Musa, Glad to hear you did not take offense to my postings. Be assured that our recent exchange was received in good faith. Take care, Salieu >From: musa pembo <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: A Different View Of Sufism >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:56:48 +0100 > >Brother Salieu, >Thanks for your reply.I want to assure you my brother that you have not >offended me at all.You were quite right to present an alternative view to >my >posting.By your posting,people are in a better position to make up their >minds whether sufism is an integral part of Islam or not.The debate on >sufism will continue till the end of time,It is only Allah Subhanahu Wa >ta'ala who knows who is right ,that is why I suggested let us respectfully >agree to disagree on this one and move on as Islam is a very broad/base >religion,different views and opinions should be accommodated as long as it >does not violate certain cardinal principles/doctrines of our beloved >faith. >On second thought,I should not have asked you the loaded question,whether >you were a Salafi or Wahhabi follower.You were therefore quite right to >take >the Fifth Amendment on that one! To this,I offer my profound apology for >any >distress caused to your person. >I sincerely hope this experience/encounter will not put you off/or prevent >you from offering alternative view(s) in the future,for that is the way we >make progress as individuals (or Nation). >Thanks for the alternative view on sufism. >The very best of salam. >Musa amadu. > > >On 19/04/06, Sal Barry <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > Musa / Ginny, > > > > I sense (I could be wrong) that I may have offended you both by the my > > postings on this issue. At the onset my intention was to present a > > diifferent view to the topic in discussion. I agree with you that this > > discussion is not the type that should degenerate to the me-against-you > > level. Penning off on this topic is in order. > > > > As for Musa's question to me *For the record,are you a salafi or Wahhabi > > follower* > > Then my answer to that is I kindly decline to offer an answer. > > > > Cheers > > Salieu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: musa pembo <[log in to unmask]> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > > ><[log in to unmask]> > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > >Subject: Re: A Different View Of Sufism > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:35:55 +0100 > > > > > >Brother Salieu, > > >Thanks for your reply.I have a feeling that you only read the article >by > > >Nuh > > >Ha Mim Keller without continuing with the rest,because if you had done > > that > > >you would have realised that,I quoted the very people you also quoted >in > > >your reply in their own words to avoid the risk of misrepresentation.So > > ,my > > >dear brother,I would suggest that you do that.I will go along with >Sister > > >Ginny's view that if sufism is not for you,you do not have to >participate > > >in > > >it.Leave people who are interest in that intragal path of the faith to > > >follow their conscious and understanding,backed- up by formidable > > evidence > > >from the Faith.At this particular time in the history of Islam,what we >so > > >desperately need is tolerance and understanding,which is in short >supply > > in > > >the camps of salafis and wahhabis.For me,there is far greater things >that > > >binds us as muslims rather than one particular brand of Islam wanting >to > > >dominate the World with their own posturings.I will therefore > > respectfully > > >suggest that we agree to disagree on this one and move one.Brothers and > > >sisters now have enough materials at their disposal to make up their > > >minds.For the record,are you a salafi or Wahhabi follower? > > >The best of salam, > > >Musa > > > > > > > > >On 18/04/06, Sal Barry <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Musa, > > > > > > > > Sufism has been refuted before the time of Imam Abdul Wahab by the > > likes > > > > of > > > > Imam Ahmad, Imam Shaafi'e, Ibn Taymiyah (Eventhough Nuh Ha Mim >Keller > > > > states otherwise below), Ibn Jawzee, and the like. The Wahhabi > > > > Interpretation you mention below can be misleading because it > > indicates > > > > that > > > > Sufi refutaition began during the time of Imam Abdul Wahab to the > > >present. > > > > That is far from being the case. Sufi refutation began as soon as > > Sufism > > > > reared it head. The Islam practised in the Desert of Arabia 1400 >years > > >did > > > > not include believing that the Quran has an outer and inner meaning. > > The > > > > lay > > > > people relegated to understanding the outer meaning and the sheikhs > > > > understanding both. This is undeniably part of the Aqeedah of the > > >Sufis. > > > > > > > > I will state below the statements of some of the scholars regarding > > >sufism > > > > and a refutation of > > > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller's writings and statements. > > > > > > > > WHAT THE ISLAAMIC SCHOLARS HAVE SAID ABOUT SUFISM > > > > > > > > Imaam Ash-Shaa'fee on Sufism: > > > > "If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the >day, > > he > > > > does not come to Dhuhur except an idiot." [Talbees Iblees]. > > > > > > > > "Nobody accompanied the Sufis forty days and had his brain return > > >(ever)." > > > > [Talbees Iblees]. > > > > > > > > Concerning the famous Sufi leader, Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, Imaam Ahmad > > ibn > > > > Hanbaal (R) said: > > > > "Warn (people) from Al-Harith (a Sufi leader) the strongest > > warning!... > > >He > > > > is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)." [Talbees > > Iblis]. > > > > > > > > Sheikh Al-Madkhalee says in his book * "Haqeeqatus Soofiyyah Fee > > Dau'il > > > > Kitaabi Was Sunnah", the following > > > > As for those authentic and well known books by the 'Ulemah that have > > > > refuted > > > > Sufism: > > > > > > > > 1. Al-Fataawaa - by Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah . > > > > 2. Talbess Iblis - by Ibn Al-Jawzy . > > > > 3. Tanbeebul-Ghabee ilaa Takfeer Ibn'Arabee - by Burhaanuddeen > > >Al-Baqaa'ee > > > > . > > > > 4. Tahdheerul-'Ibaad min Ahlil-'Inaad bibid'atil-Ittihaad - by > > >Al-Baqaa'ee > > > > . > > > > > > > > Sufism in the West > > > > By Hani Abid > > > > http://www.alarqam.com > > > > > > > > PART II: Uncovering those who accept, adopt and spread Sufism > > > > > > > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller > > > > Hamza Yusuf Hanson > > > > The Sufi Tradition in Toronto > > > > Abdal-Hakim Murad > > > > > > > > PART II: Uncovering those who accept, adopt and spread Sufism > > > > > > > > Muslims are like a single body, if a virus attacks one part of it, > > then > > > > the > > > > whole body feels it. It is important to remove any viruses that >make > > >the > > > > body ill in order for it to remain healthy and strong. Muslims >today > > >are > > > > very weak because the majority has abandoned the teachings of Quran > > and > > > > the > > > > way of the Prophet PBUH (i.e. his Sunnah). In order to revive the > > >Islamic > > > > spirit and rejuvenate the Muslim body, Muslims have to first rid > > > > themselves > > > > of the viruses that infect their minds, and develop immunity to > > viruses > > >so > > > > as to quickly recognize them and treat them. These viruses are the > > > > Bida'as > > > > that are widespread between Muslims, the cure to which is only >through > > > > returning to the way of the Prophet PBUH and his Sunnah. This is >why > > it > > > > is > > > > a duty on every Muslim to inform his/her fellow Muslims about those > > who > > > > promote such viruses (Bida'as), to expose their false teachings, and > > to > > > > warn > > > > of the dangers that they spread. > > > > There's plenty of evidence to inform us of our duty to speak out > > against > > > > Bida'a and those who accept, adopt, and spread it. Scholars like >Ibn > > > > Taymiya, As-Shatiby, and Ibn Al-Qayyim set the example for us in >their > > > > writings to follow. Ibn Al-Jawzi wrote a wonderful book called > > "Talbees > > > > Iblis" in which he exposed many Bida'as and those who propagate >them. > > >In > > > > the second chapter of "Tablees Iblis" entitled "Censure of Bida'a >and > > > > People > > > > of Bida'a", Ibn Al-Jawzi quotes the following examples: > > > > • Abdullah ibn Umar, may Allah be please with him, narrated >that > > >the > > > > Prophet > > > > PBUH said "Whoever strays away from my Sunnah is not from my >[Ummah]" > > > > (reported by Bukhary). > > > > • A'isha, may Allah be please with her, narrated that the > > Prophet > > > > PBUH said > > > > "whoever respects and honours a person of Bida'a has assisted in > > > > destroying > > > > Islam". > > > > • It was reported that our righteous predecessors were angered > > >when > > > > questioned why they talk about people of Bida'a. One of the >righteous > > > > salaf > > > > said "my speech about people of Bida'a (i.e. warning about them) is > > more > > > > beloved to me than performing extra acts worship for sixty years." > > > > • It was also related that the righteous predecessors said > > >""whoever > > > > loves a > > > > person of Bida'a, Allah