Edie,

I agree entirely with you. However we should not ignore the likes of Suntou to peddle whatever spite they have for a honorable compatriot and let them get away unchecked. That's dangerous.

Many thanks for your wise counsel

Bailo

--- On Thu, 16/4/09, Edie Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Edie Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 6:35 PM

Politic is like launching business, positioning your product in the market place, timing is an essential part as well as using the media effectively on your favour moreover studying and muscling the weakness of competitors in-order to build a solid foundation. if Halifa is trying to score political points that is what the game is about, in-order to get people's support, you need to sacrifice for them and convince them the fact that you are trustworthy. Again, to scrutinise a politician in this kind of atmosphere is baseless due to the insecurity.

What we must understand here is that, the politicians back home are to be praised and given courage to keep up on what they are doing but not to criticise them. To be honest, it was only Halifa Sallah who first voice-out his dismay as far as the records are concern. Then Freedom newspaper interview OJ on the subject.

The bottom line is, however, whether Halifa is a point scorer or a hero should be determined by the people on the ground who cash their vote and the duty for the politicians at this juncture is to be able to get closer to the voters and score points or else join together to fight together. I think we the Diasporas should think about ways and means to building a solid political union than pondering on what one political group did and this does don't. Their divisions is what brings us to this stagnation therefore, we should be very mindful to making thing worst than it is. Clearly speaking, we have a very long way to go if things remains as they are, as such, the politicians back home refused to come up with a reasonable means towards unification before the next election. Edie

--- On Thu, 16/4/09, SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 6:49 PM

Buharry, Thanks for the enquiry. As you rightly said, i did mention that He stood up to bully. But you have to remember, that statement was based on the initial news stories conveying the manners of his arrest.

After evaluating all his comments pre and post his release, I have no doubt that, there is a likelihood of political point scoring.

Again. if you read my comments properly, you would identify my giving credit to the man for some issues and hoping that, the noise that his arrest generated wasn't going to die down with the soundbites.

I have seen few postings in praise of the bravery and gallantry of Halifa, i did not dispute all of that. But the fact that he utilise the media more than the other leaders doesn't make him the only opposition leader to have spoken on the subject or even did personal enquiry of the people affected.

Halifa as a politician knows how to use the media to his advantage, thus feeding the frenzy and hysteria that always surrounds him from the few key drum beat party followers that feed on his every word. This is not bad in itself, but on serious matters like this, political point scoring are not what is appropriate.

I did not write the piece Buharry to make any one wary of Halifa, but leaving politicians and their comments go unchecked is dangerous. Yes, i know also, some will use every corner to try twist the message in my piece in an attempt to discredit the analysis, but again, that is expected in political dialogue. I am questioning Halifa the politician Buharry, i hope you see it from that angle, just like the politicians in Sweden and England are question for their motives. I know the usual suspects will continue to come out until they feel, they have exonerate the man. But the fact remains, Halifa will always be scrutinise just like other politicians.

Thanks

suntou

--- On Thu, 16/4/09, Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 12:18 AM

Hi Suntou!
I remember you praising Halifa for "standing up to the bully" after 
concurring with Modou Mboge in an earlier post that "the community 
leaders, the women leaders, political leaders etc are all mute but a 
few. The silence is killing." You even went further stating: "Modou, 
you asked a legitimate question, but what about the hundreds of 
Gambians reading you here in the Gambia L forum? If the elders back 
home are mute, one can argue that, may be they are afraid to offend the 
system IE Yahya. But what about the capable brothers and sisters in the 
G-L and G-Post? If they can be quiet in matters likes this, what do you

think will happen when they go to the Gambia?" That is why I have 
trouble reconciling those positions with your latest position on 
Halifa's stance insinuating that he had ulterior motives in "standing 
up to the bully" after all but a few of the leaders and Diasporans kept 
quiet. Do you see the contradictions? First, all but few of the leaders 
and others who should speak out against what was going on kept quiet 
and thus failed in their responsibilities. Then Halifa spoke and took a 
move that landed him at Mile Two and you praised him for "standing up 
to the bully". Now you claim that he had ulterior motives for
"standing 
up to the bully". Can you please help me understand how you came to 
your conclusion? What do you base your insinuations on? I want to keep 
an open mind and maybe even re-evaluate my position on Halifa should 
you be able to throw some light on your claim that he had ulterior

motives for doing what he did. Thanks.
Buharry.
P.S.
Please find the posts I quoted from below.
D.S.
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From: SUNTOU TOURAY [[log in to unmask]]    
Date: 2009-03-11 23:18  
To: <[log in to unmask]>  
Cc:    
Subject: Re: Halifa charged 
DESPERADO. The end is here. Bravo Halifa for standing up to the bully.
Suntou

