yeah, that's the kind of thing i'm looking for, thank you, buckeye. c In a message dated 4/18/2008 11:50:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Yes, this was going to be my suggestion. A couple years back was the big preservation controversy about whether to remove the Hulett Ore Loaders on the waterfront. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -- To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to: <http://listserv.icors.org/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>