on it.  Perhaps it's not happened in this particular
conversation (though I do see it to some degree, just on the emotional
outbursts of some alone), that saying anything deemed as "wrong" or
"bad" about Halifa Sallah is deemed as a sort of treason or a
sacrilege.  If Sallah doesn't want a position of leadership and
authority/power, why is he in politics in the first place?  If he
wants to speak out against The Gambia government, he could well do
that on his own.  If he wants representation in Parliament, etc., then
he could just sponsor a candidate or campaign on a candidates behalf,
but then we're back to the same place we started, that Sallah is
involved in politics, even if it may be indirectly.

My point is that Halifa is held up as the selfless, courageous fighter
of The Gambian people, I've even heard/read some refer to him as the
"Mandela of The Gambia", and that he doesn't seek power for power's
sake, etc.  And this may all be true.  However, this doesn't preclude
the notion that he may, in his quest to fight for the Gambian people,
make some political decisions/calculations at some point in time.

At any rate, this was a futile argument to begin with and I'm
wondering why Suntou even brought it up?  What good is this going to
do?  What good is it going to do in united an opposition for the next
election?  (Is that even on the table anymore?)  And why are we
bringing up Darboe's 1996 Incident?  Again, I'm not saying that I
agree or disagree with it, but why now?  What is to be gained by
talking about these two things incessantly?  Even if Darboe was wrong
for running off to the Senegalese embassy, and even if Sallah was
somehow "politically calculating"?  What is the point of bringing this
up, except to engender more animosity and bitterness between people
that really need to find a way to unite?

And if you can't unite with or get behind Sallah, or you can't unite
with or get behind Darboe, based on their political beliefs or their
past mistakes, if you don't like the current leaders in The Gambia,
what then?  It seems to me that we've got a certain segment of people
(and not necessarily all PDOIS supporters or all UDP supporters for
that matter), who will not compromise on anything, who will not
entertain any other position or idea other than the one they currently
support.

Perhaps I've missed the boat big time but I'm sure there'll be another
one along shortly and maybe next time I'll get it.

Although I'd imagine that if I completely agreed with the pro-Halifa
people in this particular discussion, I'd miraculously develop a keen
intelligence, a knack for understanding "Gambian issues", I'd all of a
sudden go from being someone who's "missed the boat big time", and
would morph into a certified genius.  See how those things work?

Again, you see it in this country too, if you listen to talk radio, or
at least Conservative talk radio, you'll hear the hosts talk about how
if you don't agree with them, then there's something patently wrong
with you, they talk about their views being "the truth".  And to be
fair, you also see it among Liberals too.  And I don't think that
Gambian political discussions are any different, at least when we're
talking about the opposition.  "The truth" to my mind is relative to
the person you're talking to.  One person's "cowardice" is another
person's "courage".  One person's "selflessness" is another person's
"political calculation".  It just depends on who you're talking to.

We're just not agreeing and no amount of back and forth is going to
change that.