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From: SUNTOU TOURAY [[log in to unmask]]    
Date: 2009-03-10 16:42  
To: <[log in to unmask]>  
Cc:    
Subject: Re: Halifa Sallah Arrested By Sam Sarr on 09-03-09 

Modou, an intersting statement: "Where are the elders of the country, 
the religious leaders, the community leaders, the women leaders, 
political leaders etc are all mute but a few. The silence is killing." 
M Mboge.

Modou, you asked a legitimate question, but what about the hundreds of

Gambians reading you here in the Gambia L forum? If the elders back 
home are mute, one can argue that, may be they are afraid to offend the 
system IE Yahya. But what about the capable brothers and sisters in the 
G-L and G-Post? If they can be quiet in matters likes this, what do you 
think will happen when they go to the Gambia? they will simply be quiet 
also. reverse psychology.
Some may hide behind 'I don't time and what have you'. It is bogus,
we 
all make time for things that matters to us. and in this freedom news 
paper and Gambia echo era, many of us read the news. how do we do that? 
on the net. Modou you are right, the silence is killing. and for sure, 
Yahya marvel at the fact only a few write about his crimes. this is a 
moral boost for him.
In U.K alone, i heard that more than 15 to 20 ex-military officers 
claimed asylum here. among this folks are former lieutenants and 
captains. They
 knew what is wrong with our army and how yaya use the 
army to get his way around. Apart from Alhagi kanteh and Binneh Minteh, 
which one do hear say anything? Lets us pray, But God/Allah require us 
to speak against injustice and suppression. We are the elders tomorrow, 
the elders now are quiet and many among us are quiet today even those 
whose immediate families have been harmed. Is this how the western 
society works? be silent over bad happenings, they speak out, even 
against children rights, women's rights, rapes, theft, murders, let 
alone politics. many speak but have no interest in holding political 
positions. let decency dictate.
suntou

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----Original Message----
From: [log in to unmask]
Date: 2009-04-15 23:41 
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subj: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?

Jabou, not to bore anyone, i see Halifa as a
 politician, if you see him 
as something else, that is up to you. I cannot control your thought 
processes neither can't you control mine.
So please, cut the deceit talk. this is political discussion, if anyone 
let it boil his/her blood, then you need to start seriously thinking 
about future topics on Halifa as a politician.
This is no deceit folks, this is an opinion. it doesn't matter if 
anyone insult, that is expected in political exchanges.
Deceit, that is a game of politicians especially those that have been 
in it for twenty year plus. As you said, "Gambians are waking up" we 
all hope so. You said some good things in our last exchanges, and some 
erroneous postings, i analyse them on face value. If i am the usual 
suspect in the Halifa questioning, then you guys are the usual 
defenders of the man. I see the usual names coming forward, what does 
that tell us?
What is Halifa's future plans IE in
 politics? he did mentioned that, if 
he loose his Serrekunda seat, he was going to venture in Academia, i 
feel that, he can do both. thus allowing us to analyse his political 
career from Magi Eleg to Voice of the future and presently foroyaa, 
PDOIS and the defunct NADD. It is good opportunity to know the work of 
politicians. Obama too is coming under scrutiny, that is the spirit. 
Haruna has maintain his stance all along, that is defend what should be 
defended and question what need questioning. If that means, ENVY AND 
JEALOUSY, Jealousy of what? 
suntou

--- On Wed, 15/4/09, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 4:27 PM

Haruna,

I know you and those of like mind are proving yourselves to be masters 
in the art to
 twisting good intentions into bad ones, or at least you 
are giving it all you can, but let me re-iterate that what i found 
amazing is your warped view regarding Halifa's intentiones and nothing 
else.You know you cannot  and will never be allowed to put words into 
my mouth, especially disingenous ones.
Away with malicious deceit, especially when it is intended for those 
who do not deserve it and you know I am all for justice and fairness.
I have called Suntou out before on his mission of deciet and malice 
against Halifa that he thinks he can disguise as civil discourse and he 
flatly denied it but here we go again. 
Jabou Joh

-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 8:30 am
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?

