Hi Mary, First of all: I did not change the Subject (My June Mail Filter Problem) since it would not appear in the same thread but what you are proposing could result in a junk mail problem in June <grin> I'm sorry,but the logic in downloading unfiltered mail and then trying to use elaborate methods to get rid of the spam escapes me. I know you use Windows Mail but just don't download the junk. There are a couple of things you have to accept: 1.No matter which method you use - you will find good mail in the spambox and vice versa. 2.Because of this, you will have to intervene and check or correct this sometimes. I'll repeat my suggestion:Use the ISP's filter and a mail prechecker. I don't know if Windows Mail has a pre-check function - if so,use it before you download any mail. As an alternative use webmail like Windows Live Mail or GMail. As to the anti-virus question:If the Trend Micro application is not compatible with Vista, remove it. Be aware that removal of these types of applications can be troublesome, so use one of the best uninstallers I know of and use ,which is Revo Uninstaller http://www.revouninstaller.com/ It will do what most uninstallers can't.(and it's free) I would not advise to have 2 av programs on your computer. Apart from the fact that most of them won't even install if another av program is detected,it is also very troublesome to disable one completely and then use the second one. AVG is fine,but why not use one of the best ones,which is Avira? http://www.free-av.com/en/products/index.html Don't get hung up on the email virus scanning -even without a specific email scanning component,the resident av program will detect a virus in your email. Practice safe email management like: Don't download spam - Don't open any suspect mail - Do use a pre-checker. Even av programs can give false positives - if in doubt use VirusTotal for a multiple check http://www.virustotal.com/ As to Ray Parish's comments using Thunderbird: I use it as well among other email collectors - However I don't see the point in downloading the spam to my computer.Anyway, you know my approach <g> Peter E. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [PCSOFT] My June Mail Filter Problem From: Camerons <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: 10-May-2008 12:39:25 AM Thanks for the suggestions. However, my ISP only turns on the spam/junk mail filter at the customer's request. In my case it is not activated. I am using Windows Mail. I did a little more exploring and found that my Trend Micro Antivirus does scan for spam, but I don't want to deactivate THAT because I don't want any viruses to get through to my computer. The Trend site says that this particular program is compatible with all versions of Windows EXCEPT my Vista! Now this program was installed in my computer at time of purchase so you'd think they would have know what was going to work with Vista. Is it possible to successfully download and install a SECOND antivirus program, such as AVG, and simply not use the already installed Trend Micro, unless the AVG has been temporarily turned off? That would give me a double shot at catching any viruses. I know you can't have them both running at the same time. Or should I simply get rid of the Trend Micro and DL AVG? Is their email virus scanning thorough? Thanks any and all. Mary [log in to unmask] PCSOFT's List Owner's: Bob Wright<[log in to unmask]> Mark Rode<[log in to unmask]>