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Kathy Jo,
The email address to send a message to the list is:
[log in to unmask]
If you want to post via the web site that address is:
http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?P1&L=c-palsy
Let me know if you have any problems. It's very quiet right now as
we're still in mourning for Bobby.
Kat
On 10 Mar 2006, at 08:45, Kathy Pink wrote:
> Kat, use both. What's the addy to post to the C-PALSY List? Kathy
> Jo Pink
>
>
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>
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> Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> KJP, you have been added using the yahoo.com address but you should
> know you're also subscribed under your HotMail account. Do you want
> me to delete that address?
>
> Kat
>
>
> On 9 Mar 2006, at 20:50, Anthony Arnold wrote:
>
> > Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been much too busy at work lately again, but before I forget
> > again,
> > Kathy Jo Pink wants to join our list again. I would personally
> > recommend
> > subscribing her to the [log in to unmask] address.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> > Visit my website at
> > www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Kathy Pink [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:53 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: C-PALSY
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to join the C-PALSY List. Please give Kat both of
> > these e-mail
> > addresses [log in to unmask] and [log in to unmask] .
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Yahoo! Mail
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> > photomail.mail.
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:34:53 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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Kathy Jo, St Johns quit hosting all mailing list and
that included ours.
I recieved an email about the 18th of Feb. from
Bobby's daughter, Judy telling me that Bobby had
passed away. I later learned it was congestive heart
failure. I forwarded this bad news to the list.
I think we all miss him greatly.
--- Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> What happened to St. John's University and to
> Bobby?
>
>
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>
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> >From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Fwd: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
> >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:12:33 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >
> >Note: forwarded message attached.
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:43:40 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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good point, kat. it is going to get to be a point of
contention in public discussion and will find its way
into politics. i would think it will get to a point
that a line will have to be drawn. maybe at the self
inflicted problems. but, then we get into what is self
inflicted. i personally think that some overweight
people have it in their genes, others thinks it is all
a will power thing. and that will be true of so other
ills.
--- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> You do have a valid point, Ken but what's next,
> penalizing people
> because they're overweight? Yes, I think we'll be
> at that point
> soon. And then what's next, charging higher
> premiums for group
> members with disabilities because they incur higher
> costs?
>
> Kat
>
> On 12 Mar 2006, at 20:42, ken barber wrote:
>
> > just to stir the pudding a little. yes, there is
> > privacy rights, but then should employers have to
> pay
> > higher insurance rates for what someone decides to
> do
> > at their home? one might have to give up some
> rights
> > to keep from trampling on the rights of employers
> to
> > not hire someone who is going to drive up his cost
> of
> > doing business. stir it up just a bit.
> >
> > --- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> You mean susceptible, don't you? And yes, some
> >> people are more
> >> likely to get lung cancers than others, but
> remember
> >> that it's not
> >> all genetics or all environmental causes. It's a
> >> combination of the
> >> two and very hard to predict.
> >>
> >> My mother died of a fast-killing lung disease -
> not
> >> cancer - that was
> >> likely related to her working with toxious
> chemicals
> >> when working for
> >> the film industry in Hollywood in the 1940s and
> >> 1950s. She did
> >> smoke, but doctors didn't think her disease was
> >> triggered by the
> >> smoking. My opinion is, it might not have been
> the
> >> direct cause but
> >> it certainly didn't help her any.
> >>
> >> I myself smoked for seven years but I never
> smoked
> >> more than a half a
> >> pack a day and found it very easy to quit and
> it's
> >> been almost 30
> >> years since I quit. I don't like eating in
> >> restaurants that still
> >> have smoking sections, and I think it's fine to
> >> outlaw smoking in
> >> public places, but I don't think anyone has any
> >> right to tell smokers
> >> they can't smoke in the privacy of their own
> homes.
> >>
> >> Kat
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12 Mar 2006, at 15:23, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is a real good question that Kathy Jo
> brought
> >> up, are some
> >>> people more
> >>> acceptable for developing lung cancer than
> others
> >> are? For
> >>> example, my
> >>> Grandpa smoked for over 60 years, and never
> really
> >> had any major
> >>> health
> >>> problems according to my knowledge.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Anthony
> >>> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >>
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: lynette smilelaughgiggle <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
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Hi All,
I am a parent who has been to Poland 9 times and represented Euromed, Poland
for 5 years. I am now with Sunshine Therapy and the NeuroSuit, which is a
suit with a arm and glove component. We train both parents and therapists
all over the US/world.
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his hands.
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen pump,
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)
www.geocities.com/codylol
www.neurosuit.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:58:50 -0500
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What kind of surgery=3F
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in thei=
r
sigs=3F I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive=2E Just my tuppence=2E
Kat
Original Message:
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From: lynette smilelaughgiggle lynette=5Fteach@HOTMAIL=2ECOM
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: C-PALSY@LISTSERV=2EICORS=2EORG
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery=3F
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands=2E=20
Has anyone experienced this with their child=3F Cody has a baclofen pum=
p,=20
got us through puberty=2E=2E=2E=2Estill a never ending battle=2E
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=20
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:28:14 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
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Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
particularly adults.
I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
not as necessary.
I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
What kind of surgery?
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
their
sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
Kat
Original Message:
-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands.=20
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
pump,=20
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=20
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:10:07 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
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I don't need a Baclofen pump personally (thank the lord), but I have some
friends who have seen some reasonable success with theirs, but I do want to
throw out a question. How important is it that Baclofen patients have their
refills on a timely manner, let's say I was displaced by a hurricane, would
locating a doctor to refill it be a high concern?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
particularly adults.
I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
not as necessary.
I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
What kind of surgery?
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
their
sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
Kat
Original Message:
-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands.=20
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
pump,=20
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=20
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:22:27 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
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Anthony,
I'd think so, for two reasons:
1. Janet's doc said that there can be some nasty withdrawal symptoms if
the pump runs out, and=20
2. The pump could be damaged.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
I don't need a Baclofen pump personally (thank the lord), but I have
some
friends who have seen some reasonable success with theirs, but I do want
to
throw out a question. How important is it that Baclofen patients have
their
refills on a timely manner, let's say I was displaced by a hurricane,
would
locating a doctor to refill it be a high concern? =20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
particularly adults.
I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
not as necessary.
I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
Kendall=3D20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
What kind of surgery?
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
their
sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
Kat
Original Message:
-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands.=3D20
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
pump,=3D20
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=3D20
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:35:37 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: STEVEN FILLINICH <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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DEAR MR. CORBETT,
DO YOU KNOW WHERE SPECIAL OLYMPICS FOR THE PHYSICALLY DISABLED IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW WHO DOSE?
THANK YOU,
STEVE FILLINICH
Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
particularly adults.
I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
not as necessary.
I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
What kind of surgery?
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
their
sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
Kat
Original Message:
-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands.=20
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
pump,=20
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=20
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:44:32 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
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Anthony,=20
Luckily in Wyoming, hurricanes aren't a big concern! ;-{)} For those
people who were displaced by Katrina, or any disaster, refills could be
an issue, though. The refill process is fairly straightforward, so I'd
think someone could go to a hospital if necessary, and get a refill
there, as long as they had access to the dosage information for a
refill. Janet's neurologist is in Cheyenne (about 50 miles away, so
we'll get a backup plan in place with a doctor locally, since the road
to Cheyenne has been known to get closed by snowstorms.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Kendall David Corbett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Anthony,
I'd think so, for two reasons:
1. Janet's doc said that there can be some nasty withdrawal symptoms if
the pump runs out, and=20
2. The pump could be damaged.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
I don't need a Baclofen pump personally (thank the lord), but I have
some
friends who have seen some reasonable success with theirs, but I do want
to
throw out a question. How important is it that Baclofen patients have
their
refills on a timely manner, let's say I was displaced by a hurricane,
would
locating a doctor to refill it be a high concern? =20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
particularly adults.
I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
not as necessary.
I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
Kendall=3D20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
What kind of surgery?
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
their
sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
Kat
Original Message:
-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands.=3D20
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
pump,=3D20
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=3D20
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:57:29 -0700
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From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
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Steve,
There is national contact info for Special Olympics at=20
http://www.specialolympics.org/Special+Olympics+Public+Website/default.h
tm
or by writing or calling
Special Olympics
1133 19th Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036 USA
+1 (202) 628-3630
Fax: +1 (202) 824-0200
I'm sure that they can give you info on your local Special Olympics
organization, or email me and let me know where you are and I'll help
you track down the info for your community.
The Paralympics are going on right now in Torino Italy as well, and info
on that can be found at: http://www.paralympic.org/
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: STEVEN FILLINICH [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:36 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
DEAR MR. CORBETT,
DO YOU KNOW WHERE SPECIAL OLYMPICS FOR THE PHYSICALLY DISABLED IF YOU
DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW WHO DOSE?
=20
THANK YOU,
STEVE FILLINICH
=20
Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
particularly adults.
I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
not as necessary.
I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
Kendall=3D20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
What kind of surgery?
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
their
sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
Kat
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-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands.=3D20
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
pump,=3D20
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=3D20
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:09:06 -0600
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I think a gal I know once was at camp, and for some reason they decided to
wait to refill hers until after returning from camp, and something happened
causing a withdrawal, and she almost past away. Sure there are lots of
positives gained from the treatment, but I feel you really have to have a
good support team.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Anthony,
I'd think so, for two reasons:
1. Janet's doc said that there can be some nasty withdrawal symptoms if
the pump runs out, and=20
2. The pump could be damaged.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
I don't need a Baclofen pump personally (thank the lord), but I have
some
friends who have seen some reasonable success with theirs, but I do want
to
throw out a question. How important is it that Baclofen patients have
their
refills on a timely manner, let's say I was displaced by a hurricane,
would
locating a doctor to refill it be a high concern? =20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
particularly adults.
I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
not as necessary.
I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
Kendall=3D20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
What kind of surgery?
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
their
sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
Kat
Original Message:
-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands.=3D20
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
pump,=3D20
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=3D20
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Yep, that's why we're getting a backup set up here in Laramie as well as
learning everything we can from her neurologist in Cheyenne. From what
we've found, the pump is the best solution for Janet's spasticity and
dystonia.
We went to Colorado Springs to get the pump implanted because the doctor
down there was the best in the region, and one of the top 5 in the
country.
Withdrawal symptoms can also be lessened by use of oral Baclofen, and
we'll definitely talk to the docs about what to do if there's a pump
malfunction.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:09 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
I think a gal I know once was at camp, and for some reason they decided
to
wait to refill hers until after returning from camp, and something
happened
causing a withdrawal, and she almost past away. Sure there are lots of
positives gained from the treatment, but I feel you really have to have
a
good support team. =20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Anthony,
I'd think so, for two reasons:
1. Janet's doc said that there can be some nasty withdrawal symptoms if
the pump runs out, and=3D20
2. The pump could be damaged.
Kendall=3D20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
I don't need a Baclofen pump personally (thank the lord), but I have
some
friends who have seen some reasonable success with theirs, but I do want
to
throw out a question. How important is it that Baclofen patients have
their
refills on a timely manner, let's say I was displaced by a hurricane,
would
locating a doctor to refill it be a high concern? =3D20
Thanks,=3D20
Anthony=3D20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
particularly adults.
I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
not as necessary.
I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
Kendall=3D3D20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D3D20
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
What kind of surgery?
And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
their
sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
Kat
Original Message:
-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
hands.=3D3D20
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
pump,=3D3D20
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=3D3D20
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:36:05 -0600
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From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
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Thanks, Mag! I don't know. I don't think so. Do you want me to see if I
can find out?
>From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:04:20 -0800
>
>good to see you again Kathy Jo!
>Do they do job training at cornerstone?
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/12/2006 11:57:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> >
> > ECHO !!! Well Said, Mag!
> >
> >
> > >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:14:47 -0800
> > >
> > >This made me so sad. The next time anybody says you can't get cancer
>from
> > >second hand smoke, remind them of this lovely lady...
> > >
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > >
> > >
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Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
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What question did I bring up, anthony?
>From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:23:22 -0600
>
>This is a real good question that Kathy Jo brought up, are some people more
>acceptable for developing lung cancer than others are? For example, my
>Grandpa smoked for over 60 years, and never really had any major health
>problems according to my knowledge.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Kathy Pink
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:23 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>
>That's right, She used to go in to smoky bars to perform , etc.. I attend
>Dayservice (thru Cornerstone) every week (usually on Thursdays) (yes I am
>STILL going there) (yes, I might follow -up with an e-mail post sometime
>about that) with a female (there is more than one female client that
>attends
>
>Dayservice at Cornerstone ). This particular client has tried everything
>to
>
>stop smoking. My grandpa (who died in 1990) used to to smoke and I thought
>I would get cancer from him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
> >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:53:36 -0800
> >
> >It might help more if they gave smokers Quitting kits, with gum, patches,
> >etc.
> >
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/11/2006 3:34:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
> > >
> > > I haven't really paid very much attention to this development, but the
> >day
> > > or 2 after Mrs. Reeves past away, the Governor of Kentucky announced a
> > > proposal (I think it hasn't officially been decided upon) to charge
> >state
> > > employees who smoke a higher rate for insurance (I think only by $25)
>to
> > > urge them to quit. I personally don't smoke and don't like being
>around
> >it,
> > > so I don't feel like waging a viewpoint, but whatever it takes to have
> > > people maintain good health status, I feel is only right of a
>employer.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf
> >Of
> > > Magenta Raine
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:28 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
> > >
> > > she used to sing in smokey bars and stuff like that, so second-hand
> >smoke
> > > was a factor for her, but as you say there are other factors..
> > >
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> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 3/11/2006 1:28:45 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
> > > >
> > > > Now, I'd be the first to admit that I read the news stories in a
> > > > hurry these days as I'm so busy, but I don't recall reading that she
> > > > was exposed to a lot of second-hand smoke. I do know that there has
> > > > been a significant number of lung cancers found in relatively young
> > > > people who have never smoked in their lives, nor have been exposed
>to
> > > > smoke. They could have a genetic predisposition towards getting
> > > > these types of lung cancers.
> > > >
> > > > I also vaguely recall reading that these types of cancer cells are
> > > > different from the types of lung cancer cells found in the lungs of
> > > > heavy smokers. Perhaps Meir could enlighten us on this?
> > > >
> > > > Kat
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11 Mar 2006, at 16:14, Magenta Raine wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This made me so sad. The next time anybody says you can't get
> > > > > cancer from
> > > > > second hand smoke, remind them of this lovely lady...
> > > > >
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> > > >
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KJP,
I suggest you go to the archives and catch up on things. It's not =20
been really active but you can read the messages that have been =20
posted since you went on holiday.
Kat
On 13 Mar 2006, at 12:34, ken barber wrote:
> Kathy Jo, St Johns quit hosting all mailing list and
> that included ours.
> I recieved an email about the 18th of Feb. from
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> I think we all miss him greatly.
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:50:15 -0800
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The real question should be, do you, kjp want to find out about employment
options? If you are interested in becoming self suficient, you might want
to pursue it.
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/13/2006 1:36:09 PM
> Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
>
> Thanks, Mag! I don't know. I don't think so. Do you want me to see if I
> can find out?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:04:20 -0800
> >
> >good to see you again Kathy Jo!
> >Do they do job training at cornerstone?
> >
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> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/12/2006 11:57:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > >
> > > ECHO !!! Well Said, Mag!
