well, mike i worked for the government for 30 years and saw people mistreated by both democrats and republican administrations. i'll give you this much, it seemed to be a little worse under the republicans as far as your type problems. i'd rate it 55/45. in some other aspects i give the edge the other way. i hope you do better under whoever gets elected, as a matter of fact, i hope i do better under whomever is elected. i think mine will have to go the legal route no matter who wins. maybe yours will go better under the dems if they can get the bureaucrats changed fast enough. . --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > It will barely survive 8 years of Bush... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cerebral Palsy List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of > ken barber > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:56 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: FW: [C-PALSY] what happens if we leave > iraq too quickly > > many libertarians are going with the democrats even > though they traditionally vote with the GOP. > libertarians in general are isolationist and usually > for open borders. both of these goes against the > house > GOP and in the case of the War, against the GOP in > general. > > you know it matters not what i think here. i am a > minority right now. it may be good to see how the > DEMS > do trying to govern after being in the minority for > 14 > years. this nation survived jimmy carter, it will > survive this too. > > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Ken, > > > > > > > > Right now I wish I'd built more credibility as a > > Libertarian; in > > Wyoming, many undecided voters place themselves in > > that group. Because > > of perceived Constitutional abuses by the present > > administration, many > > may vote Democratic in light of a perception that > > the Republicans have > > sold out the Constitution. > > > > In the United States of America, the Bill of > Rights > > is the term for the > > first ten amendments > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_amendment> > > to the United > > States Constitution > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution> > > . These > > amendments explicitly limit the Federal > government's > > powers, protecting > > the rights <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right> > of > > the people by > > preventing Congress > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress> > > from abridging > > freedom of speech > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech> , > > freedom of the press > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press> > > , freedom of assembly > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly> > > , freedom of religious worship > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience> > > , and the right to > > bear arms > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_bear_arms> > , > > preventing > > unreasonable search and seizure > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure> > , > > cruel and unusual > > punishment > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment> > > , > > and self-incrimination > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Const > > itution> , and guaranteeing due process > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process> of law > > and a speedy public > > trial with an impartial jury > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_trial> . > > These rights apply to citizens and non-citizens > > alike. In addition, the > > Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the > > Constitution, of > > certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or > > disparage others > > retained by the people,"[1] > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#_note-0#_note > > -0> and reserves all powers not granted to the > > Federal government to > > the citizenry or States. These amendments came > into > > effect on December > > 15 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_15> , > 1791 > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1791> , when > ratified > > by three-fourths of > > the States. > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights > > > > > > > > The Fifth Amendment states: > > > > > > > > "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, > or > > otherwise infamous > > crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a > > Grand Jury, except in > > cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in > the > > Militia, when in > > actual service in time of War or public danger; > nor > > shall any person be > > subject for the same offence to be twice put in > > jeopardy of life or > > limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case > to > > be a witness > > against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, > > or property, without > > due process of law; nor shall private property be > > taken for public use, > > without just compensation." > > > > > > > > > http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/ > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Consti > > tution > > > > > > > > This is an interesting article on the subject by > > Kate Martin at York > > University. > > > > > > > > > http://www.yorku.ca/crs/Refuge/Abstracts%20and%20Articles/Vol%2020%20No% > > 204/martin.pdf > > > > > > > > As far back as 1953, in KWONG HAI CHEW v. COLDING, > > 344 U.S. 590 (1953), > > the US Supreme Court held that Constitutional > > protections, particularly > > the Fifth Amendment, apply to resident aliens. > > > > > > > > > http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?friend=nytimes&navby=ca > > se&court=US&vol=344&invol=590 > > > > > > > > The links may break, so I encourage you to cut and > > paste as needed to > > reach them. > > > > > > > > Kendall > > > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain > a > > little temporary > > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------- To change your mail settings or leave the C-PALSY list, go here: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?SUBED1=c-palsy