Evian,

You're a beautiful man. Thank you also for copying what
 Jabou had 
shared about my notes. I will take the opportunity to address that for 
Laye and Jabou here.

Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 7:50 PM
Jabou shared:
[Haruna wrote:"It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS 
electoral fortunes that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous 
rep orts and eye-witness accounts of it not-withstanding." Wow!. Truly 
amazing.]
Jabou Joh.

Jabou, I'm glad you appreciate the above fact as "Truly amazing".
The 
response was as onerous as the original crime. This world is full of 
mirages. In Halifa's case there is a confluence of mirages: One of 
conscience and the other of interest-peddling. The conscience part 
however triumphs over the interest-peddling part.

[In a message dated 4/15/2009 8:15:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[log in to unmask] writes: 

Jabou, Please excuse my grand dad for when the Tiger
 is in the Woods,]

Evian I want you to know Tiger had already gone home when Suntou shared 
his Oped and the vultures began to descend on him. For no friggin 
reason. Trying to shut the man up.

[he loses some of his reasoning faculties.] Evian.
Do you really think yours truly skips a beat Evian? You jettison your 
own Grand-dad for PDOISard bantanbilly? Mbeemi, Achu! Atay watiladeh? 
Dang-Kutoo le bentehma. bahna!

[Moreover, grand dad just cannot bring himself to give any due credit 
to Halifa.] Evian.
Do y ou ever read or understand my notes on Halifa?? They are always 
chock-full of praise for Halifa's selfless efforts and circumspect and 
sobriety for the clueless PDOISdrones. They want to sweep us all up in 
their cluelessness. I am not a witch.

[Why? Am yet to fully comprehend.] Evian.
I gathered as much. You, like most other PDOISards will never be

satisfied until I begin to worship Halifa for nought. It's in your 
bloods. Its not your fault that's why I never get upset with a 
PDOISard. E-bukay Taw. Alla La kaybaaroo Lom wolbayti. Ekoloobaliyaata, 
Ebuka-keybaa bunyaa! Ila Makkamol fanang mang Timma. Na Fitiyaye deng 
fitiyaye so. Na Lebintiman dem. Ndasimma Nke Nta Hayinni!!!

[Bailo]
How are you getting along in your new home? I hope great. Look forward 
to hearing you more often. You know your former employer is 
international should you not decide to change careers. Personally I 
think you are exceptionally well suited for that line of work. It 
screams out from your notes here and we are all proud of you.

Haruna.

--- On Tue, 14/4/09, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009,
 7:50 PM

Haruna wrote:

"It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS electoral fortunes 
that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous reports and eye-
witness accounts of it not-withstanding."

Wow!. Truely amazing.
Jabou Joh

-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 9:21 am
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?

Laye, Good to hear you again.

Allow me to chime in for a minute.

I totally understand your sentiments vis-a-vis Halifa Sallah and I 
share some of those sentiments. I also understand Suntou's oped and I 
share some of his views. I am of equal opportunity grace. What I see is 
that we risk taking this conversation to the sentimental and ecumenical 
realm as is usually the case when we speak about Halifa, a man who 
aspires to lead Gambia through
 the political party PDOIS. I advise that 
we bear on sobriety.

I take Suntou's oped as a fact-finding query given the fact that 
Gambians have a cynical view of politic king. Perhaps Suntou can yield 
greater perspective on politics in this query. He is not to be 
dismissed for sentimental reasons however. It is natural for a PDOISard 
to be up in arms when=2 0their party leader is questioned but consider 
that with the requisite temerity and discernments, the questioning, 
even if disdainful, can strengthen the leader as well as improve our 
lot as a people.