will foil his deeds and remove the light of > > >Islam > > > > from his heart". > > > > • Another one said, "be warned of those who sit with people of > > > > Bida'a". > > > > Clearly, this evidence shows that one must expose and warn about > > Bida'a > > > > and > > > > those who spread it. Now that we have established the validity of > > this > > > > act, > > > > we shall proceed to expose those who accept, adopt, and propagate >the > > > > Bida'as of Sufism. > > > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller > > > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller, an American Sufi, became Muslim in 1977 and moved > > to > > > > Jordan where he currently resides. Keller taught at the first Deen > > > > Intensive program in Toronto in 1997 along with Hamza Yusuf and > > others. > > > > Keller is a member of the 'Alawiya Order, one of the branches of > > >Shadhili > > > > Order. 'Alawiya Order is derived from al-'Alawi[1]. Although >Keller > > > > spends > > > > most of his time in Jordan, he still maintains a number of followers > > in > > >in > > > > the West. > > > > In order to cast away any doubt about Keller's belief in the >Shadhili > > > > Tariqa, let's examine Keller's own work. > > > > "Invocations of Shaadhili Order (written by Nuh Ha Mim Keller), on > > Page > > >1, > > > > Keller says: > > > > "This blessed collection contains those of the invocations and >prayers > > >of > > > > the Pole and Succor my master Abul Hasan al-Shadhili". > > > > Comments: The terms "pole" and "succor". The term Pole in Sufi > > >literature > > > > means the "perfect man" who holds Allah's attention in this world; >all > > >the > > > > affairs of creation revolve around him. He takes his way in the > > >universe, > > > > both the seen and unseen parts of it, as the spirit takes its way in > > the > > > > body. He could also be called al-Gouth (Succor, i.e. helper) >because > > > > people > > > > seek his assistance in case of adversity. Ahmad al-Tijani (the > > founder > > >of > > > > the Tijani Sufi order) said, "The reality of the Pole status is that > > he > > >is > > > > great vicegerent of Al-Haqq (i.e. Allah) in all the universe, >wherever > > > > Allah > > > > is a God, the pole is his vicegerent in the sense that he (i.e. the > > >pole) > > > > carries out all the decrees that Allah might have. So, nothing will > > >reach > > > > the creation except through the pole." > > > > In Pages 102-103 Keller says: > > > > "The conduct of the disciple towards the sheikh and brethren >consists > > in > > > > five things: following what the sheikh says, even if something else > > >seems > > > > better; avoiding what he forbids, even if it means one's death; > > >upholding > > > > the sheikh's honor be he absent or present, alive or dead; >fulfilling > > >the > > > > sheikh's rights to the degree possible, without remissness; and > > >suspending > > > > one's intellect, knowledge, and leadership, except as the sheikh > > > > confirms." > > > > Keller on Singing and Dancing > > > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller mentions in his Tariqa Notes that sacred dance is > > one > > >of > > > > the rituals of the Shadhili order. According to him, the sacred >dance > > is > > >a > > > > type of dancing performed by Sufis in unison while they make Dhikr > > > > (remembrance of Allah). To show the permissibility of it, Keller > > argues > > > > that sacred dancing has 3 components: > > > > 1. Dhikr > > > > 2. The dancing itself > > > > 3. Performing it in congregation > > > > Since each of the above components is permissible if not recommended > > in > > > > its > > > > own, therefore –Keller concludes- combining them yields a >permissible > > >act > > > > of > > > > worship. > > > > Keller also promotes and teaches the same misguided Sufi concepts >that > > >we > > > > revealed in Part I. He writes in his book "A review of Tariqa >Notes", > > > > page > > > > 30: > > > > "Nothing is, beside Allah and His Attributes and His actions and His > > > > rulings. This is what is meant by the Sufi term wahdat al-wujud or > > > > (oneness > > > > of being)". > > > > Keller mentions the Sufi concept of oneness of being (Wahdat > > al-wujud). > > > > This concept is explained by a Toronto Sufi group on their website > > >as[3]: > > > > Here are two commentaries from the translator (Wahid Baksh Rabbani) >of > > >The > > > > Kashful Mahjub (Unveiling the veiled) by Syed Ali bin Uthman > > al-Hujweri > > > > about Wahdat al-Wujud: > > > > Page 260 ... "In a nutshell, oneness of Being (Wahdat-al-Wujud) in > > Islam > > > > means that nothing in this world can contain