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > > >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:14:47 -0800
> > > >
> > > >This made me so sad. The next time anybody says you can't get cancer
> >from
> > > >second hand smoke, remind them of this lovely lady...
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:45:25 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
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KJP,
Why are you asking Mag what she wants? That's not important - what's =20=
important is what YOU think. What do you want? You can wish as hard =20=
as you want to achieve independence but unless you get off your butt =20
and do something, you'll never get there. Mag can't make the =20
decision for you. I can't, your family can't, your social worker =20
can't, your priest can't. The only person who can is you.
We will support you and applaud you whichever step you take towards =20
independence but you and only you can start it. I am actually afraid =20=
that if you wait too long, you'll find it too difficult and give up. =20=
Take it from one who's seen others struggle -- the longer you wait, =20
the harder it will be to change and take control of your life.
Kat
On 13 Mar 2006, at 16:36, Kathy Pink wrote:
> Thanks, Mag! I don't know. I don't think so. Do you want me to =20
> see if I can find out?
>
>> From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
>> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:04:20 -0800
>>
>> good to see you again Kathy Jo!
>> Do they do job training at cornerstone?
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Date: 3/12/2006 11:57:37 AM
>> > Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
>> >
>> > ECHO !!! Well Said, Mag!
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>> > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > >Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
>> > >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:14:47 -0800
>> > >
>> > >This made me so sad. The next time anybody says you can't get =20
>> cancer from
>> > >second hand smoke, remind them of this lovely lady...
>> > >
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>> > >
>> >
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:51:43 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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Thanks, Kendall, for amplifying what I was trying to say. I can see
the need for such sigs on a parents' list, but here, where most of us
are the CPs, I feel it can be a bit degrading. I hate having a label
slapped on me, and I think such sigs aren't really appropriate here.
I see it rather like being in hospital and hearing a doctor refer to
you as "the broken leg in Room Four-oh-five." (and yes, that did
happen to me, and I was most annoyed at the time!).
Now, that is not to say that I'm going to make a rule and enforce it;
that'd be silly. I'm just voicing my opinion.
Kat
On 13 Mar 2006, at 14:28, Kendall David Corbett wrote:
> I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
> mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
> most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
> their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people
> join,
> it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay
> on the
> list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline
> descriptor is
> not as necessary.
>
> I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still
> meeting
> our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
> C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> What kind of surgery?
>
> And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
> their
> sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but
> frankly I
> find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
>
> Kat
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
> hands.
> Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
> pump,
> got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
>
> Blessings,
> Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:44:32 -0800
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Oh so it was congestive heart failure. what a shame... I really miss
bobby's messages. what a pity.
do you know how Judy is doing, ken?
Mag
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/13/2006 2:44:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
>
> KJP,
>
> I suggest you go to the archives and catch up on things. It's not =20
> been really active but you can read the messages that have been =20
> posted since you went on holiday.
>
> Kat
>
> On 13 Mar 2006, at 12:34, ken barber wrote:
>
> > Kathy Jo, St Johns quit hosting all mailing list and
> > that included ours.
> > I recieved an email about the 18th of Feb. from
> > Bobby's daughter, Judy telling me that Bobby had
> > passed away. I later learned it was congestive heart
> > failure. I forwarded this bad news to the list.
> > I think we all miss him greatly.
> >
> > --- Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What happened to St. John's University and to
> >> Bobby?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Fwd: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
> >>> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:12:33 -0800 (PST)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Note: forwarded message attached.
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:44:35 -0800
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From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
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The service provider had a seminar last week. The guy from CARD said to
keep not only an extra month's supply of your meds in your grab and go bag,
but to make printed copies of all your prescriptions and put them in
secure plastic bag, (or I think I will get mine laminated), He also said
that the email circulating about triangle of life is probably NOT good
advice for a number of reasons. also said those in the US probably don't
have the same issues with buildings falling as those in Asia.
He says there is not anything a terrorist can do, that can't already
happen, so he doesn't lose sleep over it. By that he means, there will
always be fires, explosions, mother nature in the form of floods and
earthquakes and forest fires... if we are prepared for those, we are
prepared for terrorist attacks.
The seminar was great, and I am going to update my grab and go box to a
duffel bag, complete with trash bags and duct tape. he explained you can
use those items to make a port-a-potty, use them as room dividers, even as
clothes, or shoe covering when you are walking in a disaster zone.
The seminar made me think about our Kyle Cleveland. Has anybody heard from
him? How is he?
ah, so much to get done, so little time.
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/13/2006 1:20:45 PM
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> Yep, that's why we're getting a backup set up here in Laramie as well as
> learning everything we can from her neurologist in Cheyenne. From what
> we've found, the pump is the best solution for Janet's spasticity and
> dystonia.
>
> We went to Colorado Springs to get the pump implanted because the doctor
> down there was the best in the region, and one of the top 5 in the
> country.
>
> Withdrawal symptoms can also be lessened by use of oral Baclofen, and
> we'll definitely talk to the docs about what to do if there's a pump
> malfunction.
>
> Kendall=20
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:09 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> I think a gal I know once was at camp, and for some reason they decided
> to
> wait to refill hers until after returning from camp, and something
> happened
> causing a withdrawal, and she almost past away. Sure there are lots of
> positives gained from the treatment, but I feel you really have to have
> a
> good support team. =20
>
> Thanks,=20
> Anthony=20
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> Kendall David Corbett
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:22 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> Anthony,
>
> I'd think so, for two reasons:
>
> 1. Janet's doc said that there can be some nasty withdrawal symptoms if
> the pump runs out, and=3D20
> 2. The pump could be damaged.
>
> Kendall=3D20
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:10 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> I don't need a Baclofen pump personally (thank the lord), but I have
> some
> friends who have seen some reasonable success with theirs, but I do want
> to
> throw out a question. How important is it that Baclofen patients have
> their
> refills on a timely manner, let's say I was displaced by a hurricane,
> would
> locating a doctor to refill it be a high concern? =3D20
>
> Thanks,=3D20
> Anthony=3D20
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> Kendall David Corbett
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:28 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> Janet had surgery on the 3rd for a Baclofen pump; it's only been 10
> days, and she hasn't reached her final dosage level yet, but it appears
> to be having a noticeable positive impact on both her spasticity and
> dystonia. We found a great doctor in Colorado Springs, who'd done his
> residency and fellowship at the two places in the country that have
> published the most research on Baclofen pumps in people with CP,
> particularly adults.
>
> I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
> mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
> most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
> their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people join,
> it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay on the
> list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline descriptor is
> not as necessary.
>
> I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still meeting
> our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
> C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
>
> Kendall=3D3D20
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D3D20
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> What kind of surgery?
>
> And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
> their
> sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but frankly I
> find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
>
> Kat
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
> hands.=3D3D20
> Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
> pump,=3D3D20
> got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
>
> Blessings,
> Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)=3D3D20
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:58:10 -0800
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From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
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I am with you, Kat....it harkens back to when people thought of us as "the
cerebral palsied children" I brought this issue up previously, I have no
mention of my disabilities in my sig either... it seems so odd, because if
they stay on a parents group, they are bond to learn what each person has
in the way of a child with cp. What we have been doing for 20 or 30 years
in getting person-centered language, and then these parents come along and
LABEL their own kids! sigh...
It's true I wrote a poem in the 80's called the cerebral palsy lady, but
it's very empowering... but to label yourself or your own kid "parent to
lisa with athetoid dystonic cp...." well, there - that's my opinion, the
parents can take it or leave it.
Mag
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/13/2006 6:15:03 PM
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> Thanks, Kendall, for amplifying what I was trying to say. I can see
> the need for such sigs on a parents' list, but here, where most of us
> are the CPs, I feel it can be a bit degrading. I hate having a label
> slapped on me, and I think such sigs aren't really appropriate here.
> I see it rather like being in hospital and hearing a doctor refer to
> you as "the broken leg in Room Four-oh-five." (and yes, that did
> happen to me, and I was most annoyed at the time!).
>
> Now, that is not to say that I'm going to make a rule and enforce it;
> that'd be silly. I'm just voicing my opinion.
>
> Kat
>
> On 13 Mar 2006, at 14:28, Kendall David Corbett wrote:
>
> > I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
> > mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
> > most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
> > their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people
> > join,
> > it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay
> > on the
> > list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline
> > descriptor is
> > not as necessary.
> >
> > I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still
> > meeting
> > our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
> > C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
> >
> > Kendall
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
> >
> > What kind of surgery?
> >
> > And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
> > their
> > sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but
> > frankly I
> > find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
> >
> > Kat
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
> > hands.
> > Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
> > pump,
> > got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
> >
> > Blessings,
> > Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> > http://mail2web.com/ .
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:07:43 -0800
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Exactly what I wrote to Kathy Jo...
Shaking my head..... KJ, the reason I asked was so YOU could get into it if
you wanted to. It doesn't matter what I want. What you want is important to
you. I feel like I am talking to a wall sometimes. And I agree with Kat,
the longer you wait, the harder it will be to break through to
independence. Look up on the web the name cary hammis and micro-enterprise.
Perhaps they have somebody in Wisconsin who can help you find your "friday
night passion" for me it is painting and advocacy. for others it's other
things. And if you don't know all the words, look on the web for english
dictionaries.
Mag
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/13/2006 6:14:37 PM
> Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>
> KJP,
>
> Why are you asking Mag what she wants? That's not important - what's =20=
>
> important is what YOU think. What do you want? You can wish as hard =20=
>
> as you want to achieve independence but unless you get off your butt =20
> and do something, you'll never get there. Mag can't make the =20
> decision for you. I can't, your family can't, your social worker =20
> can't, your priest can't. The only person who can is you.
>
> We will support you and applaud you whichever step you take towards =20
> independence but you and only you can start it. I am actually afraid =20=
>
> that if you wait too long, you'll find it too difficult and give up. =20=
>
> Take it from one who's seen others struggle -- the longer you wait, =20
> the harder it will be to change and take control of your life.
>
> Kat
>
>
> On 13 Mar 2006, at 16:36, Kathy Pink wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Mag! I don't know. I don't think so. Do you want me to =20
> > see if I can find out?
> >
> >> From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> >> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:04:20 -0800
> >>
> >> good to see you again Kathy Jo!
> >> Do they do job training at cornerstone?
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> [log in to unmask]
> >> Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> >> visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> > [Original Message]
> >> > From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > Date: 3/12/2006 11:57:37 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> >> >
> >> > ECHO !!! Well Said, Mag!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > >Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> >> > >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:14:47 -0800
> >> > >
> >> > >This made me so sad. The next time anybody says you can't get =20
> >> cancer from
> >> > >second hand smoke, remind them of this lovely lady...
> >> > >
> >> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > >[log in to unmask]
> >> > >Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> >> > >visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://=20
> > search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:55:30 -0600
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Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both Kathy Jo and I use
Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with because we have
difficulties with our natural speech. Our Pathfinders don't only assist us
in communication, they can also interface with computers, assisting us with
both general typing, mouse operations and other functions, which makes us
perfect candidates for various computer jobs, and according to my knowledge
Kathy Jo has done data entry and received positive reports. I don't know
her current activities, but through her Pathfinder and other assistive
technology devices, she really has unlimited possibilities.
I think the majority of you know this also, but I work for the Prentke
Romich Company where we build the Pathfinder, and I'm in technical support,
and I also test the majority of new products, and I must say without my
communication device, my job wouldn't be possible for me to do. Most
importantly, I do enjoy my job :)
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Magenta Raine
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:08 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
Exactly what I wrote to Kathy Jo...
Shaking my head..... KJ, the reason I asked was so YOU could get into it if
you wanted to. It doesn't matter what I want. What you want is important to
you. I feel like I am talking to a wall sometimes. And I agree with Kat,
the longer you wait, the harder it will be to break through to
independence. Look up on the web the name cary hammis and micro-enterprise.
Perhaps they have somebody in Wisconsin who can help you find your "friday
night passion" for me it is painting and advocacy. for others it's other
things. And if you don't know all the words, look on the web for english
dictionaries.
Mag
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[log in to unmask]
Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> [Original Message]
> From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/13/2006 6:14:37 PM
> Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>
> KJP,
>
> Why are you asking Mag what she wants? That's not important - what's =20=
>
> important is what YOU think. What do you want? You can wish as hard =20=
>
> as you want to achieve independence but unless you get off your butt =20
> and do something, you'll never get there. Mag can't make the =20
> decision for you. I can't, your family can't, your social worker =20
> can't, your priest can't. The only person who can is you.
>
> We will support you and applaud you whichever step you take towards =20
> independence but you and only you can start it. I am actually afraid =20=
>
> that if you wait too long, you'll find it too difficult and give up. =20=
>
> Take it from one who's seen others struggle -- the longer you wait, =20
> the harder it will be to change and take control of your life.
>
> Kat
>
>
> On 13 Mar 2006, at 16:36, Kathy Pink wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Mag! I don't know. I don't think so. Do you want me to =20
> > see if I can find out?
> >
> >> From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> >> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:04:20 -0800
> >>
> >> good to see you again Kathy Jo!
> >> Do they do job training at cornerstone?
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> [log in to unmask]
> >> Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> >> visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> > [Original Message]
> >> > From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > Date: 3/12/2006 11:57:37 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> >> >
> >> > ECHO !!! Well Said, Mag!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > >Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> >> > >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:14:47 -0800
> >> > >
> >> > >This made me so sad. The next time anybody says you can't get =20
> >> cancer from
> >> > >second hand smoke, remind them of this lovely lady...
> >> > >
> >> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > >[log in to unmask]
> >> > >Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> >> > >visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://=20
> > search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:03:24 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
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Anyhony. i am glad you can have your job as i know
that you want your job. wanting it goes a long way.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both
> Kathy Jo and I use
> Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with
> because we have
> difficulties with our natural speech. Our
> Pathfinders don't only assist us
> in communication, they can also interface with
> computers, assisting us with
> both general typing, mouse operations and other
> functions, which makes us
> perfect candidates for various computer jobs, and
> according to my knowledge
> Kathy Jo has done data entry and received positive
> reports. I don't know
> her current activities, but through her Pathfinder
> and other assistive
> technology devices, she really has unlimited
> possibilities.
>
> I think the majority of you know this also, but I
> work for the Prentke
> Romich Company where we build the Pathfinder, and
> I'm in technical support,
> and I also test the majority of new products, and I
> must say without my
> communication device, my job wouldn't be possible
> for me to do. Most
> importantly, I do enjoy my job :)
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Magenta Raine
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:08 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>
> Exactly what I wrote to Kathy Jo...
>
> Shaking my head..... KJ, the reason I asked was so
> YOU could get into it if
> you wanted to. It doesn't matter what I want. What
> you want is important to
> you. I feel like I am talking to a wall sometimes.
> And I agree with Kat,
> the longer you wait, the harder it will be to break
> through to
> independence. Look up on the web the name cary
> hammis and micro-enterprise.
> Perhaps they have somebody in Wisconsin who can help
> you find your "friday
> night passion" for me it is painting and advocacy.
> for others it's other
> things. And if you don't know all the words, look on
> the web for english
> dictionaries.
>
> Mag
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [log in to unmask]
> Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/13/2006 6:14:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
> >
> > KJP,
> >
> > Why are you asking Mag what she wants? That's not
> important - what's =20=
> >
> > important is what YOU think. What do you want?