I commend Halifa for embarking on a fact-finding mission into the witch-
hunting saga as a human being. Witch-hunting is the veritable insult to 
our collective consciences and acumen, especially one sanctioned by 
Yahya, whose faculties are not readily discernible. You have posited, 
and appropriately, that the onus of
 fact-finding in such egregious 
matter is not the reserve of Halifa alone; to wit: "Halifa Sallah is 
not and should not be the only person of dignified conscience amongst 
the leaders or those who claim to be opposition leaders in Gambia. What 
he has done and gone through demonstrates to all and sundry that you, I 
and every human Gambian must not stand aside and look while your fellow 
Gambian and human is being humiliated in the most degrading manner."
Laye, you will therefore agree with Suntou that all Gambians have been 
equally incensed by the saga, but that Halifa being the leader of PDOIS 
had wished to capitalize on common disdain to yield PDOIS greater 
fortune. I am reminded that there are others in PDOIS like Sam, Sidia, 
Amadou, Samba, Suleyman, who could have embarked on the same fact-
finding, but were they to have been arrested, they do not stand an 
equal chance of relief as Halifa had. To
 whom much is given, much more 
is expected.  ;You will see that Halifa himself has shared in his 
defense of the erroneous charges levelled against him by an uncouth and 
clueless prosecutor, that he derived his rights from our common 
constitution and the fact that he is a leader of a political party. Any 
journalist can embark on the fact-finding mission and by dint 
of Halifa's association with the PDOIS party organ Foroyaa, he has 
added umph! These are some of the reasons you feel comfortable in 
comparing
 Halifa to Gambia's other politicians who in your own words and 
disdainfully "claim to be opposition leaders in Gambia." You know
what 
happens to journalists who embark on fact-finding missions including 
Foroyaa journalists. Politics therefore was a major factor in both 
enabling Halifa to embark on a fact-finding mission. Were he not leader 
of PDOIS, proprietor of Foroyaa, a respectable
 contributor to the pan-
African parliament, he may have or may not have entertained the risks 
associated with fact-finding in Gambia.

The broader picture therefore is that even though many Gambians are 
incensed with the witch-hunting grafignette, our political leaders, 
opposition or incumbent, are the ones most empowered to prosecute our 
collective disdains and anxieties. This means that politics is our 
legislative life. Whether Halifa engaged with ulterior=2 0political 
motives or not, is therefore immaterial to me. However, ordinary 
citizens are free to query his motives as much as they are free to 
express repulsion at Yahya's motives and pantomime. It is in the 
explanation and general disposition of PDOIS and Halifa that will yield 
attenuated fortunes.

It is unwise to compare Halifa to our other opposition political 
leaders from both a human standpoint and from a
 colegial view. That I 
think will be the height of conceit and an insult to our collective 
intelligence. And it unfortunately furthers the strictly political 
motive of Halifa and PDOIS. You will realize that we did not get to the 
point of Yahya embarking on repulsive witch-hunting exercises in a 
vacuum. Life is ever so dynamic. Yahya was enabled somehow and I 
suppose that has escaped us. That is the schematics of politics that 
erodes most future and "pure" goodwill.

What Suntou is trying to figure out, is whether there is salvage value 
in the preliminary steps taken by Halifa and whether Halifa can be 
instrumental in yielding that salvage value for commoner good. I submit 
that the best way to achieve that is by all of us enabling our other 
political leaders in APRC, UDP/NRP (NDP), PPP, GPP, and GDP to 
coordinate the prosecution of our legislative life as Gambians. The 
days of
 bunker politics are waning and there are signs everywhere for 
the astute. We did not see any amalgam of forces by our political 
leaders when20Taf-Taf Yahya bereft of Gardens stole Brufut Lands and 
dispossessed Brufutians, nor did we see the same when Halfdiens were 
unscrupulously dispossessed of their homes in the name of port 
expansion.=2 0Witch-hunting and circumstance is tantalizing and a gross 
violation of human rights. But so are the myriad precursor trespasses 
that enabled it. You will realize that Halifa is not easily amenable to
 coordination of effort with other opposition parties. Glaring. The 
witch-hunting fact-finding could yield more tangible results if it were 
actively coordinated. But PDOIS is on a mission that does not seem to 
be common relief. It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS 
electoral fortunes that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous 
reports and
 eye-witness accounts of it not-withstanding. Halifa's 
initial statements on the saga betrays ignorance to warrant a fact-
finding.

That is all for now. - Haruna. Allez-y!! 

In a message dated 4/14/2009 3:43:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[log in to unmask] writes:
Suntu:

Halifa Sallah is not and should not be the only person of dignified
conscience amongst the leaders or those who claim to be opposition
leaders in Gambia. What20he has done and gone through demonstrates to
all and sundry that you, I and every human Gambian must not stand
aside and look while your fellow Gambian and human is being humiliated
in the most degrading manner.=2 0We should be thankful that we know in
Halifa, ONE Gambian that will stand up to the brutalities of the
regime and would rather die or languish in jail than to sit and see
his fellow beings dehumanized in broad day
 light. To insinuate that
Halifa was looking for personal or political gain in the exercise of
liberating his conscience and dignifying the value of human life,
smirks of debilitating ignorance and an insult to his and our
conscience...God forbid!