Ginny



On 4/17/09, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The ramble is extremely valuable, appropriate, and visionary. And I read
> every word of it.
>
> Ginny I'll give you a hint:
> Your fair review of all political parties and their leaders of Gambia IS
> NOT WHAT BRINGS OUT THE DAGGERS. I just want you to know that.
>
> Some time just after the nadd dissolution and UDP/NRP's withdrawal from the
>  gaucherie, The GDP had invited UDP and NRP officials in order to fashion a
>  reconvening of minds around some coalescing of forces. You were kind
> enough to  grace a meeting of Hon. Hamat Bah. You spoke gloriously of him
> and he
> spoke  admirably of you both here and in Gambia. On your blog, there is
> publication  dedicated to Hamat, the Man.
>
> So in life's mirages, and being an enhanced human being, you will not
> understand why you solicit venom from some corners, even as you give praise
> to
> their dear leader. The mentality and level of development is such that not
> only  is disagreement a harbinger of derision and contemptuous libel, but so
> is the  commendation and "praise" of phantom enemies.
>
> I hope this keeps things in better perspective for you. I am concerned that
>  you will blame yourself for your good self. And it has nothing (virtually
> nothing) to do with Ginny. What it risks doing is intimidating you to a
> point  where you recede in human terms to meet your detractors at the lower
> ebb
> of  life. I advise you stay true north. And enjoy life with your trademark
> considerations.
> Haruna.
>
>
> In a message dated 4/16/2009 10:21:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I wasn't  necessarily saying that anyone said, word for word, that
> Halifa Sallah  wasn't human.  And wasn't prone to mistakes.  I merely
> pointed  that fact out, as an aside, because every time Halifa Sallah
> is discussed,  and/or criticized in anyway, the claws come out.  And I
> mean every  time!  I almost guarantee you that if you scream Halifa
> Sallah on a  crowded list, it's bound to evoke some kinda response.
> And I also think  that some of his supporters idolize him, put him on a
> pedestal, darn near  worship him, and anyone can disagree with me on
> this point if you want,  however, from what I've seen, anyone who
> criticizes him (rightly or  wrongly), gets all kinds of stuff flung at
> them, and we get the same old  tired lecture of how great he is for The
> Gambia, and how much he's done for  the Gambian people.  Which may or
> may not be true, that's not even the  point I'm addressing.  However,
> the unspoken rule seems to be that  criticism of Halifa Sallah is off
> limits.  Now this may, or may not,  be true.  Maybe he has, or can't do
> anything wrong.  Maybe the  criticism has taken place off list.  I
> don't know.
>
> I'll say  (once again as this seems to be getting lost in the shuffle),
> that I  commend Halifa Sallah for speaking out and doing what he could
> to get at  the truth of what actually took place.  And I think that
> questioning  his motives, just for the sake of questioning them,
> without any proof to  substantiate any of the claims made in
> questioning his motives, is wrong  and is over the top.  OK?  Now, if
> anyone has any substantiated  claims that Sallah was acting in his own
> self-interest, or for his own  political gains, let's post hard facts
> here, and not just mere speculation  and inuendo.  Let's not disagree
> with Halifa Sallah just for the sake  of disagreeing with him.
>
> I have wondered, though, why Halifa Sallah and  the PDOIS party has
> failed to gain traction with the Gambian people.   And when I've asked
> this question, the inference I get is that the Gambian  people, by and
> large, are not politically mature enough, not educated  enough, and are
> too tribalistic in their mindset, to choose what's best for  them (read
> Sallah).  Now, if one thinks so low of the people they  supposedly are
> trying to fight for, the people you supposedly want to have  freedom,
> democracy, the rule of law, etc., doesn't that mean that they  should
> be allowed to support the candidate of their choosing?  Even if  it's
> not Sallah?  Is Sallah (and the other opposition politicians as  well)
> fighting for the Gambian people, or are they fighting for their  own
> political gains?  And if Sallah is so different than the  other
> opposition politicians, how so?  What has he done that say,  Darboe (a
> human rights lawyer mind you) hasn't?
>
> Sallah might be the  best thing for The Gambia (I'll steer away from
> the "sliced bread"  comparison as it might offend some), however, the
> hard fact is that the  majority of Gambians do *not* support him!  Now,
> how can you get  support from people when you infer (or right out say)
> that the constituency  that you're asking to vote for you is too stupid
> and uneducated to do  so?  Now Sallah may not have said this himself,
> but I've heard/seen it  from his supporters enough...  And I'd