God, but God contains > > > > everything. Or nothing is God, but nothing is separate from God. >That > > is > > > > why > > > > the concept of hulul and ittihad (incarnation) are against the >tenets > > of > > > > Islam. Hulul and ittihad presuppose multiplicity of being; whereas > > Islam > > > > proclaims oneness of Being ... that is Divine Being. This concept of > > God > > > > does not violate the principles of Shari'ah in any way. What happens > > in > > > > the > > > > state of fana-fi-Allah is that man does not become God, but he is >lost > > >in > > > > God's Being. Like an iceberg which when frozen, assumes a separate > > > > existence, and becomes one with the sea when it melts. Similarly, >when > > >the > > > > seeker is in the state of fana, he is one with God and when in baqa, > > he > > > > assumes the shape of an iceberg, cold, hard, and limited." > > > > Page 266 ... "Again Shibli says, 'tauhid veils the Unitarian from > > seeing > > > > the > > > > beauty of His oneness.' This is because tauhid is the act of man, >and > > >the > > > > act of man cannot be the means (illat) of seeing God and what cannot > > be > > > > the > > > > means of seeing God, is necessarily a veil. Man, with all his > > attributes > > > > is > > > > something other than God because if his attributes (sifat) are > > regarded > > >as > > > > Divine Attributes, then man who is the possessor of these attributes > > > > becomes > > > > Divine, and then the Unitarian (muwahhid), Unity (tauhid) and the >One > > > > (wahid) become interdependent. And this is precisely the Christian > > >notion > > > > of > > > > Trinity. The attribute which veils a man from reaching tauhid > > (oneness) > > >is > > > > a > > > > veil. And one who is veiled is not a Unitarian (muwahhid), for other > > >than > > > > God in the universe is non-existent." > > > > Comments: So although the concept of Wahdat al-Wujud rejects that > > unity > > > > with > > > > God means that one becomes God (i.e. the Christian Trinity), it >still > > > > affirms that man is with God physically as nothing exists except >God. > > > > Keller himself confirms this belief of becoming one with God: > > > > page 35 … Keller says "…After this, a person doesn't need figurative > > > > interpretations, because the journey is no longer to Allah, but >rather > > >in > > > > Allah, meaning in the knowledge of him, directly and > > >experientially.""[2] > > > > Of course this is the concept that was invented by Muhyiddin Ibn > > Arabi. > > > > Keller on Ibn Arabi: > > > > On page 42 Keller quotes Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi as saying "…a quality > > >which, > > > > as > > > > sheikh Muhyiddin (Ibn Arabi) notes…" > > > > Comments: Regardless of Ibn Arabi's statement, the simple fact is >that > > > > Keller is quoting a man who was declared a kafir by countless > > > > well-reputable > > > > Muslim scholars. Below are some such fatwas of Muslim scholars on >Ibn > > > > Arabi: > > > > 1. Al'izz Ibn Abdulsalam (d 660 H): He said about Ibn Arabi "An > > >evil > > > > liar > > > > sheikh who claims that this world is eternal (i.e. was not created >by > > > > Allah) > > > > and embraces promiscuity." > > > > 2. Ibn Taymiya (d 728 H): He extensively discussed the >arguments > > of > > > > ibn > > > > Arabi and refuted them and called him a heretic. > > > > 3. Ibn Katheer (d 774 H): Imam ibn Katheer in his book of >Islamic > > > > history- > > > > Al-bidaya Wal Nihaya comments on ibn Arabi "He has a book named >beads > > of > > > > wisdom in which there are many things that are apparently clear >kufr." > > > > 4. Adh-Dhahabi (d 748 H) said: "If Ibn Arabi's book (Beads of > > >wisdom) > > > > does > > > > not contain clear Kufr, then there is no Kufr in the world." > > > > 5. 'Ala' al-Di Al-Bukhari Al-Hanafi declared that: "The one who > > >does > > > > not > > > > consider Ibn Arabi a kaafir (non-Muslim), then he himself is a > > kaafir!" > > > > In fact, Keller not only quotes Ibn Arabi, but he also defends > > > > him. Keller, > > > > in his translation of Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri's "Umdat al-salik" > > >writes: > > > > Muhyiddin ibn Arabi is Muhammad ibn 'Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Arabi, Abu > > >Bakr > > > > Muhyi al-Din al-Hatimi al-Ta'i, The Greatest Sheikh (al-Shaykh > > >al-Akbar), > > > > born in Murcia (in present-day Spain) in 560/1165. A "mujtahid" Imam > > in > > > > Sacred Law, Sufism, Qur'anic exegesis, hadith, and other Islamic > > >sciences, > > > > and widely regarded as a friend (wali) of Allah Most High, he was >the > > > > foremost representative of