[log in to unmask]>Ralph,--- Please don't use the V you got at the mall. ---][<Sounds like it's time to get out the vaseline. ---RalphDon't bother, neither one of them works, the windows in the living room are still jammed.Do you think if I wrap them in some sweat-stained Carharts and put them into the stream of Buddhist tea, next to the rock, that might get them moving?respectfully submissioned, scissors beats paper