> personally not support someone  who insults my intelligence or thinks
> me stupid.
>
> It seems that all  of the opposition leaders' supporters aren't that
> much different than  Jammeh's supporters.  You criticize their leaders,
> the claws will come  out, you'll get called all kinds of names, and be
> asked to prove (with  supporting messages, footnotes, and
> documentation) every letter, word,  sentence, that you utter.  And in
> the process of the back-and-forth,  we lose sight of what the actual
> goal is.  Perhaps if we remember what  the ultimate goal is, which is
> to restore democracy and the rule of law to  The Gambia (or at least
> that's what I thought it was), then we can put our  differences aside
> to achieve that goal and then worry about the back and  forth bickering
> later.  However, it seems that you have a group of  people who would
> rather have Jammeh in power, than to see anyone else  butHalifa Sallah
> as the next President of The Gambia.
>
> All of the  opposition leaders, imho, have done something, in their own
> way, to  challenge the current regime in power.  They'd not be
> opposition  leaders if they had not done something...  Maybe it wasn't
> exactly  what Sallah was or is doing, but if it's not, does it mean
> that how they  choose to stand up to the dictatorship is necessarily
> "wrong", or that  because they're not acting as PDOIS/Sallah woudl act,
> that that makes them  power hungry, selfish, etc.?
>
> And this is why we can't unite!   Because some do not have respect for
> the parties they don't agree with,  they've put Sallah way up here, and
> the rest of the opposition leaders way  down here.  And will come on
> the list and say they want a united  opposition no matter what, while
> trashing some of the opposition  candidates.
>
> I'm going to use American politics as an example again (and  my
> apologies as this seems to offend some too), but do you think  Obama
> would have gotten elected if he trashed Hillary and her  supporters
> after he'd won the primary?  Or, vice versa, i.e., what if  Hillary
> and/or her supporters had continued trashing Obama after he'd won,  and
> the democratic party had remained divided?  What I'm trying to say  is
> that for the most part, even Democrats and Independents, for  that
> matter, rallied around Obama even if they didn't necessarily  agree
> with him, in order to get rid of Bush and not allow McCain to  get
> elected.  They were able to put their smaller differences aside  and
> focus on the bigger goal of ousting the Republicans from the  White
> House as well as from many seats in Congress.
>
> Now, if people  can't even do that here on this list, when we're
> supposedly dealing with  mature and educated people, how do we expect
> the leaders to be able to do  it?  And even if the leaders were able to
> come together, what about  their supporters?
>
> You've got one person rehashing an event that  happened in 1996, per
> Darboe, and another person questioning the supposed  ulterior motives
> of a guy who, for whatever reason, put his life on the  line for asking
> questions...  i.e. Sallah...  And this is just a  waste of time and
> we're losing site of the big picture here!
>
> My  nuanced view, that many either missed or chose to only focus on  the
> critical of Sallah parts, is that Sallah stood up and spoke  out
> *more*, hear me?  I said *more than* any of the other leaders that  we
> knew of!  I was commending him for this.  However, based not  only on
> this current conversation but past exchanges regarding  Sallah,
> criticism of him is not tolerated, even if it may be  warranted!  I
> also said that Sallah has done a lot in educating the  people in
> electoral matters (and that was missed too), however, the fact  still
> remains that PDOIS is still a small party in The Gambia.  And  the fact
> also is that many say that he and PDOIS urged people to support  an
> admittedly flawed Constitution, the reason being that a  flawed
> Constitution coudl be changed later and it was better than  no
> Constitution at all.  However, that's pretty much water under  the
> bridge (just as Darboe's seeking refuge with the Senegalese  embassy
> should also be water under the bridge), because even if we would  have
> had a perfect Constitution, Jammeh has all but ruined it, and if  the
> Freedom Newspaper *shudder* is accurate, Jammeh's fixing to  *oops,
> there's the Tennessee coming out* put up a bill making The Gambia  a
> one-party state.  What will the opposition do then?  Where will  the
> endless quoting of the Constitution get anyone then?
>
> You see,  many times I tend to have a pretty nuanced opinion about
> things.  And  many I think, missed that.
>
> Anyway...  this old argument regarding  Sallah/the opposition, in
> general, is an old and tired one, and I'm sorry  that I wasted my time,
> and others' time, getting involved in  it.
>
> Although the emotional quips of "going back to Clarksville and  telling
> the hibbies" along with my supposedly thinking my opinions superior  to