> You can wish as hard =20=
> >
> > as you want to achieve independence but unless you
> get off your butt =20
> > and do something, you'll never get there. Mag
> can't make the =20
> > decision for you. I can't, your family can't,
> your social worker =20
> > can't, your priest can't. The only person who can
> is you.
> >
> > We will support you and applaud you whichever step
> you take towards =20
> > independence but you and only you can start it. I
> am actually afraid =20=
> >
> > that if you wait too long, you'll find it too
> difficult and give up. =20=
> >
> > Take it from one who's seen others struggle -- the
> longer you wait, =20
> > the harder it will be to change and take control
> of your life.
> >
> > Kat
> >
> >
> > On 13 Mar 2006, at 16:36, Kathy Pink wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks, Mag! I don't know. I don't think so.
> Do you want me to =20
> > > see if I can find out?
> > >
> > >> From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > >> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:04:20 -0800
> > >>
> > >> good to see you again Kathy Jo!
> > >> Do they do job training at cornerstone?
> > >>
> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >> [log in to unmask]
> > >> Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > >> visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > [Original Message]
> > >> > From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > Date: 3/12/2006 11:57:37 AM
> > >> > Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > >> >
> > >> > ECHO !!! Well Said, Mag!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> > >Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > >> > >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:14:47 -0800
> > >> > >
> > >> > >This made me so sad. The next time anybody
> says you can't get =20
> > >> cancer from
> > >> > >second hand smoke, remind them of this
> lovely lady...
> > >> > >
> > >> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >> > >[log in to unmask]
> > >> > >Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > >> > >visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
>
_________________________________________________________________
> > > Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN
> Search! http://=20
> > >
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:20:40 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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The most favorite thing about my job is that I get to figure out how
technology can assist people the most, and another favorite thing is
communicating with research & development about upcoming devices, they tell
my parents I'm 4-6 years ahead in thinking. The down side is whenever I get
a new communication device or a feature, I have to stay quiet until the
official release, which is sometimes a year away.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
Anyhony. i am glad you can have your job as i know
that you want your job. wanting it goes a long way.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both
> Kathy Jo and I use
> Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with
> because we have
> difficulties with our natural speech. Our
> Pathfinders don't only assist us
> in communication, they can also interface with
> computers, assisting us with
> both general typing, mouse operations and other
> functions, which makes us
> perfect candidates for various computer jobs, and
> according to my knowledge
> Kathy Jo has done data entry and received positive
> reports. I don't know
> her current activities, but through her Pathfinder
> and other assistive
> technology devices, she really has unlimited
> possibilities.
>
> I think the majority of you know this also, but I
> work for the Prentke
> Romich Company where we build the Pathfinder, and
> I'm in technical support,
> and I also test the majority of new products, and I
> must say without my
> communication device, my job wouldn't be possible
> for me to do. Most
> importantly, I do enjoy my job :)
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Magenta Raine
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:08 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>
> Exactly what I wrote to Kathy Jo...
>
> Shaking my head..... KJ, the reason I asked was so
> YOU could get into it if
> you wanted to. It doesn't matter what I want. What
> you want is important to
> you. I feel like I am talking to a wall sometimes.
> And I agree with Kat,
> the longer you wait, the harder it will be to break
> through to
> independence. Look up on the web the name cary
> hammis and micro-enterprise.
> Perhaps they have somebody in Wisconsin who can help
> you find your "friday
> night passion" for me it is painting and advocacy.
> for others it's other
> things. And if you don't know all the words, look on
> the web for english
> dictionaries.
>
> Mag
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [log in to unmask]
> Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/13/2006 6:14:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
> >
> > KJP,
> >
> > Why are you asking Mag what she wants? That's not
> important - what's =20=
> >
> > important is what YOU think. What do you want?
> You can wish as hard =20=
> >
> > as you want to achieve independence but unless you
> get off your butt =20
> > and do something, you'll never get there. Mag
> can't make the =20
> > decision for you. I can't, your family can't,
> your social worker =20
> > can't, your priest can't. The only person who can
> is you.
> >
> > We will support you and applaud you whichever step
> you take towards =20
> > independence but you and only you can start it. I
> am actually afraid =20=
> >
> > that if you wait too long, you'll find it too
> difficult and give up. =20=
> >
> > Take it from one who's seen others struggle -- the
> longer you wait, =20
> > the harder it will be to change and take control
> of your life.
> >
> > Kat
> >
> >
> > On 13 Mar 2006, at 16:36, Kathy Pink wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks, Mag! I don't know. I don't think so.
> Do you want me to =20
> > > see if I can find out?
> > >
> > >> From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > >> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:04:20 -0800
> > >>
> > >> good to see you again Kathy Jo!
> > >> Do they do job training at cornerstone?
> > >>
> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >> [log in to unmask]
> > >> Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > >> visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > [Original Message]
> > >> > From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > Date: 3/12/2006 11:57:37 AM
> > >> > Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > >> >
> > >> > ECHO !!! Well Said, Mag!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > >From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> > >Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
> > >> > >Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:14:47 -0800
> > >> > >
> > >> > >This made me so sad. The next time anybody
> says you can't get =20
> > >> cancer from
> > >> > >second hand smoke, remind them of this
> lovely lady...
> > >> > >
> > >> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >> > >[log in to unmask]
> > >> > >Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > >> > >visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:23:49 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
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Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never with his
disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied child..yuck. You're
right, on parents list we state the disablity to share infomation. The fact
that my son has survied a miracle gives other parents who may have a child
whom has nearly drowned..hope.
Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody uses his
feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he would be elated. I
don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head itching, head
aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in as his shoulders are
dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to the guy in Colorado, it is
not an easy surgery.
Sorry I offended anyone....
Lynette, Cody's mom
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:24:31 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
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Anthony, is the Pathfinder vocal? Can you have your choice of voices?
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both Kathy Jo and I use
Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with because we have
difficulties with our natural speech
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:35:36 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
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Anthony, do you want to answer this or do you want me to?
>From: Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:24:31 -0500
>
>Anthony, is the Pathfinder vocal? Can you have your choice of voices?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Anthony Arnold
>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:56 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>
>I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both Kathy Jo and I use
>Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with because we have
>difficulties with our natural speech
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Among all sorts of more or less interesting and eye-catching devices and =
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exposed at this year's edition of CeBIT, there was one which can be =
considered
of both a technical and a medical innovative utility =96 a typewriter =
that can be
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:24:40 -1000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
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Lynette,
I have looked for the cp parents list recently and could not find it
active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've never tried it
because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts intellect. I was
very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the bad experience
because I still think in surgery less is more. Do you know anyone
else who has had or is doing the percutaneous lengthening? Also are
you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because his credentials
seem really good to me. Top of his class, top medical schools, and all that.
Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their experiences please help us.
These are the hardest decisions we all have to make because mistakes
can worsen not better the situation.
All the best,
Linda
At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never with his
>disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied child..yuck. You're
>right, on parents list we state the disablity to share infomation. The fact
>that my son has survied a miracle gives other parents who may have a child
>whom has nearly drowned..hope.
>
>Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody uses his
>feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he would be elated. I
>don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
>
>Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head itching, head
>aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in as his shoulders are
>dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to the guy in Colorado, it is
>not an easy surgery.
>
>Sorry I offended anyone....
>
>Lynette, Cody's mom
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:52:13 -1000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
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One of the reasons I don't post often although I read the
list is because I don't have cp and I don't want to offend anyone. I
love the list and think it's a great group of people. I have the same
politics as most of you. I don't agree with the Republicans on the
list for sure. People are outspoken on this list, one of the things I
like the best. Our government needs to take care of the aging, infirm, etc.
I know of Lynette's work and she is doing as much as she can
to improve the quality of life for people with physical challenges
(Is that appropriate language, I don't know?). At any rate the
organization she works for is attempting to get more things covered
by insurance and this can only help.
Maybe a discussion of useful language and terminology is in order..
Talk about offensive - a woman on the street saw Case
walking and gave him a dollar asking what happened to him. He just
looks at her and says I have cp and I was born this way. He is too
young to be offended by that but I was.
All the best,
Linda
At 03:51 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote:
>Thanks, Kendall, for amplifying what I was trying to say. I can see
>the need for such sigs on a parents' list, but here, where most of us
>are the CPs, I feel it can be a bit degrading. I hate having a label
>slapped on me, and I think such sigs aren't really appropriate here.
>I see it rather like being in hospital and hearing a doctor refer to
>you as "the broken leg in Room Four-oh-five." (and yes, that did
>happen to me, and I was most annoyed at the time!).
>
>Now, that is not to say that I'm going to make a rule and enforce it;
>that'd be silly. I'm just voicing my opinion.
>
>Kat
>
>On 13 Mar 2006, at 14:28, Kendall David Corbett wrote:
>
> > I belong to another list for people with hydrocephalus, and there's a
> > mix of people with the condition and parents of kids with hydro, and
> > most people include a brief descriptor of why they're on the list in
> > their siglines. I think it's kind of nice, because as new people
> > join,
> > it's kind of like a built in introduction to them. As folks stay
> > on the
> > list, they get to know us as individuals, and the sigline
> > descriptor is
> > not as necessary.
> >
> > I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like people are still
> > meeting
> > our (or a child's) disability first. I just reread my sigline for
> > C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP at all.
> >
> > Kendall
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
> >
> > What kind of surgery?
> >
> > And as an aside, what's with the labels all the parents of CPs put in
> > their
> > sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the parents' lists, but
> > frankly I
> > find those a wee bit offensive. Just my tuppence.
> >
> > Kat
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: lynette smilelaughgiggle [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his
> > hands.
> > Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen
> > pump,
> > got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
> >
> > Blessings,
> > Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> > http://mail2web.com/ .
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:02:14 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
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Actually currently we have Destalk Synthesized Voices in the entire PRC
product line, and in some of our newer devices we're introducing RealSpeak
which delivers more realistic sounding voices. Over the years, synthesized
voices have improved but still aren't where I invision them being one day,
but we're still making progress in the right direction.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Mike Collis
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:25 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
Anthony, is the Pathfinder vocal? Can you have your choice of voices?
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both Kathy Jo and I use
Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with because we have
difficulties with our natural speech
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:55:23 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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Linda,
Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although depending
on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the dosage
of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist decided
to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the drug
directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
as many side effects. =20
She and her neurologist worked together for over a year and a half
trying to find another medication, combination of medications and/or
physical therapy that would have the desired effect, with no really
satisfactory results, and so she finally decided on the pump after we
found a really good surgeon to place it. =20
We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who was more or less local,
and he didn't do the right type of test for Janet's symptoms, and so we
got delayed about 4 months getting things done right. We did Google
Scholar searches for papers written on spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
used to control it, then searched for the authors of the papers. Most
of the papers were by doctors from the University of Pittsburgh, and the
University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for us, one of the authors
had recently relocated to Colorado Springs, because they're starting a
Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is only about 200 miles
away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham. He had done his
residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in pediatric neurosurgery in
Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds neurosurgery and general
neurosurgery.
Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact the Hawaii UCEDD,=20
Center on Disability Studies=20
University of Hawaii at Manoa=20
College of Education=20
1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=20
Honolulu, HI 96822=20
Main Phone: 808-956-9199=20
Main Fax: 808-956-7878=20
Main Email: [log in to unmask]
Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
and specifically:
Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=20
808-983-8387=20
[log in to unmask] who administers the Fellowship in Developmental and
Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best person in the Islands to
work with.=20
When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent went to a Yahoo or
Google based list, so you might want to do a search including those as
terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little while to CP Parent
(best source I could find) after the transition to get more info on
Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot, so it may be gone.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
Lynette,
I have looked for the cp parents list recently and could not find it=20
active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've never tried it=20
because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts intellect. I was=20
very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the bad experience=20
because I still think in surgery less is more. Do you know anyone=20
else who has had or is doing the percutaneous lengthening? Also are=20
you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because his credentials=20
seem really good to me. Top of his class, top medical schools, and all
that.
Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their experiences please
help us.
These are the hardest decisions we all have to make because mistakes=20
can worsen not better the situation.
All the best,
Linda
At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never with
his
>disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied child..yuck.
You're
>right, on parents list we state the disablity to share infomation. The
fact
>that my son has survied a miracle gives other parents who may have a
child
>whom has nearly drowned..hope.
>
>Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody uses
his
>feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he would be
elated. I
>don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
>
>Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head itching,
head
>aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in as his shoulders
are
>dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to the guy in Colorado,
it is
>not an easy surgery.
>
>Sorry I offended anyone....
>
>Lynette, Cody's mom
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:05:10 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
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I don't know about that Linda, I was in Kansas City for three years, getting
my graduate degree, and was interested in getting a 35mm auto-focus SLR
camera. For those who don't know, SLR's were manually focused up until 1985
when Minolta came out with their line of Maxxum Cameras. I was interested
in getting one of their cameras, so I went to Dolgins, a store like Target
in Kansas City, to look at one. I ended up putting one on layaway, and
paying a third down. When I went back to pay the remaining 2 thirds of the
layaway, the clerk told me the camera was mine, free and clear. The person
behind me in line had paid up the bill for me. That was a $600 camera, and
to this day I don't know who my benefactor was. Do you think I felt
offended? I felt grateful.
You can tell Case to decline money, as I do now, but older people come from
a time where if people had anything to share, they shared it with those who
were less fortunate. People are funny, thoough. I'm not sure what the
woman would've done had he declined the dollar graciously.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Linda Walker
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
----<snip>----
Talk about offensive - a woman on the street saw Case
walking and gave him a dollar asking what happened to him. He just
looks at her and says I have cp and I was born this way. He is too
young to be offended by that but I was.
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:51:51 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
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Kat,
Where are the achieves ? KJP
>From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:44:00 -0500
>
>KJP,
>
>I suggest you go to the archives and catch up on things. It's not been
>really active but you can read the messages that have been posted since
>you went on holiday.
>
>Kat
>
>On 13 Mar 2006, at 12:34, ken barber wrote:
>
>> Kathy Jo, St Johns quit hosting all mailing list and
>>that included ours.
>> I recieved an email about the 18th of Feb. from
>>Bobby's daughter, Judy telling me that Bobby had
>>passed away. I later learned it was congestive heart
>>failure. I forwarded this bad news to the list.
>> I think we all miss him greatly.
>>
>>--- Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>What happened to St. John's University and to
>>>Bobby?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Fwd: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
>>>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:12:33 -0800 (PST)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Note: forwarded message attached.
>>>>
>>>>---------------------------------
>>>>Yahoo! Mail
>>>>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing
>>>a breeze.
>>>
>>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get
>>>it now!
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:10:29 -1000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
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I think that was great that someone made that magnificent gesture
with the camera. Giving is a good value for sure. Perhaps I was wrong
to be offended. Maybe we are always wrong to be offended. We are all
just doing the best we can under difficult circumstances. I won't
tell Case anything though as I did not let him know my feeling and so
many adults tell him so many things, I think it is ok to let him
figure this one out for himself. He is a kid with an incredible sense
of fairness who never taunts or teases others even when they do so to
him. I have been a little distraught watching this lately.
At 10:05 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>I don't know about that Linda, I was in Kansas City for three years, getting
>my graduate degree, and was interested in getting a 35mm auto-focus SLR
>camera. For those who don't know, SLR's were manually focused up until 1985
>when Minolta came out with their line of Maxxum Cameras. I was interested
>in getting one of their cameras, so I went to Dolgins, a store like Target
>in Kansas City, to look at one. I ended up putting one on layaway, and
>paying a third down. When I went back to pay the remaining 2 thirds of the
>layaway, the clerk told me the camera was mine, free and clear. The person
>behind me in line had paid up the bill for me. That was a $600 camera, and
>to this day I don't know who my benefactor was. Do you think I felt
>offended? I felt grateful.
