Hi Steve; Thanks for the info. How was the band-width on 20 meters? I believe you said you had it up on a push up mast? How high was the mast? Did you find the swr changed as you turned the antenna? The miniquad was lots of years ago but I vaguely recall that one problem I had was the swr changed significantly as I turned the antenna. At the time I suspected that it was because the neighbors house was significantly higher but that was very much a guess. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Forst" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: mini-beams Richard, I'm the guilty party. Using the MQ 24SR made by TGM http://www3.sympatico.ca/tgmc/ I had one of the Butterfly beams when they first came out, but never got it up and sold it in favor of a Mosley TA 33M. Like everything from Butternut it was a pain to put together and promised to be a double pain to tune. If I had the support structure here, the Mosley would be up anot the Mini Quad. Regarding the radials for the vertical? The demensions for the stub tuned radials can be found on the Bencher site in PDF. As I remember it was a hand drawn diagram and I doubt if a screen reader would read it. The twin lead is notched at various points and measurements depend on the VF of the twin lead. This works as low as 40 meters, although it can load on 80, but you should add at least 1 wire for that band, and more is better. If you go ground mounted, lengths aren't critical and a lot of short radials will do a good job. 73, Steve KW3A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fiorello" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: mini-beams > Hi; > While playing with antenna reviews I was looking at small beams such as > the > hf5b. Has anyone here used one? > Someone here was using the Canadian version of the old miniquad. Is it > still in production and what is the manufacturer and model number? > Richard > > >