> others (but they were didn't ya know?  'cause I'm educated and  all
> that) have kept me laughing all day...  And such an emotional  reaction
> from presumably PDOIS/Sallah supporters have proven my point, that  any
> kind of disagreement, or even mere suggestion that perhaps  something
> else different should be tried, can't be tolerated, unless of  course,
> the great and wonderful Sallah says it should be so...  And  Maybe
> Sallah is a great and wonderful leader, and I'm just not seeing  it.
>
> I've just not been the type to put people on pedestals.  Even  Obama,
> who I think, for the most part, is doing good for this country,  I
> don't always agree with.
>
> Anyway, I've rambled on long  enough...
>
> Ginny
>
>
>
> On 4/16/09, Jabou Joh  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Ginny,
>>
>> Where in the  responses of those who are challenging the misinformation
> about
>>  Halifa's intentions or anything else that is said about him for that
> matter,
>> have you read where any of us have even suggested that Halifa  is not
> human
>> and does not make mistakes?
>> Jabou  Joh
>>
>> But last I checked, he was human just like the rest of us,  he's not
> perfect,
>> and just like the other opposition leaders (who by  being opposition
> leaders
>> and human rights lawyers, etc., have also put  their lives on the line for
>> The Gambia), have also made  mistakes.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]>
>> To:  [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:01 am
>>  Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>>
>>
>>
>> You  know, I could care less *why* Halifa did what he did!  If others
> want  to
>> question his motives than go right ahead...  However, the fact  of the
> matter
>> remains that he went on a fact-finding mission  regarding the
> "witch-hunts",
>> was arrested for it, and had charges  brought against him!  Where were the
>> other politicians while  all of this was going on?  He was the most
> outspoken
>> out of all  of the opposition politicians.
>>
>>
>>
>> Having said  that, though, just like the Republicans and Democrats in this
>> country  can't do anything right in the other's eyes, so goes with the
>> various  opposition parties (and their supporters) in The Gambia.  If it
> had
>> been Ousainou Darbo or someone else, then someone would probably  be
> coming
>> along and questioning Ousainou's motives
>>   too.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think that anyone in PDOIS is any  more or less prone to hero
> worship
>> than a supporter from any other  party, but I've always detected a hint
> of, I
>> can't find the right word  for it, but a hint of defensiveness and and a
>> sorta cult-like  hero-worship where Halifa is concerned, though this
>> definitely  doesn't hold true for every PDOIS supporter.  And Halifa is
>>  human, prone to error, just like anyone else, though if you listen to
> some
>> people talk, he's the best thing since sliced bread, and if you  don't
>> support him, then there's something wrong with you, you're  stupid,
>> uneducated, or any number of  invectives.
>>
>>
>>
>> Notwithstanding all of this, at  least in the most recent case of
>> witch-hunting, no matter why Halifa  did what he did, he did it!  And if
>> anyone wants to  question Halifa's motives for doing so, I'd like a little
>> more  than speculation, i.e., direct quotes, hard evidence, etc., for
>>  example, to sit there and say "if Halifa knew he'd be arrested, he'd  not
>> have done what he did".  Which doesn't make sense to me  because if memory
>> serves me, Halifa has been detained before, so  surely he knew that his
>> actions could well land him in detention of  some sort.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I've only read through some  of the posts as the back-and-forth
> was
>> giving me a headache.  And  it's just the same old "Halifa is
> selfish/thinks
>> we're  stupid/whatever" meme against Halifa, and the "Halifa is great and
>>  wonderful and how dare you question him/we all k
>> now what you're  trying to do/you're trying to tarnish the image of the
> most
>> courageous  Gambian to ever walk the face of the earth/what you're saying
>> about  Halifa is patently untrue", on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>  And from my vantage point, the true is probably somewhere in the middle
> of
>> those two extremes.  Halifa hs done much to educate Gambians,  has done
> much
>> to empower them electorally, and he has put his life on  the line to
> stand up
>> for Gambians.  But last I checked, he was  human just like the rest of us,
>> he's not perfect, and just like the  other opposition leaders (who by
> being
>> opposition leaders and human  rights lawyers, etc., have also put their
> lives
>> on the line for The  Gambia), have also made mistakes.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Ginny
>>
>>
>>
>>
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