>
>You can tell Case to decline money, as I do now, but older people come from
>a time where if people had anything to share, they shared it with those who
>were less fortunate. People are funny, thoough. I'm not sure what the
>woman would've done had he declined the dollar graciously.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Linda Walker
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:52 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
>----<snip>----
>
> Talk about offensive - a woman on the street saw Case
>walking and gave him a dollar asking what happened to him. He just
>looks at her and says I have cp and I was born this way. He is too
>young to be offended by that but I was.
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:01:35 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
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KJ,
The archives are a webpage that gives you access to all the posts on=20
C-Palsy.
Here's a link to them. You can search by date, subject, who's posted,
etc.
http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=3Dc-palsy
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Pink [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
Kat,
Where are the achieves ? KJP
>From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:44:00 -0500
>
>KJP,
>
>I suggest you go to the archives and catch up on things. It's not
been=20
>really active but you can read the messages that have been posted
since=20
>you went on holiday.
>
>Kat
>
>On 13 Mar 2006, at 12:34, ken barber wrote:
>
>> Kathy Jo, St Johns quit hosting all mailing list and
>>that included ours.
>> I recieved an email about the 18th of Feb. from
>>Bobby's daughter, Judy telling me that Bobby had
>>passed away. I later learned it was congestive heart
>>failure. I forwarded this bad news to the list.
>> I think we all miss him greatly.
>>
>>--- Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>What happened to St. John's University and to
>>>Bobby?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>Subject: Fwd: Re: Your Subscription to C-PALSY
>>>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:12:33 -0800 (PST)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Note: forwarded message attached.
>>>>
>>>>---------------------------------
>>>>Yahoo! Mail
>>>>Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing
>>>a breeze.
>>>
>>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get
>>>it now!
>>>
>>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>>>
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>Do You Yahoo!?
>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>>http://mail.yahoo.com
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:59:14 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Elizabeth Thiers <[log in to unmask]>
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Lynette, what type of surgery are they going to do?
Beth t the OT
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
lynette smilelaughgiggle
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 1:44 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
Hi All,
I am a parent who has been to Poland 9 times and represented Euromed, Poland
for 5 years. I am now with Sunshine Therapy and the NeuroSuit, which is a
suit with a arm and glove component. We train both parents and therapists
all over the US/world.
My son has upper body spasticity and we are looking at surgery on his hands.
Has anyone experienced this with their child? Cody has a baclofen pump,
got us through puberty....still a never ending battle.
Blessings,
Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near drowning,CP)
www.geocities.com/codylol www.neurosuit.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:59:14 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Elizabeth Thiers <[log in to unmask]>
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Ok here's my 2 1/2 cents worth. I believe that when you get a group health
plan such as the one employeers have available there is an assumed group
risk. I do know of people who have tried to get individual insurance and
were denied for being a bit overweight according to the companies charts.
Beth t. the OT
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:44 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
good point, kat. it is going to get to be a point of contention in public
discussion and will find its way into politics. i would think it will get to
a point that a line will have to be drawn. maybe at the self inflicted
problems. but, then we get into what is self inflicted. i personally think
that some overweight people have it in their genes, others thinks it is all
a will power thing. and that will be true of so other ills.
--- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> You do have a valid point, Ken but what's next, penalizing people
> because they're overweight? Yes, I think we'll be at that point soon.
> And then what's next, charging higher premiums for group members with
> disabilities because they incur higher costs?
>
> Kat
>
> On 12 Mar 2006, at 20:42, ken barber wrote:
>
> > just to stir the pudding a little. yes, there is privacy rights, but
> > then should employers have to
> pay
> > higher insurance rates for what someone decides to
> do
> > at their home? one might have to give up some
> rights
> > to keep from trampling on the rights of employers
> to
> > not hire someone who is going to drive up his cost
> of
> > doing business. stir it up just a bit.
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:22:23 -1000
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Thank you so much for this information. I don't think his parents are
considering having anything done in Hawaii and traveling is no
problem because his mother works in travel. She is in the process of
getting her insurance changed from an HMO so that she has more
flexibility with his care. She also has relatives in Colorado and
baclofen seems like a simpler solution than surgery. The pump can be
removed if it does not work but surgery can never be undone.
At 09:55 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Linda,
>
>Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although depending
>on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the dosage
>of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
>cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist decided
>to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the drug
>directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
>as many side effects. =20
>
>She and her neurologist worked together for over a year and a half
>trying to find another medication, combination of medications and/or
>physical therapy that would have the desired effect, with no really
>satisfactory results, and so she finally decided on the pump after we
>found a really good surgeon to place it. =20
>
>We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who was more or less local,
>and he didn't do the right type of test for Janet's symptoms, and so we
>got delayed about 4 months getting things done right. We did Google
>Scholar searches for papers written on spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
>used to control it, then searched for the authors of the papers. Most
>of the papers were by doctors from the University of Pittsburgh, and the
>University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for us, one of the authors
>had recently relocated to Colorado Springs, because they're starting a
>Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is only about 200 miles
>away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham. He had done his
>residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in pediatric neurosurgery in
>Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds neurosurgery and general
>neurosurgery.
>
>Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact the Hawaii UCEDD,=20
>
>Center on Disability Studies=20
>University of Hawaii at Manoa=20
>College of Education=20
>1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=20
>Honolulu, HI 96822=20
>Main Phone: 808-956-9199=20
>Main Fax: 808-956-7878=20
>Main Email: [log in to unmask]
>Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
>
>
>and specifically:
>
>Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=20
>808-983-8387=20
>[log in to unmask] who administers the Fellowship in Developmental and
>Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best person in the Islands to
>work with.=20
>
>When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent went to a Yahoo or
>Google based list, so you might want to do a search including those as
>terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little while to CP Parent
>(best source I could find) after the transition to get more info on
>Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot, so it may be gone.
>
>Kendall=20
>
>An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
>persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
>progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
>-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
>Lynette,
>
>I have looked for the cp parents list recently and could not find it=20
>active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
>I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've never tried it=20
>because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts intellect. I was=20
>very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the bad experience=20
>because I still think in surgery less is more. Do you know anyone=20
>else who has had or is doing the percutaneous lengthening? Also are=20
>you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because his credentials=20
>seem really good to me. Top of his class, top medical schools, and all
>that.
>Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their experiences please
>help us.
>These are the hardest decisions we all have to make because mistakes=20
>can worsen not better the situation.
>
>All the best,
>
>Linda
>
>At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never with
>his
> >disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied child..yuck.
>You're
> >right, on parents list we state the disablity to share infomation. The
>fact
> >that my son has survied a miracle gives other parents who may have a
>child
> >whom has nearly drowned..hope.
> >
> >Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody uses
>his
> >feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he would be
>elated. I
> >don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> >
> >Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head itching,
>head
> >aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in as his shoulders
>are
> >dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to the guy in Colorado,
>it is
> >not an easy surgery.
> >
> >Sorry I offended anyone....
> >
> >Lynette, Cody's mom
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:09:56 -0600
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From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
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I know that this is none of my business, but why wouldn't they consider
having it done in Hawaii, isn't their medical system like ours?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Linda Walker
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
Thank you so much for this information. I don't think his parents are
considering having anything done in Hawaii and traveling is no
problem because his mother works in travel. She is in the process of
getting her insurance changed from an HMO so that she has more
flexibility with his care. She also has relatives in Colorado and
baclofen seems like a simpler solution than surgery. The pump can be
removed if it does not work but surgery can never be undone.
At 09:55 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Linda,
>
>Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although depending
>on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the dosage
>of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
>cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist decided
>to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the drug
>directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
>as many side effects. =20
>
>She and her neurologist worked together for over a year and a half
>trying to find another medication, combination of medications and/or
>physical therapy that would have the desired effect, with no really
>satisfactory results, and so she finally decided on the pump after we
>found a really good surgeon to place it. =20
>
>We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who was more or less local,
>and he didn't do the right type of test for Janet's symptoms, and so we
>got delayed about 4 months getting things done right. We did Google
>Scholar searches for papers written on spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
>used to control it, then searched for the authors of the papers. Most
>of the papers were by doctors from the University of Pittsburgh, and the
>University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for us, one of the authors
>had recently relocated to Colorado Springs, because they're starting a
>Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is only about 200 miles
>away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham. He had done his
>residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in pediatric neurosurgery in
>Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds neurosurgery and general
>neurosurgery.
>
>Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact the Hawaii UCEDD,=20
>
>Center on Disability Studies=20
>University of Hawaii at Manoa=20
>College of Education=20
>1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=20
>Honolulu, HI 96822=20
>Main Phone: 808-956-9199=20
>Main Fax: 808-956-7878=20
>Main Email: [log in to unmask]
>Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
>
>
>and specifically:
>
>Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=20
>808-983-8387=20
>[log in to unmask] who administers the Fellowship in Developmental and
>Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best person in the Islands to
>work with.=20
>
>When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent went to a Yahoo or
>Google based list, so you might want to do a search including those as
>terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little while to CP Parent
>(best source I could find) after the transition to get more info on
>Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot, so it may be gone.
>
>Kendall=20
>
>An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
>persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
>progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
>-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
>Lynette,
>
>I have looked for the cp parents list recently and could not find it=20
>active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
>I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've never tried it=20
>because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts intellect. I was=20
>very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the bad experience=20
>because I still think in surgery less is more. Do you know anyone=20
>else who has had or is doing the percutaneous lengthening? Also are=20
>you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because his credentials=20
>seem really good to me. Top of his class, top medical schools, and all
>that.
>Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their experiences please
>help us.
>These are the hardest decisions we all have to make because mistakes=20
>can worsen not better the situation.
>
>All the best,
>
>Linda
>
>At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never with
>his
> >disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied child..yuck.
>You're
> >right, on parents list we state the disablity to share infomation. The
>fact
> >that my son has survied a miracle gives other parents who may have a
>child
> >whom has nearly drowned..hope.
> >
> >Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody uses
>his
> >feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he would be
>elated. I
> >don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> >
> >Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head itching,
>head
> >aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in as his shoulders
>are
> >dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to the guy in Colorado,
>it is
> >not an easy surgery.
> >
> >Sorry I offended anyone....
> >
> >Lynette, Cody's mom
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:26:30 -0500
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From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
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Yeah but look at it this way - how would you know it was offensive if =20=
no one said anything? I just hope I wasn't being too blunt.
Problem is, we can empathise all we want, but we really don't know if =20=
something is offensive to those with disabilities if we're not =20
disabled ourselves.
Kat
On 14 Mar 2006, at 08:23, lynette smilelaughgiggle wrote:
> Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never =20
> with his disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied =20
> child..yuck. You're right, on parents list we state the disablity =20
> to share infomation. The fact that my son has survied a miracle =20
> gives other parents who may have a child whom has nearly =20
> drowned..hope.
>
> Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody =20
> uses his feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he =20
> would be elated. I don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
>
> Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head =20
> itching, head aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in =20
> as his shoulders are dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go =20
> to the guy in Colorado, it is not an easy surgery.
>
> Sorry I offended anyone....
>
> Lynette, Cody's mom
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://=20
> search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:41:05 -1000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
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Anthony,
Of course it's your business if I brought it up on the list.
I welcome any ideas. We moved to HI from CA not that long ago and
his CA PT has definite ideas about where to get surgery done. She
thinks the Gillette Center in MN is the best because of the extensive
rehab program after surgery.
I found this Dr. Nuzzo on the internet and thought his way
of doing the surgery without opening up the whole leg sounded better.
Both my son and I have cheloid (sp?) scarring and I am afraid for the
scarring. It's called percutaneous muscle lengthening. Then Lynette
sent an email with parents who had a bad experience with him. We also
have a contact name of parents who love what he did.
I am not sure my grandsons parents have considered baclofen
pump seriously enough as an alternative to more invasive surgery. I
know it's surgery but it is reversible. I guess what I am most afraid
of is doing something irreversible and then having the doctors come
up with something much better. He is 7 and 1/2 now.
All the best,
Linda
At 01:09 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>I know that this is none of my business, but why wouldn't they consider
>having it done in Hawaii, isn't their medical system like ours?
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Linda Walker
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:22 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
>Thank you so much for this information. I don't think his parents are
>considering having anything done in Hawaii and traveling is no
>problem because his mother works in travel. She is in the process of
>getting her insurance changed from an HMO so that she has more
>flexibility with his care. She also has relatives in Colorado and
>baclofen seems like a simpler solution than surgery. The pump can be
>removed if it does not work but surgery can never be undone.
>
>At 09:55 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Linda,
> >
> >Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although depending
> >on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the dosage
> >of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
> >cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist decided
> >to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the drug
> >directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
> >as many side effects. =20
> >
> >She and her neurologist worked together for over a year and a half
> >trying to find another medication, combination of medications and/or
> >physical therapy that would have the desired effect, with no really
> >satisfactory results, and so she finally decided on the pump after we
> >found a really good surgeon to place it. =20
> >
> >We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who was more or less local,
> >and he didn't do the right type of test for Janet's symptoms, and so we
> >got delayed about 4 months getting things done right. We did Google
> >Scholar searches for papers written on spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
> >used to control it, then searched for the authors of the papers. Most
> >of the papers were by doctors from the University of Pittsburgh, and the
> >University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for us, one of the authors
> >had recently relocated to Colorado Springs, because they're starting a
> >Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is only about 200 miles
> >away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham. He had done his
> >residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in pediatric neurosurgery in
> >Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds neurosurgery and general
> >neurosurgery.
> >
> >Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact the Hawaii UCEDD,=20
> >
> >Center on Disability Studies=20
> >University of Hawaii at Manoa=20
> >College of Education=20
> >1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=20
> >Honolulu, HI 96822=20
> >Main Phone: 808-956-9199=20
> >Main Fax: 808-956-7878=20
> >Main Email: [log in to unmask]
> >Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
> >
> >
> >and specifically:
> >
> >Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=20
> >808-983-8387=20
> >[log in to unmask] who administers the Fellowship in Developmental and
> >Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best person in the Islands to
> >work with.=20
> >
> >When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent went to a Yahoo or
> >Google based list, so you might want to do a search including those as
> >terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little while to CP Parent
> >(best source I could find) after the transition to get more info on
> >Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot, so it may be gone.
> >
> >Kendall=20
> >
> >An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
> >
> >The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> >persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> >progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> >-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> >Lynette,
> >
> >I have looked for the cp parents list recently and could not find it=20
> >active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
> >I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've never tried it=20
> >because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts intellect. I was=20
> >very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the bad experience=20
> >because I still think in surgery less is more. Do you know anyone=20
> >else who has had or is doing the percutaneous lengthening? Also are=20
> >you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because his credentials=20
> >seem really good to me. Top of his class, top medical schools, and all
> >that.
> >Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their experiences please
> >help us.
> >These are the hardest decisions we all have to make because mistakes=20
> >can worsen not better the situation.
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >Linda
> >
> >At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>
> > >Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never with
> >his
> > >disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied child..yuck.
> >You're
> > >right, on parents list we state the disablity to share infomation. The
> >fact
> > >that my son has survied a miracle gives other parents who may have a
> >child
> > >whom has nearly drowned..hope.
