however i guess more people bought it than did not. it did work. I can't imagine Prime minister Thatcher giving that kind of talk. "i had so many oportunities in mind for the faulkland islands." eyes glisening. --- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > i guess we have a different view. > > --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Ken, I saw the 1 minute 45 second. That was not > > whining. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag* > > Tamar Mag Raine > > [log in to unmask] > > www.cafepress.com/tamarmag > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]> > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 10:44:48 AM > > Subject: Re: Obama experience > > > > i know there was a 15 second clip shown by most of > > the > > networks, and there was a clip closer to a minute. > i > > saw the long one with the glisening eyes and the > > whining. i recognize a pity party and that is > > exactly > > what i saw. > > > > also you are right that for a woman to cry under > > adverse circumstances is not negative, but for the > > president to cry under adverse circumstances may > > very > > well be a whole different subject. i am sorry, but > > > she is not running for wife in chief or girl > friend > > in > > chief, she is running for president, commander in > > chief. for the commander in chief to be crying and > > whining is negative. > > > > --- Kathy <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > Humph, just because a woman cries, it's a > negative > > > thing -- it wasn't a pity > > > party! > > > > > > (and besides, she won, so it doesn't seem to > have > > > hurt her chances in the > > > caucus.) > > > > > > Kat > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > From: "ken barber" <[log in to unmask]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:19 AM > > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy > > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > Subject: Re: Obama experience > > > > > > > looked like a pity party to me. > > > > > > > > --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I didn't see the entire hilary thing, but > what > > I > > > did > > > >> see was not crying! I saw hilary being > > passionate > > > >> about the issues she says she cares about. > > There > > > is > > > >> a difference guys! > > > >> > > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >> http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag* > > > >> Tamar Mag Raine > > > >> [log in to unmask] > > > >> www.cafepress.com/tamarmag > > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ---- > > > >> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]> > > > >> To: [log in to unmask] > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:55:29 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: Obama experience > > > >> > > > >> well Virginia, you told me something I did > not > > > know > > > >> about LBJ. > > > >> WAR ON POVERTY..LOOKS LIKE POVETY WON! > > > >> > > > >> WATCHING THE RETURNS, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE > > > >> hILLARY'S DEMISE MIGHT HAVE BEEN EXAGERATED. > > > >> > > > >> sorry i can't seem to keep my fingers off the > > > caps > > > >> lock for some reason. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- Virginia Perry <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Ken, > > > >> > > > > >> > As I understand it, LBJ's health was a > > factor. > > > He > > > >> > didn't want the American public to lose > > another > > > >> > sitting president so soon after Kennedy. > One > > of > > > my > > > >> > sources says LBJ had an actuarial study > done > > in > > > >> 1967 > > > >> > to see how long he had to live. In fact, he > > > died > > > >> in > > > >> > January 1973, so his instinct in that was > > > pretty > > > >> > accurate. Of course, his party wasn't very > > > >> > supportive, either, due to all the flak LBJ > > was > > > >> > taking on Vietnam. I sometimes wonder what > he > > > >> could > > > >> > have accomplished if he hadn't been saddled > > > with > > > >> > Vietnam -- if he'd been able to really > focus > > on > > > >> his > > > >> > War on Poverty. > > > >> > > > > >> > But I guess my overall point was that > > > experience > > > >> > shouldn't always be THE deciding factor in > an > > > >> > election.> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:03:18 > > > -0700> > > > >> > From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: > Re: > > > >> Obama > > > >> > experience> To: [log in to unmask]> > > > > > >> > Virginia, et al,> > Carter ran in '76 as an > > > >> "outside > > > >> > the Beltway" candidate, and relied on his> > > > >> executive > > > >> > experience in Georgia. Reagan ran as an > > > "outside > > > >> the > > > >> > Beltway"> candidate in 1980, and relied on > > his > > > >> > executive experience as Governor of> > > > California. > > > >> > Clinton ran as an "outside the Beltway" > > > candidate > > > >> in > > > >> > '92, and> relied on his executive > experience > > as > > > >> > governor of Arkansas. Johnson had a> lot of > > > >> > Washington experience, and was vice > president > > > >> under > > > >> > Kennedy, which> helped him a lot in his > > > election > > > >> in > > > >> > 1964. It would have been interesting to> > see > > > what > > > >> > would have happened if LBJ had run in '68.> > > On > > > Jan > > > >> > 4, 2008 5:40 PM, Virginia Perry > > > <[log in to unmask]> > > > >> > wrote:> > > Historical note: Nixon won his > > > first > > > >> > term as president at least partly> > > because > > he > > > >> ran > > > >> > as the more experienced candidate (he'd > been > > > >> > vice-president> > before). More experience > > can > > > be > > > >> > better, but it isn't always a guarantee of> > > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ----------------------- To change your mail settings or leave the C-PALSY list, go here: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?SUBED1=c-palsy