the Sufi school of the "oneness of being" > > > > (wahdat > > > > al-wujud), as well as a Muslim of strict literal observance of the > > > > prescriptions of the Quran and sunna. > > > > Ibn Arabi's creed is very clear to those who read his works. He > > >advocates > > > > the concept of Hulool, which is a stepping-stone to the concept of > > >Oneness > > > > of Being or "Wahdat al-Wujud". In simple terms, Oneness of Being > > means > > > > that > > > > none exists but Allah, so everything one sees is Allah or a > > >manifestation > > > > of > > > > Allah and this is the Tawhid (oneness or unity) according to some > > >extreme > > > > Sufis. > > > > The purpose of the following examples is to show beyond the shadow >of > > a > > > > doubt what the creed of Ibn Arabi is: > > > > 1. Ibn Arabi declares the worshipers of the Golden Calf were >not > > > > committing > > > > shirk. Found under section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of the Imam in >the > > > > Word > > > > of Harun (Aaron)"[4] > > > > 2. Ibn Arabi criticizes Noah as a messenger. Found under > > section: > > > > "The Seal > > > > of the Wisdom of the Breath of Divine Inspiration in the Word of Nuh > > > > (Noah)"[5] > > > > 3. Ibn Arabi declares the Pharaoh died a believer > > (Muslim). Found > > > > under > > > > section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of Sublimity in the Word of Musa > > > > (Moses)"[6] > > > > Ibn Arabi also says in his book "Fusus al-Kikam"[7]: > > > > 1. "He is the observer in the observer, and the observed in the > > > > observed. > > > > None sees Him, save Himself. None perceives Him, save Himself. By > > >Himself > > > > he > > > > sees Himself, and by Himself he knows Himself. His Veil is part of >his > > > > Oneness; nothing veils other than he. . . His Prophet is he, and his > > > > sending > > > > is He, and His word is He. > > > > 2. He who knows himself understands that his existence is not >his > > >own > > > > existence, but his existence is the existence of God." > > > > Yet with all these proofs, Keller still calls Ibn Arabi "the >Greatest > > > > Shaykh"! Ibn Taymiya writes in his book al-Uboodiya about Ibn Arabi > > and > > > > those who adopt his beliefs: > > > > The most horrifying Kufr > > > > Therefore, anyone who witnesses the universal truth without the > > >religious > > > > truth will hold equal all these types of people whom Allah (SWT) has > > >made > > > > an > > > > ultimate distinction between. This reconciliation will eventually > > >conduce > > > > him to even reconcile between Allah (AWJ) and the idols, as Allah > > (SWT) > > > > said > > > > about this type of people. > > > > By Allah, we were truly in a manifest error. When we held you (false > > > > deities) as equals (in Al-'Ibaadah) with the Lord of the Worlds. > > > > [Ash-Shu'araa:97-98] > > > > They eventually reach the point where they reconcile between Allah > > (AWJ) > > > > and > > > > every existing being. And they considered all that which He (AWJ) > > >deserves > > > > of 'Ibaadah and obedience as being due to every existing created >thing > > > > since > > > > they made His (AWJ) existence the same as the existence of the >created > > > > things. This is of the most horrifying Kufr and atheism towards the > > Lord > > > > of > > > > all the beings. They reach by their Kufr the point where they do not > > >bear > > > > witness that they are 'Ibaad-u-Allah, neither by the meaning of the > > > > subdued > > > > ones nor by the meaning of the worshiping ones. They witness that >they > > > > themselves are the Truth as has been declared by their false idols, > > e.g. > > > > Ibn > > > > Arabi who wrote "Al-Fousous," and other slandering atheists such as > > Ibn > > > > Sab'een and his like. They even witness that they are simultaneously > > the > > > > worshipers and the ones being worshiped. > > > > This, indeed, is not the witnessing of the truth, neither the > > universal > > > > one > > > > nor the religious one, but it is rather a going astray and a >blindness > > > > from > > > > witnessing the universal truth, for they made the existence of the > > >Creator > > > > the same as that of the created. They made every good and bad >quality > > as > > > > an > > > > attribute to both the Creator and the created, for they consider the > > > > existence of the former as being the same as the existence of the > > >latter. > > > > But the believers in Allah (SWT) and His Messengers, both commoner >and > > > > elite, are the people of the Quran, as the Prophet PBUH said, >"Verily, > > > > Allah > > > > has (favorite) people amongst mankind." He was asked, "Who are