> > >
> > >Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody uses
> >his
> > >feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he would be
> >elated. I
> > >don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> > >
> > >Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head itching,
> >head
> > >aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in as his shoulders
> >are
> > >dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to the guy in Colorado,
> >it is
> > >not an easy surgery.
> > >
> > >Sorry I offended anyone....
> > >
> > >Lynette, Cody's mom
> > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________
> > >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> > >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:44:18 -1000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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I am also sometimes too blunt, not even saying you were in that
instance though. I just really appreciate it that people can speak
their minds here.
At 01:26 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Yeah but look at it this way - how would you know it was offensive if =20=
>
>no one said anything? I just hope I wasn't being too blunt.
>
>Problem is, we can empathise all we want, but we really don't know if =20=
>
>something is offensive to those with disabilities if we're not =20
>disabled ourselves.
>
>Kat
>
>
>On 14 Mar 2006, at 08:23, lynette smilelaughgiggle wrote:
>
> > Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never =20
> > with his disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied =20
> > child..yuck. You're right, on parents list we state the disablity =20
> > to share infomation. The fact that my son has survied a miracle =20
> > gives other parents who may have a child whom has nearly =20
> > drowned..hope.
> >
> > Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody =20
> > uses his feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he =20
> > would be elated. I don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> >
> > Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head =20
> > itching, head aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in =20
> > as his shoulders are dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go =20
> > to the guy in Colorado, it is not an easy surgery.
> >
> > Sorry I offended anyone....
> >
> > Lynette, Cody's mom
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://=20
> > search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:17:14 -0800
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Lynnette,
Have you looked into getting cody some feldenkrais lessons? I have had huge
improvements with my hands and feet. Before I began feldenkrais lessons my
hands and feet were very tight and spastic, so before your son goes the
surgery route, I hope you will look into the feldenkrais method.
Sincerely,
Mag
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> [Original Message]
> From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/14/2006 4:35:04 PM
> Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> I am also sometimes too blunt, not even saying you were in that
> instance though. I just really appreciate it that people can speak
> their minds here.
>
> At 01:26 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Yeah but look at it this way - how would you know it was offensive if
=20=
> >
> >no one said anything? I just hope I wasn't being too blunt.
> >
> >Problem is, we can empathise all we want, but we really don't know if
=20=
> >
> >something is offensive to those with disabilities if we're not =20
> >disabled ourselves.
> >
> >Kat
> >
> >
> >On 14 Mar 2006, at 08:23, lynette smilelaughgiggle wrote:
> >
> > > Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never =20
> > > with his disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied =20
> > > child..yuck. You're right, on parents list we state the disablity =20
> > > to share infomation. The fact that my son has survied a miracle =20
> > > gives other parents who may have a child whom has nearly =20
> > > drowned..hope.
> > >
> > > Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody =20
> > > uses his feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he =20
> > > would be elated. I don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> > >
> > > Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head =20
> > > itching, head aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in =20
> > > as his shoulders are dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go =20
> > > to the guy in Colorado, it is not an easy surgery.
> > >
> > > Sorry I offended anyone....
> > >
> > > Lynette, Cody's mom
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://=20
> > > search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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i'd be happy to just have doctors look past the cp and
like conditions and make a diagnosis of other health
problems. then we would not have to go to and pay 4
differend doctors before one will actually diagnose
and treat the non-cp condition.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> One of the reasons I don't post often
> although I read the
> list is because I don't have cp and I don't want to
> offend anyone. I
> love the list and think it's a great group of
> people. I have the same
> politics as most of you. I don't agree with the
> Republicans on the
> list for sure. People are outspoken on this list,
> one of the things I
> like the best. Our government needs to take care of
> the aging, infirm, etc.
> I know of Lynette's work and she is doing
> as much as she can
> to improve the quality of life for people with
> physical challenges
> (Is that appropriate language, I don't know?). At
> any rate the
> organization she works for is attempting to get more
> things covered
> by insurance and this can only help.
> Maybe a discussion of useful language and
> terminology is in order..
> Talk about offensive - a woman on the
> street saw Case
> walking and gave him a dollar asking what happened
> to him. He just
> looks at her and says I have cp and I was born this
> way. He is too
> young to be offended by that but I was.
>
> All the best,
>
> Linda
>
> At 03:51 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote:
> >Thanks, Kendall, for amplifying what I was trying
> to say. I can see
> >the need for such sigs on a parents' list, but
> here, where most of us
> >are the CPs, I feel it can be a bit degrading. I
> hate having a label
> >slapped on me, and I think such sigs aren't really
> appropriate here.
> >I see it rather like being in hospital and hearing
> a doctor refer to
> >you as "the broken leg in Room Four-oh-five." (and
> yes, that did
> >happen to me, and I was most annoyed at the time!).
> >
> >Now, that is not to say that I'm going to make a
> rule and enforce it;
> >that'd be silly. I'm just voicing my opinion.
> >
> >Kat
> >
> >On 13 Mar 2006, at 14:28, Kendall David Corbett
> wrote:
> >
> > > I belong to another list for people with
> hydrocephalus, and there's a
> > > mix of people with the condition and parents of
> kids with hydro, and
> > > most people include a brief descriptor of why
> they're on the list in
> > > their siglines. I think it's kind of nice,
> because as new people
> > > join,
> > > it's kind of like a built in introduction to
> them. As folks stay
> > > on the
> > > list, they get to know us as individuals, and
> the sigline
> > > descriptor is
> > > not as necessary.
> > >
> > > I see your point though, Kat; it's kind of like
> people are still
> > > meeting
> > > our (or a child's) disability first. I just
> reread my sigline for
> > > C-Palsy, and it doesn't mention Janet's or my CP
> at all.
> > >
> > > Kendall
> > >
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> > >
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself. Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:59 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit
> therapy - hand surgery?
> > >
> > > What kind of surgery?
> > >
> > > And as an aside, what's with the labels all the
> parents of CPs put in
> > > their
> > > sigs? I know y'all have your sigs on the
> parents' lists, but
> > > frankly I
> > > find those a wee bit offensive. Just my
> tuppence.
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: lynette smilelaughgiggle
> [log in to unmask]
> > > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:44:03 -0600
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit
> therapy - hand surgery?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > My son has upper body spasticity and we are
> looking at surgery on his
> > > hands.
> > > Has anyone experienced this with their child?
> Cody has a baclofen
> > > pump,
> > > got us through puberty....still a never ending
> battle.
> > >
> > > Blessings,
> > > Lynette LaScala, mom to Cody (post near
> drowning,CP)
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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> > > http://mail2web.com/ .
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:39:07 -0800
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read the info on side effects and recognise them if
they appear. most people have no problem, but, i did
and had to quit taking it.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Lynette,
>
> I have looked for the cp parents list recently and
> could not find it
> active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
> I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've
> never tried it
> because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts
> intellect. I was
> very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the
> bad experience
> because I still think in surgery less is more. Do
> you know anyone
> else who has had or is doing the percutaneous
> lengthening? Also are
> you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because
> his credentials
> seem really good to me. Top of his class, top
> medical schools, and all that.
> Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their
> experiences please help us.
> These are the hardest decisions we all have to make
> because mistakes
> can worsen not better the situation.
>
> All the best,
>
> Linda
>
> At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list!
> I would never with his
> >disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied
> child..yuck. You're
> >right, on parents list we state the disablity to
> share infomation. The fact
> >that my son has survied a miracle gives other
> parents who may have a child
> >whom has nearly drowned..hope.
> >
> >Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor
> lengthening. Cody uses his
> >feet for everything, if he could even use one
> finger he would be elated. I
> >don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> >
> >Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came
> out. Head itching, head
> >aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back
> in as his shoulders are
> >dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to
> the guy in Colorado, it is
> >not an easy surgery.
> >
> >Sorry I offended anyone....
> >
> >Lynette, Cody's mom
> >
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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On Tuesday 14 Mar 2006 18:24, Linda Walker wrote:
> Lynette,
>
> I have looked for the cp parents list recently and could not find it
> active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
Hi,
Randy (Ryan) has moved "cpparent" to Syracuse University:-
<http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL1=CPPARENT&H=LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
I don't think anyone was upset with your sig. I've got a theory most people
dont' read them!
Cheers
Deri
An unseasonable man (but my wife says that's abundant!)
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It is ok to speak out, I am already over it. Hey if you didn't speak out I
wouldn't have known it offended anyone. I will check into Feldenkraus,
tried everything else..thanks.
I put my message delivery on daily digest however, I got about 20 emails
from the today. Any suggestions?
Blessings to All,
Lynette
And yes, I am so tired of insurance companies making us all jump through
hoopes....hurdles...etc. They just wait for us to give up and move on!!
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i am happy you are looking off the islands. i have a
nurse friend that gave me a heads up that in hiwaii
the medicle treatment is not the best even on ouhu
which is the best of the islands in that sense.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Anthony,
> Of course it's your business if I brought
> it up on the list.
> I welcome any ideas. We moved to HI from CA not
> that long ago and
> his CA PT has definite ideas about where to get
> surgery done. She
> thinks the Gillette Center in MN is the best because
> of the extensive
> rehab program after surgery.
> I found this Dr. Nuzzo on the internet and
> thought his way
> of doing the surgery without opening up the whole
> leg sounded better.
> Both my son and I have cheloid (sp?) scarring and I
> am afraid for the
> scarring. It's called percutaneous muscle
> lengthening. Then Lynette
> sent an email with parents who had a bad experience
> with him. We also
> have a contact name of parents who love what he did.
> I am not sure my grandsons parents have
> considered baclofen
> pump seriously enough as an alternative to more
> invasive surgery. I
> know it's surgery but it is reversible. I guess what
> I am most afraid
> of is doing something irreversible and then having
> the doctors come
> up with something much better. He is 7 and 1/2 now.
>
> All the best,
>
> Linda
>
>
> At 01:09 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >I know that this is none of my business, but why
> wouldn't they consider
> >having it done in Hawaii, isn't their medical
> system like ours?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >Linda Walker
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:22 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> >Thank you so much for this information. I don't
> think his parents are
> >considering having anything done in Hawaii and
> traveling is no
> >problem because his mother works in travel. She is
> in the process of
> >getting her insurance changed from an HMO so that
> she has more
> >flexibility with his care. She also has relatives
> in Colorado and
> >baclofen seems like a simpler solution than
> surgery. The pump can be
> >removed if it does not work but surgery can never
> be undone.
> >
> >At 09:55 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> > >Linda,
> > >
> > >Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact
> intellect, although depending
> > >on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a
> person has, and the dosage
> > >of oral Baclofen required to control that
> spasticity/dystonia, it can
> > >cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and
> her neurologist decided
> > >to go with the pump, because it makes it possible
> to introduce the drug
> > >directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts
> directly, without nearly
> > >as many side effects. =20
> > >
> > >She and her neurologist worked together for over
> a year and a half
> > >trying to find another medication, combination of
> medications and/or
> > >physical therapy that would have the desired
> effect, with no really
> > >satisfactory results, and so she finally decided
> on the pump after we
> > >found a really good surgeon to place it. =20
> > >
> > >We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who
> was more or less local,
> > >and he didn't do the right type of test for
> Janet's symptoms, and so we
> > >got delayed about 4 months getting things done
> right. We did Google
> > >Scholar searches for papers written on
> spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
> > >used to control it, then searched for the authors
> of the papers. Most
> > >of the papers were by doctors from the University
> of Pittsburgh, and the
> > >University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for
> us, one of the authors
> > >had recently relocated to Colorado Springs,
> because they're starting a
> > >Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is
> only about 200 miles
> > >away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham.
> He had done his
> > >residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in
> pediatric neurosurgery in
> > >Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds
> neurosurgery and general
> > >neurosurgery.
> > >
> > >Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact
> the Hawaii UCEDD,=20
> > >
> > >Center on Disability Studies=20
> > >University of Hawaii at Manoa=20
> > >College of Education=20
> > >1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=20
> > >Honolulu, HI 96822=20
> > >Main Phone: 808-956-9199=20
> > >Main Fax: 808-956-7878=20
> > >Main Email: [log in to unmask]
> > >Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >and specifically:
> > >
> > >Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=20
> > >808-983-8387=20
> > >[log in to unmask] who administers the
> Fellowship in Developmental and
> > >Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best
> person in the Islands to
> > >work with.=20
> > >
> > >When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent
> went to a Yahoo or
> > >Google based list, so you might want to do a
> search including those as
> > >terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little
> while to CP Parent
> > >(best source I could find) after the transition
> to get more info on
> > >Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot,
> so it may be gone.
> > >
> > >Kendall=20
> > >
> > >An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> > >
> > >The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the unreasonable one
> > >persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> > >progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > >-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Linda Walker
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> > >
> > >Lynette,
> > >
> > >I have looked for the cp parents list recently
> and could not find it=20
> > >active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
> > >I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case.
> We've never tried it=20
> > >because he is so bright and we've heard it
> impacts intellect. I was=20
> > >very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with
> the bad experience=20
> > >because I still think in surgery less is more. Do
> you know anyone=20
> > >else who has had or is doing the percutaneous
> lengthening? Also are=20
> > >you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery
> because his credentials=20
> > >seem really good to me. Top of his class, top
> medical schools, and all
> > >that.
> > >Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their
> experiences please
> > >help us.
> > >These are the hardest decisions we all have to
> make
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they are lacking a little according to a nurse friend
that moved from there. i mean it is not like 3rd
world, but, could be better.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I know that this is none of my business, but why
> wouldn't they consider
> having it done in Hawaii, isn't their medical system
> like ours?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Linda Walker
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:22 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> Thank you so much for this information. I don't
> think his parents are
> considering having anything done in Hawaii and
> traveling is no
> problem because his mother works in travel. She is
> in the process of
> getting her insurance changed from an HMO so that
> she has more
> flexibility with his care. She also has relatives in
> Colorado and
> baclofen seems like a simpler solution than surgery.
> The pump can be
> removed if it does not work but surgery can never be
> undone.
>
> At 09:55 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Linda,
> >
> >Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact
> intellect, although depending
> >on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a
> person has, and the dosage
> >of oral Baclofen required to control that
> spasticity/dystonia, it can
> >cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and
> her neurologist decided
> >to go with the pump, because it makes it possible
> to introduce the drug
> >directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts
> directly, without nearly
> >as many side effects. =20
> >
> >She and her neurologist worked together for over a
> year and a half
> >trying to find another medication, combination of
> medications and/or
> >physical therapy that would have the desired
> effect, with no really
> >satisfactory results, and so she finally decided on
> the pump after we
> >found a really good surgeon to place it. =20
> >
> >We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who was
> more or less local,
> >and he didn't do the right type of test for Janet's
> symptoms, and so we
> >got delayed about 4 months getting things done
> right. We did Google
> >Scholar searches for papers written on
> spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
> >used to control it, then searched for the authors
> of the papers. Most
> >of the papers were by doctors from the University
> of Pittsburgh, and the
> >University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for us,
> one of the authors
> >had recently relocated to Colorado Springs, because
> they're starting a
> >Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is
> only about 200 miles
> >away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham.
> He had done his
> >residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in
> pediatric neurosurgery in
> >Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds
> neurosurgery and general
> >neurosurgery.