-Laye

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:08 AM,  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> An interesting oped to ponder Suntou. Discerner-in-Chief!!! I think 
Yahya
> shot himself in the foot. And I'm worried about our two bad left-
eyes. New
> Kambians!!!! Haruna. You pamplemousse!!!
>
> In a message dated 4/13/2009 6:29:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Monday, 13 April 2009
>
> Halifa Factor In Gambia's Witch Hunt debacle
>
> By Suntou Touray
> With the dust almost settled even though facts about the Gambiaâ�?��
?�s witch
> hunting episode may all not be
 known, there=2 0is occasion to reflect 
over the
> whole encounter. Men dressed in red raided settlements in search of 
witches.
> They captured people of decent background and made them consume 
lethal
> concoctions in the name of ridding them off witch craft spirits. Some 
of the
> captives died. Large numbers still remain in biting pains, mostly 
deep in
> their stomach.
> Former Serrekunda East parliamentary member and sociologist Halifa 
Sallah
> was last month arrested and detained at mile 2 prisons for over a 
week. This
> was due to his decision to visit two villages over a witch hunting
> incidence. Halifa after his release commented that he went on a fact 
finding
> mission to the two villages. More accurately put he tried to proof 
whether
> the witch hunting story was actually true or false.
> Halifa was arrested afterward because the
 government felt that, he as 
an
> ordinary citizen of the Gambia who seeking to impersonate the work of 
the
> police or state security agents.
> No doubt Halifa by all regards played brave by what he did. Why he 
did so
> remains a question on wet lips.
> Some people considered it a genuine move by Halifa to prove what 
others
> thought a mere rumour. To others Halifa was in a publicity campaign 
for
> himself and certainly scored political points whether he preferred 
using
> that or not.
> From what came out of the encounter Halifa made us all to know th at 
the
> witch hunting story is real and the actions are sanctioned by Gambia
> government.
> What next after knowing the true story still a valid question for 
curious
> onlookers. Will there be any lawsuit against the government for the 
unlawful
> conduct o f humiliating and harassing
 innocent Gambians?
> The witch hunting episode ended up projecting Halifaâ�?��?�s 
political profile at
> higher levels. He was a victim of arbitrary arrest but that by itself
> arrested the tormenting witch hunt at least until matters settled 
over
> Halifaâ�?��?�s own arrest and brief detention. The whole saga 
eventually shifted
> from the witch hunting focusing on Halifa. That earned him a high 
profile
> victim of the unjust government crime of witch hunting.
> Halifa made noise about the remote control Gambian constitution loud 
enough.
> He defended his action by quoting various sections of the Gambian
> constitution, a document he knows about inside out. Halifa knows too 
well
> also that document is serving one man and one man only, Yahya Jammeh 
the
> current Gambian head of state. Since many Gambians know for a fact 
that
> document
 is not protecting their human rights for a number reasons 
one
> wonders if there was any need for Halifa to labour over 
constitutionality
> this fragrant government encounter with innocent citizens.
> The gains of Halifaâ�?��?�s intervention can double20if he was to 
help the victims
> pursue claims of damage resulting from such inhuman treatment. The 
victims
> deserve good compensation.
> The good efforts of Halifa placed him beyond the single position of 
flag
> bearer PDOIS /NADD to the lofty point of standing tall for Gambian 
people in
>20times of need. This is enough wakeup call for Gambians over length 
and
> breadth of the country to resist the advances of witch hunters. 
Halifa can
> draft a comprehensive law suit against the government as seen truly 
standing
> up for the people. The point of departure would be the constitution, 
a
 book
> fully in Halifaâ�?��?�s firm grips. Impeachment proceedings against

the president
> can be initiated, thus demonstrating severity human rights 
violations.
> The law suits may not bear quicker results but to make the government 
pay
> victims. Through that citizens will go long way in exposing the 
severity of
> state organized crimes.
> We await Halifaâ�?��?�s future actions concerning the witch hunting

debacle.
> Halifaâ�?��?�s political profile is undoubtedly boosted. Other
gains 
exceed
> individual political scores. Yahya should not have arrested Halifa in 
the
> first place. The only reason one would think he ordered his arrest 
was to
> cause wider divide among the ranks of the opposition.
> Halifaâ�?��?�s followers have a talking point- our only saviour
they 
would say.20He
> emerged hero of the
 hour. His arrest has potential to change 
something.
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