they? >O > > > > Messenger of Allah." He replied, "The people of Al Quran, they are > > >people > > > > of > > > > Allah and His elite." > > > > The Kufr of those who believe in the incarnation > > > > These people know that Allah (SWT) is the Lord, the Owner, and the > > >Creator > > > > of everything. And that the Creator is different from the created > > being. > > > > He > > > > (SWT) is neither incarnated in the being nor combined with him, nor >is > > >His > > > > (SWT) existence the same as the being's existence. Indeed, the > > >Christians > > > > were not declared by Allah (SWT) as Kuffar (unbelievers) except for > > that > > > > they believed in the incarnation and combination of Allah (SWT) with > > > > Al-Maseeh (Jesus). So how about those who made this true about every > > > > creature? Yet, they know fully well that Allah (SWT) ordered >obedience > > >to > > > > Him (AWJ) and obedience to His Messengers, and that Allah (SWT) does > > not > > > > like corruption nor approves Al-Kufr for His 'Ibaad. And all the > > >creation > > > > ought to worship Him (SWT) so that they obey His commands, and ask >for > > >His > > > > aid to fulfill that; as He (AWJ) said in the Opening of the >Scripture: > > >It > > > > is > > > > You we worship and it is You we ask for help. [Al-Faatihah:5] > > > > The above examples are just a brief illustration of the misguidance >of > > >Nuh > > > > Ha Mim Keller. Muslims, especially young ones, have to know the >truth > > > > about > > > > such people so they're not deceived by their appearances or > > words. Even > > > > the > > > > name that Keller adopted (Ha Mim) shows his commitment to bida'a. > > >Keller > > > > explains Ha Mim as: "Ha Mim Ha Mim, Ha Mim, Ha Mim, Ha Mim. The >matter > > >be > > > > done, the victory come, against us they shall not be helped". > > > > > > > > INVOCATIONS OF SHAADHILI ORDER BY NUH HA MIM KELLER > > > > > > > > > > > > > >HTTP://WWW.ALLAAHUAKBAR.NET/INDIVIDUAL_CALLERS/NUH_HA_MIM/INVOCATIONS_OF_SHAADHILI_ORDER.HTM > > > > > > > > A REVIEW OF 'TAREEQA NOTES' A BOOK BY NUH HA MIM KELLER > > > > > > > > > > > > > >HTTP://WWW.ALLAAHUAKBAR.NET/INDIVIDUAL_CALLERS/NUH_HA_MIM/A_REVIEW_OF_TAREEQA_NOTES_OF_NUH_HA_MIM.HTM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Ginny et all, > > > > >Ginny Thanks for your contribution on the subject.I have been away > > from > > > > my > > > > >computer since last Thursday.I just saw the posting forwarded by > > >Brother > > > > >Salieu offering a different view on sufism,Which is most > > welcome.Which > > >I > > > > >may > > > > >say is the Wahhabi interpretation or attitude towards > > >Tasawwuf(sufism).I > > > > >am > > > > >not at all surprised.Wahhabis are diametrically opposed to the > > practice > > > > and > > > > >will go to any length to rubbish the writings of sufi writers and > > > > >practitioners.However,I will now present the views of Scholars so > > that > > > > >people can judge for themselves.At this point,I must declare an > > > > >interest.Iam a sunni muslim and a sufi practitioner. > > > > > *How would you respond to the Claim that Sufism is bid'a?* > > > > >*(c)Nuh Ha Mim Keller 1995* > > > > > > > > > > > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > >Gambia-L > > > > Web interface > > > > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > > > > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > > > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > > > > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > > > [log in to unmask] > > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > > > > > > > > >¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L > > >Web interface > > >at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > > >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > >http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > > >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > >[log in to unmask] > > >¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the >Gambia-L > > Web interface > > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > > > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: > > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l > > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: > > [log in to unmask] > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ > > > >¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L >Web interface >at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html > >To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: >http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] >¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