> >
> >Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact
> the Hawaii UCEDD,=20
> >
> >Center on Disability Studies=20
> >University of Hawaii at Manoa=20
> >College of Education=20
> >1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=20
> >Honolulu, HI 96822=20
> >Main Phone: 808-956-9199=20
> >Main Fax: 808-956-7878=20
> >Main Email: [log in to unmask]
> >Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
> >
> >
> >and specifically:
> >
> >Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=20
> >808-983-8387=20
> >[log in to unmask] who administers the Fellowship
> in Developmental and
> >Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best
> person in the Islands to
> >work with.=20
> >
> >When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent
> went to a Yahoo or
> >Google based list, so you might want to do a search
> including those as
> >terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little
> while to CP Parent
> >(best source I could find) after the transition to
> get more info on
> >Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot, so
> it may be gone.
> >
> >Kendall=20
> >
> >An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> >
> >The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> >persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> >progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> >-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> >Lynette,
> >
> >I have looked for the cp parents list recently and
> could not find it=20
> >active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
> >I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've
> never tried it=20
> >because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts
> intellect. I was=20
> >very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the
> bad experience=20
> >because I still think in surgery less is more. Do
> you know anyone=20
> >else who has had or is doing the percutaneous
> lengthening? Also are=20
> >you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because
> his credentials=20
> >seem really good to me. Top of his class, top
> medical schools, and all
> >that.
> >Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their
> experiences please
> >help us.
> >These are the hardest decisions we all have to make
> because mistakes=20
> >can worsen not better the situation.
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >Linda
> >
> >At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>
> > >Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this
> list! I would never with
> >his
> > >disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral
> palsied child..yuck.
> >You're
> > >right, on parents list we state the disablity to
> share infomation. The
> >fact
> > >that my son has survied a miracle gives other
> parents who may have a
> >child
> > >whom has nearly drowned..hope.
> > >
> > >Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor
> lengthening. Cody uses
> >his
> > >feet for everything, if he could even use one
> finger he would be
> >elated. I
> > >don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> > >
> > >Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath
> came out. Head itching,
> >head
> > >aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back
> in as his shoulders
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:20:17 -0800
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wow, I would say "i may have cp but I'm not poor. "
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> [Original Message]
> From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/14/2006 1:01:15 PM
> Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
>
> I think that was great that someone made that magnificent gesture
> with the camera. Giving is a good value for sure. Perhaps I was wrong
> to be offended. Maybe we are always wrong to be offended. We are all
> just doing the best we can under difficult circumstances. I won't
> tell Case anything though as I did not let him know my feeling and so
> many adults tell him so many things, I think it is ok to let him
> figure this one out for himself. He is a kid with an incredible sense
> of fairness who never taunts or teases others even when they do so to
> him. I have been a little distraught watching this lately.
>
> At 10:05 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >I don't know about that Linda, I was in Kansas City for three years,
getting
> >my graduate degree, and was interested in getting a 35mm auto-focus SLR
> >camera. For those who don't know, SLR's were manually focused up until
1985
> >when Minolta came out with their line of Maxxum Cameras. I was
interested
> >in getting one of their cameras, so I went to Dolgins, a store like
Target
> >in Kansas City, to look at one. I ended up putting one on layaway, and
> >paying a third down. When I went back to pay the remaining 2 thirds of
the
> >layaway, the clerk told me the camera was mine, free and clear. The
person
> >behind me in line had paid up the bill for me. That was a $600 camera,
and
> >to this day I don't know who my benefactor was. Do you think I felt
> >offended? I felt grateful.
> >
> >You can tell Case to decline money, as I do now, but older people come
from
> >a time where if people had anything to share, they shared it with those
who
> >were less fortunate. People are funny, thoough. I'm not sure what the
> >woman would've done had he declined the dollar graciously.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
> >Linda Walker
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:52 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: New to list - intensive suit therapy - hand surgery?
> >
> >----<snip>----
> >
> > Talk about offensive - a woman on the street saw Case
> >walking and gave him a dollar asking what happened to him. He just
> >looks at her and says I have cp and I was born this way. He is too
> >young to be offended by that but I was.
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Lynette,
Most of the time you will not get much mail from our list, but people are
more talkative at certain times. Yesterday was crazy at my commission
meeting! People were really rude, talking over each other, it was
embarrassing like a circus. I jokingly commented to my helper that the moon
must be full, or mercury is in retrograde. our chairwoman heard me, and
said, yes, there is a full moon! I don't know, I don't follow it, but she
must really follow astrology. Anyway, not to worry, c-palsy is usually
quiet.
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> [Original Message]
> From: lynette smilelaughgiggle <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/14/2006 6:55:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Person first
>
> It is ok to speak out, I am already over it. Hey if you didn't speak out
I
> wouldn't have known it offended anyone. I will check into Feldenkraus,
> tried everything else..thanks.
>
> I put my message delivery on daily digest however, I got about 20 emails
> from the today. Any suggestions?
>
> Blessings to All,
> Lynette
>
> And yes, I am so tired of insurance companies making us all jump through
> hoopes....hurdles...etc. They just wait for us to give up and move on!!
>
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yes, we only rarely have a good brawl. we can be rough
and tumble, but usually quiet.
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Lynette,
> Most of the time you will not get much mail from our
> list, but people are
> more talkative at certain times. Yesterday was crazy
> at my commission
> meeting! People were really rude, talking over each
> other, it was
> embarrassing like a circus. I jokingly commented to
> my helper that the moon
> must be full, or mercury is in retrograde. our
> chairwoman heard me, and
> said, yes, there is a full moon! I don't know, I
> don't follow it, but she
> must really follow astrology. Anyway, not to worry,
> c-palsy is usually
> quiet.
>
> Mag
>
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> > [Original Message]
> > From: lynette smilelaughgiggle
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/14/2006 6:55:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: Person first
> >
> > It is ok to speak out, I am already over it. Hey
> if you didn't speak out
> I
> > wouldn't have known it offended anyone. I will
> check into Feldenkraus,
> > tried everything else..thanks.
> >
> > I put my message delivery on daily digest however,
> I got about 20 emails
> > from the today. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Blessings to All,
> > Lynette
> >
> > And yes, I am so tired of insurance companies
> making us all jump through
> > hoopes....hurdles...etc. They just wait for us to
> give up and move on!!
> >
> >
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:48:48 -0600
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No, I could not find the list or even the archives. Does anyone know what
happened to it?
Lynette
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Dec talk? dectalk is 25 years old. I'm getting a laptop and my dad is
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> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/14/2006 11:02:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
>
> Actually currently we have Destalk Synthesized Voices in the entire PRC
> product line, and in some of our newer devices we're introducing RealSpeak
> which delivers more realistic sounding voices. Over the years,
synthesized
> voices have improved but still aren't where I invision them being one day,
> but we're still making progress in the right direction.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Mike Collis
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
>
> Anthony, is the Pathfinder vocal? Can you have your choice of voices?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Arnold
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>
> I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both Kathy Jo and I use
> Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with because we have
> difficulties with our natural speech
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:32:27 -0600
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I don't know the age of dectalk, but I do know that my company started using
it when they introduced the Liberator in the early 90's, but it's definitely
long overdue, but we're trying. Also the research and development behind
communication devices is costly, and we don't mass produce like a regular
computer company does, and we can only charge within a certain range. This
is one of several reasons why my family and I are so against the Iraq War,
we're spending billions there trying to improve their human services, and
yet when something like a communication device, wheelchair or whatever gets
recommended for somebody, it's like pulling teeth to get funding. Don't get
me wrong, it's ok to help other countries, but we went at Iraq totally
wrong, but yet I feel we shouldn't just pull out without fixing what we
broke, because we have our creditability to restore.
Thanks,
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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:46 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
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Dec talk? dectalk is 25 years old. I'm getting a laptop and my dad is
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> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/14/2006 11:02:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
>
> Actually currently we have Destalk Synthesized Voices in the entire PRC
> product line, and in some of our newer devices we're introducing RealSpeak
> which delivers more realistic sounding voices. Over the years,
synthesized
> voices have improved but still aren't where I invision them being one day,
> but we're still making progress in the right direction.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Mike Collis
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
>
> Anthony, is the Pathfinder vocal? Can you have your choice of voices?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Arnold
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
>
> I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both Kathy Jo and I use
> Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with because we have
> difficulties with our natural speech
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:45:30 -0600
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Linda,
I don't know if you know this or not, but I live in Grand Forks North Dakota
almost 6 hours away from Gillette, and several people especially children
under age 18 travel down there for medical care, and are fairly satisfied
with the services. I also know a speech-language pathologist I often
communicate with who works there as a AAC Specialist.
Thanks,
Anthony
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Linda Walker
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:41 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
Anthony,
Of course it's your business if I brought it up on the list.
I welcome any ideas. We moved to HI from CA not that long ago and
his CA PT has definite ideas about where to get surgery done. She
thinks the Gillette Center in MN is the best because of the extensive
rehab program after surgery.
I found this Dr. Nuzzo on the internet and thought his way
of doing the surgery without opening up the whole leg sounded better.
Both my son and I have cheloid (sp?) scarring and I am afraid for the
scarring. It's called percutaneous muscle lengthening. Then Lynette
sent an email with parents who had a bad experience with him. We also
have a contact name of parents who love what he did.
I am not sure my grandsons parents have considered baclofen
pump seriously enough as an alternative to more invasive surgery. I
know it's surgery but it is reversible. I guess what I am most afraid
of is doing something irreversible and then having the doctors come
up with something much better. He is 7 and 1/2 now.
All the best,
Linda
At 01:09 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>I know that this is none of my business, but why wouldn't they consider
>having it done in Hawaii, isn't their medical system like ours?
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Linda Walker
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:22 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
>Thank you so much for this information. I don't think his parents are
>considering having anything done in Hawaii and traveling is no
>problem because his mother works in travel. She is in the process of
>getting her insurance changed from an HMO so that she has more
>flexibility with his care. She also has relatives in Colorado and
>baclofen seems like a simpler solution than surgery. The pump can be
>removed if it does not work but surgery can never be undone.
>
>At 09:55 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Linda,
> >
> >Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although depending
> >on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the dosage
> >of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
> >cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist decided
> >to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the drug
> >directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
> >as many side effects. =20
> >
> >She and her neurologist worked together for over a year and a half
> >trying to find another medication, combination of medications and/or
> >physical therapy that would have the desired effect, with no really
> >satisfactory results, and so she finally decided on the pump after we
> >found a really good surgeon to place it. =20
> >
> >We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who was more or less local,
> >and he didn't do the right type of test for Janet's symptoms, and so we
> >got delayed about 4 months getting things done right. We did Google
> >Scholar searches for papers written on spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
> >used to control it, then searched for the authors of the papers. Most
> >of the papers were by doctors from the University of Pittsburgh, and the
> >University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for us, one of the authors
> >had recently relocated to Colorado Springs, because they're starting a
> >Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is only about 200 miles
> >away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham. He had done his
> >residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in pediatric neurosurgery in
> >Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds neurosurgery and general
> >neurosurgery.
> >
> >Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact the Hawaii UCEDD,=20
> >
> >Center on Disability Studies=20
> >University of Hawaii at Manoa=20
> >College of Education=20
> >1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=20
> >Honolulu, HI 96822=20
> >Main Phone: 808-956-9199=20
> >Main Fax: 808-956-7878=20
> >Main Email: [log in to unmask]
> >Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
> >
> >
> >and specifically:
> >
> >Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=20
> >808-983-8387=20
> >[log in to unmask] who administers the Fellowship in Developmental and
> >Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best person in the Islands to
> >work with.=20
> >
> >When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent went to a Yahoo or
> >Google based list, so you might want to do a search including those as
> >terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little while to CP Parent
> >(best source I could find) after the transition to get more info on
> >Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot, so it may be gone.
> >
> >Kendall=20
> >
> >An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
> >
> >The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> >persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> >progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> >-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> >Lynette,
> >
> >I have looked for the cp parents list recently and could not find it=20
> >active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
> >I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've never tried it=20
> >because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts intellect. I was=20
> >very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the bad experience=20
> >because I still think in surgery less is more. Do you know anyone=20
> >else who has had or is doing the percutaneous lengthening? Also are=20
> >you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because his credentials=20
> >seem really good to me. Top of his class, top medical schools, and all
> >that.
> >Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their experiences please
> >help us.
> >These are the hardest decisions we all have to make because mistakes=20
> >can worsen not better the situation.
> >
> >All the best,
> >
> >Linda
> >
> >At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>
> > >Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never with
> >his
> > >disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied child..yuck.
> >You're
> > >right, on parents list we state the disablity to share infomation. The
> >fact
> > >that my son has survied a miracle gives other parents who may have a
> >child
> > >whom has nearly drowned..hope.
> > >
> > >Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody uses
> >his
> > >feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he would be
> >elated. I
> > >don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> > >
> > >Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head itching,
> >head
> > >aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in as his shoulders
> >are
> > >dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to the guy in Colorado,
> >it is
> > >not an easy surgery.
> > >
> > >Sorry I offended anyone....
> > >
> > >Lynette, Cody's mom
> > >
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:01:24 -1000
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Anthony,
No I did not know that. it's something we are considering but the
operations are heavy duty. The muscle lengthening involves a lot of
cutting and I think later scar tissue can be a problem. Anyhow I am
not the final decision maker, I am doing some of the research and so
are they. I am glad my kids are grown and I don't have to make any
more medical decisions for anyone. It's a huge responsibility and I
wonder if Case should be given the different options and asked what
he thinks even tho he is so young. It is his body.
If they finally decide on the muscle lengthening I am pretty certain
they will go to Gillette.
You might be getting news about the polygamist encampment they found
in the Black Hills then. I am very involved in that with my work.
All the best,
Linda
dAt 08:45 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Linda,
>
>I don't know if you know this or not, but I live in Grand Forks North Dakota
>almost 6 hours away from Gillette, and several people especially children
>under age 18 travel down there for medical care, and are fairly satisfied
>with the services. I also know a speech-language pathologist I often
>communicate with who works there as a AAC Specialist.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Linda Walker
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:41 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
>Anthony,
> Of course it's your business if I brought it up on the list.
>I welcome any ideas. We moved to HI from CA not that long ago and
>his CA PT has definite ideas about where to get surgery done. She
>thinks the Gillette Center in MN is the best because of the extensive
>rehab program after surgery.
> I found this Dr. Nuzzo on the internet and thought his way
>of doing the surgery without opening up the whole leg sounded better.
>Both my son and I have cheloid (sp?) scarring and I am afraid for the
>scarring. It's called percutaneous muscle lengthening. Then Lynette
>sent an email with parents who had a bad experience with him. We also
>have a contact name of parents who love what he did.
> I am not sure my grandsons parents have considered baclofen
>pump seriously enough as an alternative to more invasive surgery. I
>know it's surgery but it is reversible. I guess what I am most afraid
>of is doing something irreversible and then having the doctors come
>up with something much better. He is 7 and 1/2 now.
>
>All the best,
>
>Linda
>
>
>At 01:09 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >I know that this is none of my business, but why wouldn't they consider
> >having it done in Hawaii, isn't their medical system like ours?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >Linda Walker
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:22 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> >Thank you so much for this information. I don't think his parents are
> >considering having anything done in Hawaii and traveling is no
> >problem because his mother works in travel. She is in the process of
> >getting her insurance changed from an HMO so that she has more
> >flexibility with his care. She also has relatives in Colorado and
> >baclofen seems like a simpler solution than surgery. The pump can be
> >removed if it does not work but surgery can never be undone.
> >
> >At 09:55 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> > >Linda,
> > >
> > >Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although depending
> > >on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the dosage
> > >of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
> > >cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist decided
> > >to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the drug
> > >directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
> > >as many side effects. =20
> > >
> > >She and her neurologist worked together for over a year and a half
> > >trying to find another medication, combination of medications and/or
> > >physical therapy that would have the desired effect, with no really
> > >satisfactory results, and so she finally decided on the pump after we
> > >found a really good surgeon to place it. =20
> > >
> > >We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who was more or less local,
> > >and he didn't do the right type of test for Janet's symptoms, and so we
> > >got delayed about 4 months getting things done right. We did Google
> > >Scholar searches for papers written on spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
> > >used to control it, then searched for the authors of the papers. Most
> > >of the papers were by doctors from the University of Pittsburgh, and the
> > >University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for us, one of the authors
> > >had recently relocated to Colorado Springs, because they're starting a
> > >Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is only about 200 miles
> > >away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham. He had done his
> > >residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in pediatric neurosurgery in
> > >Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds neurosurgery and general
> > >neurosurgery.
> > >
> > >Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact the Hawaii UCEDD,=20
> > >
> > >Center on Disability Studies=20
> > >University of Hawaii at Manoa=20
> > >College of Education=20
> > >1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=20
> > >Honolulu, HI 96822=20
> > >Main Phone: 808-956-9199=20
> > >Main Fax: 808-956-7878=20
> > >Main Email: [log in to unmask]
> > >Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >and specifically:
> > >
> > >Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=20
> > >808-983-8387=20
> > >[log in to unmask] who administers the Fellowship in Developmental and
> > >Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best person in the Islands to
> > >work with.=20
> > >
> > >When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent went to a Yahoo or
> > >Google based list, so you might want to do a search including those as
> > >terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little while to CP Parent
> > >(best source I could find) after the transition to get more info on
> > >Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot, so it may be gone.
> > >
> > >Kendall=20
> > >
> > >An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
> > >
> > >The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> > >persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> > >progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > >-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> > >
> > >Lynette,
> > >
> > >I have looked for the cp parents list recently and could not find it=20
> > >active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
> > >I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case. We've never tried it=20
> > >because he is so bright and we've heard it impacts intellect. I was=20
> > >very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with the bad experience=20
> > >because I still think in surgery less is more. Do you know anyone=20
> > >else who has had or is doing the percutaneous lengthening? Also are=20
> > >you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery because his credentials=20
> > >seem really good to me. Top of his class, top medical schools, and all
> > >that.
> > >Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their experiences please
> > >help us.
> > >These are the hardest decisions we all have to make because mistakes=20
> > >can worsen not better the situation.
> > >
> > >All the best,
> > >
> > >Linda
> > >
> > >At 03:23 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > >Wow...sorry I offended so many of you on this list! I would never with
> > >his
> > > >disability before him, he is NOT a cerebral palsied child..yuck.
> > >You're
> > > >right, on parents list we state the disablity to share infomation. The
> > >fact
> > > >that my son has survied a miracle gives other parents who may have a
> > >child
> > > >whom has nearly drowned..hope.
> > > >
> > > >Hand sugery; I think thumbs and wrist flexor lengthening. Cody uses
> > >his
> > > >feet for everything, if he could even use one finger he would be
> > >elated. I
> > > >don't know of anyone who has had the surgery.
> > > >
> > > >Pump; We went through withdrawals as the cath came out. Head itching,
> > >head
> > > >aches, increased spasticty. We still put it back in as his shoulders
> > >are
> > > >dislocating daily from spasticity. I would go to the guy in Colorado,
> > >it is
> > > >not an easy surgery.
> > > >
> > > >Sorry I offended anyone....
> > > >
> > > >Lynette, Cody's mom
> > > >
> > > >_________________________________________________________________
> > > >Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> > > >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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The way out of war towards peace is through communication. How ironic
that R & D for communication is stopped by warhead development.
Anthony I am in the middle of some huge army bases here on Oahu and
talking with returning GI's and civilians who have been there I can
pretty safely say that we are there to build bases so we can go into
other countries starting with Iran next. This is a total wrong
direction. We need to be developing alternatives to oil as fast as
possible not using our might to steal what's left of a diminishing resource.
At 08:32 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>I don't know the age of dectalk, but I do know that my company started using
>it when they introduced the Liberator in the early 90's, but it's definitely
>long overdue, but we're trying. Also the research and development behind
>communication devices is costly, and we don't mass produce like a regular
>computer company does, and we can only charge within a certain range. This
>is one of several reasons why my family and I are so against the Iraq War,
>we're spending billions there trying to improve their human services, and
>yet when something like a communication device, wheelchair or whatever gets
>recommended for somebody, it's like pulling teeth to get funding. Don't get
>me wrong, it's ok to help other countries, but we went at Iraq totally
>wrong, but yet I feel we shouldn't just pull out without fixing what we
>broke, because we have our creditability to restore.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Magenta Raine
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:46 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
>
>Dec talk? dectalk is 25 years old. I'm getting a laptop and my dad is
>putting the at&t female voice on it, I think is best voice I ever heard.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/14/2006 11:02:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
> >
> > Actually currently we have Destalk Synthesized Voices in the entire PRC
> > product line, and in some of our newer devices we're introducing RealSpeak
> > which delivers more realistic sounding voices. Over the years,
>synthesized
> > voices have improved but still aren't where I invision them being one day,
> > but we're still making progress in the right direction.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Mike Collis
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:25 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Pathfinder.Was: RE: CNN Breaking News
> >
> > Anthony, is the Pathfinder vocal? Can you have your choice of voices?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Anthony Arnold
> > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:56 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News
> >
> > I'm sure that everybody on the list knows this, both Kathy Jo and I use
> > Pathfinder communication devices to communicate with because we have
> > difficulties with our natural speech
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In a message dated 3/14/2006 1:56:09 PM Central Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although depending
> on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the dosage
> of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
> cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist decided
> to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the drug
> directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
> as many side effects. =20
>
Kendall,
I have to disagree with you here. Ryan took oral Baclofen for a short time,
and he complained very pitifully: "I can't think."
My understanding of the pump is that the dosage of Baclofen administered into
the spine can be reduced to a minuscule quantity, compared to the oral
medication, with much greater positive effects because the medicine goes straight
where it is needed without having to cross the blood-brain barrier.
I'm so glad to hear this is working out well for Janet!
Continued success,
Wanda
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In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:47:05 PM Central Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Deri
>
> An unseasonable man (but my wife says that's abundant!)
ROFL!! Deri, that's priceless!
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:05:56 -0600
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I might be thinking 10-20 years in the future again where there might be
likely a possibility of doing this, but currently are you able to direct
Baclofen to certain parts where a individual may need it the most? I know
this is way out of my area of specialty, but it would be quite amazing if it
could.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
[log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:47 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
In a message dated 3/14/2006 1:56:09 PM Central Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although depending
> on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the dosage
> of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
> cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist decided
> to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the drug
> directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
> as many side effects. =20
>
Kendall,
I have to disagree with you here. Ryan took oral Baclofen for a short time,
and he complained very pitifully: "I can't think."
My understanding of the pump is that the dosage of Baclofen administered
into
the spine can be reduced to a minuscule quantity, compared to the oral
medication, with much greater positive effects because the medicine goes
straight
where it is needed without having to cross the blood-brain barrier.
I'm so glad to hear this is working out well for Janet!
Continued success,
Wanda
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:05:00 -0500
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Have they ruled out Botox with serial casting and then intense therapy
afterwards?
Beth t the OT
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Linda Walker
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:01 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
Anthony,
No I did not know that. it's something we are considering but the operations
are heavy duty. The muscle lengthening involves a lot of cutting and I think
later scar tissue can be a problem. Anyhow I am not the final decision
maker, I am doing some of the research and so are they. I am glad my kids
are grown and I don't have to make any more medical decisions for anyone.
It's a huge responsibility and I wonder if Case should be given the
different options and asked what he thinks even tho he is so young. It is
his body.
If they finally decide on the muscle lengthening I am pretty certain they
will go to Gillette.
You might be getting news about the polygamist encampment they found in the
Black Hills then. I am very involved in that with my work.
All the best,
Linda
dAt 08:45 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
>Linda,
>
>I don't know if you know this or not, but I live in Grand Forks North
>Dakota almost 6 hours away from Gillette, and several people especially
>children under age 18 travel down there for medical care, and are
>fairly satisfied with the services. I also know a speech-language
>pathologist I often communicate with who works there as a AAC Specialist.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:44:21 -0600
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From: lynette smilelaughgiggle <[log in to unmask]>
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Anthony,
You are right on target. We just moved the catheter of Cody's pump up to
control upper body spasticity. Very few docs will step out of the box to
do so. It really did help as he is not in as much pain (his shoulder's were
dislocating daily from spasticity). Now that we have given the area a
better environment, we will repair the damage and hopefully we are over that
hurdle. Irony: I took 13th at Iowa State Drake relays...in hurdles!
Lynette, Cody's mom geocities.com/codylol
I might be thinking 10-20 years in the future again where there might be
likely a possibility of doing this, but currently are you able to direct
Baclofen to certain parts where a individual may need it the most? I know
this is way out of my area of specialty, but it would be quite amazing if it
could.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:49:19 -0700
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The people I know who were health care providers in Hawaii were both Air =
Force, so that may have colored their perceptions.
=20
Kendall
________________________________
From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tue 3/14/2006 7:58 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
i am happy you are looking off the islands. i have a
nurse friend that gave me a heads up that in hiwaii
the medicle treatment is not the best even on ouhu
which is the best of the islands in that sense.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Anthony,
> Of course it's your business if I brought
> it up on the list.
> I welcome any ideas. We moved to HI from CA not
> that long ago and
> his CA PT has definite ideas about where to get
> surgery done. She
> thinks the Gillette Center in MN is the best because
> of the extensive
> rehab program after surgery.
> I found this Dr. Nuzzo on the internet and
> thought his way
> of doing the surgery without opening up the whole
> leg sounded better.
> Both my son and I have cheloid (sp?) scarring and I
> am afraid for the
> scarring. It's called percutaneous muscle
> lengthening. Then Lynette
> sent an email with parents who had a bad experience
> with him. We also
> have a contact name of parents who love what he did.
> I am not sure my grandsons parents have
> considered baclofen
> pump seriously enough as an alternative to more
> invasive surgery. I
> know it's surgery but it is reversible. I guess what
> I am most afraid
> of is doing something irreversible and then having
> the doctors come
> up with something much better. He is 7 and 1/2 now.
>
> All the best,
>
> Linda
>
>
> At 01:09 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >I know that this is none of my business, but why
> wouldn't they consider
> >having it done in Hawaii, isn't their medical
> system like ours?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >Linda Walker
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:22 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> >Thank you so much for this information. I don't
> think his parents are
> >considering having anything done in Hawaii and
> traveling is no
> >problem because his mother works in travel. She is
> in the process of
> >getting her insurance changed from an HMO so that
> she has more
> >flexibility with his care. She also has relatives
> in Colorado and
> >baclofen seems like a simpler solution than
> surgery. The pump can be
> >removed if it does not work but surgery can never
> be undone.
> >
> >At 09:55 AM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> > >Linda,
> > >
> > >Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact
> intellect, although depending
> > >on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a
> person has, and the dosage
> > >of oral Baclofen required to control that
> spasticity/dystonia, it can
> > >cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and
> her neurologist decided
> > >to go with the pump, because it makes it possible
> to introduce the drug
> > >directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts
> directly, without nearly
> > >as many side effects. =3D20
> > >
> > >She and her neurologist worked together for over
> a year and a half
> > >trying to find another medication, combination of
> medications and/or
> > >physical therapy that would have the desired
> effect, with no really
> > >satisfactory results, and so she finally decided
> on the pump after we
> > >found a really good surgeon to place it. =3D20
> > >
> > >We did a Baclofen test dose with a surgeon who
> was more or less local,
> > >and he didn't do the right type of test for
> Janet's symptoms, and so we
> > >got delayed about 4 months getting things done
> right. We did Google
> > >Scholar searches for papers written on
> spastic/dystonic CP, and methods
> > >used to control it, then searched for the authors
> of the papers. Most
> > >of the papers were by doctors from the University
> of Pittsburgh, and the
> > >University of Alabama-Birmingham. Luckily for
> us, one of the authors
> > >had recently relocated to Colorado Springs,
> because they're starting a
> > >Children's Hospital there. Colorado Springs is
> only about 200 miles
> > >away, a lot closer than Pittsburgh or Birmingham.
> He had done his
> > >residency in Pittsburgh, and a fellowship in
> pediatric neurosurgery in
> > >Birmingham, and is boarded in both peds
> neurosurgery and general
> > >neurosurgery.
> > >
> > >Since you're in Hawaii, you might want to contact
> the Hawaii UCEDD,=3D20
> > >
> > >Center on Disability Studies=3D20
> > >University of Hawaii at Manoa=3D20
> > >College of Education=3D20
> > >1776 University Avenue, UA 4-6=3D20
> > >Honolulu, HI 96822=3D20
> > >Main Phone: 808-956-9199=3D20
> > >Main Fax: 808-956-7878=3D20
> > >Main Email: [log in to unmask]
> > >Website: http://www.cds.hawaii.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >and specifically:
> > >
> > >Jeffrey Okamoto, MD=3D20
> > >808-983-8387=3D20
> > >[log in to unmask] who administers the
> Fellowship in Developmental and
> > >Behavioral Pediatrics (DeeBeePeds) for the best
> person in the Islands to
> > >work with.=3D20
> > >
> > >When St. Johns shut down their lists, CP Parent
> went to a Yahoo or
> > >Google based list, so you might want to do a
> search including those as
> > >terms as well. I stayed subscribed for a little
> while to CP Parent
> > >(best source I could find) after the transition
> to get more info on
> > >Baclofen, but traffic seemed to drop off a lot,
> so it may be gone.
> > >
> > >Kendall=3D20
> > >
> > >An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> > >
> > >The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the unreasonable one
> > >persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> > >progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > >-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Linda Walker
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:25 AM
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> > >
> > >Lynette,
> > >
> > >I have looked for the cp parents list recently
> and could not find it=3D20
> > >active. Is their a url for it that you know of?
> > >I am wondering about oral baclofen for Case.
> We've never tried it=3D20
> > >because he is so bright and we've heard it
> impacts intellect. I was=3D20
> > >very sorry to read about the Nuzzo parent with
> the bad experience=3D20
> > >because I still think in surgery less is more. Do
> you know anyone=3D20
> > >else who has had or is doing the percutaneous
> lengthening? Also are=3D20
> > >you considering Nuzzo for your sons surgery
> because his credentials=3D20
> > >seem really good to me. Top of his class, top
> medical schools, and all
> > >that.
> > >Anyone else want to speak about surgery and their
> experiences please
> > >help us.
> > >These are the hardest decisions we all have to
> make
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:24:10 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
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Wanda,
=20
YMMV; in Janet's case, she wanted to go higher on the oral baclofen, but =
her neurologist said "Are you nuts? You weigh 110 pounds, and you're =
getting 120 mgs a day now!" You're right about dosage differentials, in =
that ITB doses are measured in _micrograms_, where oral is in =
_milligrams_. When Janet was first at 120 mgs/day of oral, she was very =
sleepy (falling asleep in meetings, etc. - some of that's normal, but =
falling dead asleep is another thing.). In an otherwise active kid, =
this could well be a problem.
________________________________
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wed 3/15/2006 8:46 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
In a message dated 3/14/2006 1:56:09 PM Central Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although =
depending
> on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the =
dosage
> of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
> cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist =
decided
> to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the =
drug
> directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
> as many side effects. =3D20
>
Kendall,
I have to disagree with you here. Ryan took oral Baclofen for a short =
time,
and he complained very pitifully: "I can't think."
My understanding of the pump is that the dosage of Baclofen administered =
into
the spine can be reduced to a minuscule quantity, compared to the oral
medication, with much greater positive effects because the medicine goes =
straight
where it is needed without having to cross the blood-brain barrier.
I'm so glad to hear this is working out well for Janet!
Continued success,
Wanda
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:29:09 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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I may be way off base here, but over the years I have met some clientele who
have been so physically involved that either accessing a communication
device or just simply typing and operating a computer is a challenge and
very tiresome, would Baclofen help in this regard? If no one knows, I can
always ask one of our speech-language pathologists at work to see if they
have any research on this. One thing I have learned from the engineers I
have access to, sure we can develop great technology, but other things like
PT & OT are needed to get better results instead of just having a good
device available.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:24 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
Wanda,
=20
YMMV; in Janet's case, she wanted to go higher on the oral baclofen, but =
her neurologist said "Are you nuts? You weigh 110 pounds, and you're =
getting 120 mgs a day now!" You're right about dosage differentials, in =
that ITB doses are measured in _micrograms_, where oral is in =
_milligrams_. When Janet was first at 120 mgs/day of oral, she was very =
sleepy (falling asleep in meetings, etc. - some of that's normal, but =
falling dead asleep is another thing.). In an otherwise active kid, =
this could well be a problem.
________________________________
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wed 3/15/2006 8:46 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
In a message dated 3/14/2006 1:56:09 PM Central Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Baclofen itself doesn't negatively impact intellect, although =
depending
> on the degree of spasticity and/or dystonia a person has, and the =
dosage
> of oral Baclofen required to control that spasticity/dystonia, it can
> cause lethargy/drowsiness. That's why Janet and her neurologist =
decided
> to go with the pump, because it makes it possible to introduce the =
drug
> directly into the spinal fluid, where it acts directly, without nearly
> as many side effects. =3D20
>
Kendall,
I have to disagree with you here. Ryan took oral Baclofen for a short =
time,
and he complained very pitifully: "I can't think."
My understanding of the pump is that the dosage of Baclofen administered =
into
the spine can be reduced to a minuscule quantity, compared to the oral
medication, with much greater positive effects because the medicine goes =
straight
where it is needed without having to cross the blood-brain barrier.
I'm so glad to hear this is working out well for Janet!
Continued success,
Wanda
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:16:52 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Address for CPParent
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Lynette or Linda,
=20
Don't remember for sure which one of you was looking for the new address
for CP Parent, but this is the address that I found when I was looking
for something else:
=20
[log in to unmask]
=20
=20
Kendall=20
=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
=20
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
=20
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
=20
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:21:45 +0000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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On Thursday 16 Mar 2006 03:53, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:47:05 PM Central Standard Time,
>
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> > Deri
> >
> > An unseasonable man (but my wife says that's abundant!)
>
> ROFL!! Deri, that's priceless!
Bang goes another theory (about noone reading sigs)!! I did wonder if Kendall
might notice though!!
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:33:24 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
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Deri,
I did notice! I still like Janet's better, though! But there's nothing
wrong with what your wife says, either! ;-{)}
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Deri James [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
On Thursday 16 Mar 2006 03:53, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:47:05 PM Central Standard Time,
>
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> > Deri
> >
> > An unseasonable man (but my wife says that's abundant!)
>
> ROFL!! Deri, that's priceless!
Bang goes another theory (about noone reading sigs)!! I did wonder if
Kendall=20
might notice though!!
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:32:43 EST
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask]
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Doctors had said that to me. I was on the verge of losing Medicaid at the
time, and after I didn't have medical for a couple years until I made it to
full time status at work. The HMO I have now wouldn't cover for it.
Have they ruled out Botox with serial casting and then intense therapy
afterwards?
Beth t the OT
Walk away before I finish what you started. Face to face I will put you in
your place. End this game before I finish what you started. Face to face
everything will change.
"Stand Up" by Trapt
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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:07:30 -0800
Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
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I saw it, deri, and grinned! clever brit! seasonless rofl
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/16/2006 3:33:33 PM
> Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> Deri,
>
> I did notice! I still like Janet's better, though! But there's nothing
> wrong with what your wife says, either! ;-{)}
>
> Kendall=20
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deri James [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:22 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> On Thursday 16 Mar 2006 03:53, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:47:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> >
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > Deri
> > >
> > > An unseasonable man (but my wife says that's abundant!)
> >
> > ROFL!! Deri, that's priceless!
>
> Bang goes another theory (about noone reading sigs)!! I did wonder if
> Kendall=20
> might notice though!!
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:24:25 EST
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
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In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:21:53 PM Central Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Bang goes another theory (about noone reading sigs)!! I did wonder if
> Kendall
> might notice though!!
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
It's priceless because of the play on Kendall's line (AND it's so very
British).
Yes, I do read them.
Thanks for the best laugh of the day again today.
wanda
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:28:59 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FW: Looking for Keyguard
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Friends,=20
I thought I might forward this message from the ACOLUG list, and perhaps
some of you know where we can find this kind of computer keyguard,
unfortunately keyguards are becoming things of the past as other
alternatives are more available. =20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Augmentative Communication Online Users Group
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of tom reed
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Looking for Keyguard
Can anybody tell me if anyone makes a keyguard for a apple keyboard that
came with a g4? For the past years, I have been using a keyboard =
keyguard
combination that I purchased from ORCCA technology. While it serves it
purposes, I would love to be using the other keyboard as it has volume
control, which I don't have on my current one.
--=20
Tom Reed
USSAAC Board of Directors
Co-Director / Great Lakes Region
Visit my web site at <a href=3D=B2www.tjreed.com=B2>tjreed.com</a>=20
Visit the ACOLUG home page at: http://disabilities.temple.edu/acolug/
Please remember that all messages posted to ACOLUG are public, and =
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:49:33 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Looking for Keyguard
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Anthony,
Not sure if this one will fill the bill, but the company that makes it, =
MaxiAids, might have something else that would. A lot of their products =
are designed for people with low vision, but are flexible enough to be =
used by people with mobility disabilities as well.
http://www.maxiaids.com/store/prodView.asp?utm_source=3DFroogle&utm_mediu=
m=3Dorganic&utm_campaign=3DFroogle&idAff=3D15225&idproduct=3D3152
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one =
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all =
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: FW: Looking for Keyguard
Friends,=20
I thought I might forward this message from the ACOLUG list, and perhaps
some of you know where we can find this kind of computer keyguard,
unfortunately keyguards are becoming things of the past as other
alternatives are more available. =20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Augmentative Communication Online Users Group
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of tom reed
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Looking for Keyguard
Can anybody tell me if anyone makes a keyguard for a apple keyboard that
came with a g4? For the past years, I have been using a keyboard =
keyguard
combination that I purchased from ORCCA technology. While it serves it
purposes, I would love to be using the other keyboard as it has volume
control, which I don't have on my current one.
--=20
Tom Reed
USSAAC Board of Directors
Co-Director / Great Lakes Region
Visit my web site at <a href=3D=B2www.tjreed.com=B2>tjreed.com</a>=20
Visit the ACOLUG home page at: http://disabilities.temple.edu/acolug/
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:23:16 -0600
Reply-To: Cheryl Kloss <[log in to unmask]>
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Turning Point Therapy and Technology, Inc makes keyguards for the G-4 as well as many other keyboards...and will do custom keyguards.
www.turningpointtechnology.com
Cheryl Kloss
-----Original Message-----
>From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Mar 17, 2006 4:28 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: FW: Looking for Keyguard
>
>Friends,=20
>
>I thought I might forward this message from the ACOLUG list, and perhaps
>some of you know where we can find this kind of computer keyguard,
>unfortunately keyguards are becoming things of the past as other
>alternatives are more available. =20
>
>Thanks,=20
>Anthony=20
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Augmentative Communication Online Users Group
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of tom reed
>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:00 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Looking for Keyguard
>
>Can anybody tell me if anyone makes a keyguard for a apple keyboard that
>came with a g4? For the past years, I have been using a keyboard =
>keyguard
>combination that I purchased from ORCCA technology. While it serves it
>purposes, I would love to be using the other keyboard as it has volume
>control, which I don't have on my current one.
>
>--=20
>Tom Reed
>USSAAC Board of Directors
>Co-Director / Great Lakes Region
>Visit my web site at <a href=3D=B2www.tjreed.com=B2>tjreed.com</a>=20
>
>Visit the ACOLUG home page at: http://disabilities.temple.edu/acolug/
>
>Please remember that all messages posted to ACOLUG are public, and =
>copies of
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:06:41 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Gary Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: FW: CNN Breaking News
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Hi all!
WOW, reading this makes me wonder if I should go get a chest-lung
x-ray?? I don't smoke and I try not to be around those who do. I ask
my staff and anyone else I know who smokes to please do so outside.
But do to my job and the way I travel, it's hard to avoid the second
hand stuff.
Gary
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Magenta Raine wrote:
> This made me so sad. The next time anybody says you can't get cancer from
> second hand smoke, remind them of this lovely lady...
>
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>> [Original Message]
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>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: 3/11/2006 11:53:20 AM
>> Subject: FW: CNN Breaking News
>>
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:41:38 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Elizabeth Thiers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
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Improving muscle use definitely helps with communication device use. Also,
good seating, and appropriate placement of the device that utilizes the
persons natural movements.
Beth t the OT
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
I may be way off base here, but over the years I have met some clientele who
have been so physically involved that either accessing a communication
device or just simply typing and operating a computer is a challenge and
very tiresome, would Baclofen help in this regard? If no one knows, I can
always ask one of our speech-language pathologists at work to see if they
have any research on this. One thing I have learned from the engineers I
have access to, sure we can develop great technology, but other things like
PT & OT are needed to get better results instead of just having a good
device available.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:23:57 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
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Beth,
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I remember once we were
in attendance at the Pittsburgh Employment Conference for augmentative and
alternative communicators, where we met up with a gal from Orange County
California, and due to her severe spasticity, she was only able to activate
her communication device by use of a switch for single switch scanning that
was mounted by her knee, I remember how tiresome it was for her but she sure
enjoyed her system. My father was also in attendance, and he suggested to
this gal and her attendant that they should probably look into the Baclofen
pump to get more out of not only her communication device but other
technology that she also had. We stayed in contact with this gal and her
mother for a while, but I feel it got too overwhelming, and when the device
finally died they simply gave up which is too bad. Cases like this also
hurt images of AAC companies, but we can only do so much to insure success
storys, and other people and elements have to come into play.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth Thiers
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:42 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
Improving muscle use definitely helps with communication device use. Also,
good seating, and appropriate placement of the device that utilizes the
persons natural movements.
Beth t the OT
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
I may be way off base here, but over the years I have met some clientele who
have been so physically involved that either accessing a communication
device or just simply typing and operating a computer is a challenge and
very tiresome, would Baclofen help in this regard? If no one knows, I can
always ask one of our speech-language pathologists at work to see if they
have any research on this. One thing I have learned from the engineers I
have access to, sure we can develop great technology, but other things like
PT & OT are needed to get better results instead of just having a good
device available.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:57:40 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: CP Parent List
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Friends,
A little while back in the discussions here, the list for parents of
children with cerebral palsy came up, and I'm just wondering if you know how
somebody might subscribe to that? I might be interested in subscribing to
get a feel for it, also being heavily involved with augmentative and
alternative communication, I might be helpful to various parents.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
=========================================================================
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:33:47 -0800
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Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
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Anthony, I think it's really terrific that you work for the prentich ronake
company. I missed your message somehow about how the war in iraq is
affecting speech technology. I want to know about this, could you please
resend your message either privately or on list?
Thanks,
Mag
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[log in to unmask]
Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/18/2006 12:24:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> Beth,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I remember once we were
> in attendance at the Pittsburgh Employment Conference for augmentative and
> alternative communicators, where we met up with a gal from Orange County
> California, and due to her severe spasticity, she was only able to
activate
> her communication device by use of a switch for single switch scanning
that
> was mounted by her knee, I remember how tiresome it was for her but she
sure
> enjoyed her system. My father was also in attendance, and he suggested to
> this gal and her attendant that they should probably look into the
Baclofen
> pump to get more out of not only her communication device but other
> technology that she also had. We stayed in contact with this gal and her
> mother for a while, but I feel it got too overwhelming, and when the
device
> finally died they simply gave up which is too bad. Cases like this also
> hurt images of AAC companies, but we can only do so much to insure success
> storys, and other people and elements have to come into play.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Elizabeth Thiers
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:42 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
>
>
> Improving muscle use definitely helps with communication device use.
Also,
> good seating, and appropriate placement of the device that utilizes the
> persons natural movements.
>
> Beth t the OT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Arnold
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> I may be way off base here, but over the years I have met some clientele
who
> have been so physically involved that either accessing a communication
> device or just simply typing and operating a computer is a challenge and
> very tiresome, would Baclofen help in this regard? If no one knows, I can
> always ask one of our speech-language pathologists at work to see if they
> have any research on this. One thing I have learned from the engineers I
> have access to, sure we can develop great technology, but other things
like
> PT & OT are needed to get better results instead of just having a good
> device available.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -
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Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:54:19 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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Mag,
Thanks for the comment, I truly enjoy helping the Prentke Romich Company
deliver and support communication device technology and other assistive
technology to those who need it in order to live productive lives. The
current war in Iraq isn't really keeping us away from doing PRC's mission,
but however I think that the billions that we're spending on Iraq could go
to better causes like purchasing wheelchairs, communication devices and
whatever else somebody needs to live a happy and healthy life.
In fact, I had a meeting with Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa shortly after we
heard about possible cuts in food stamps, and he wasn't impressed with that
news. Needless to say that food stamps wasn't actually the reason why we
met, it happened to come up in conversation. The true agenda was to ensure
that there's money for speech evaluations, there's currently only money for
2 hour evaluations, and for communication device evaluations you need 5
hours to get a good assessment, and many speech-language pathologists are
turned off. I think we insured that money, but they might call me in to
meet with Clinton (something I'm looking forward to possibly doing).
Needless to say the Prentke Romich Company doesn't want me to meet with
Bush, having access to a communication device with a unlimited vocabulary,
that would be dangerous :)
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Magenta Raine
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:34 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
Anthony, I think it's really terrific that you work for the prentich ronake
company. I missed your message somehow about how the war in iraq is
affecting speech technology. I want to know about this, could you please
resend your message either privately or on list?
Thanks,
Mag
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[log in to unmask]
Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/18/2006 12:24:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> Beth,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I remember once we were
> in attendance at the Pittsburgh Employment Conference for augmentative and
> alternative communicators, where we met up with a gal from Orange County
> California, and due to her severe spasticity, she was only able to
activate
> her communication device by use of a switch for single switch scanning
that
> was mounted by her knee, I remember how tiresome it was for her but she
sure
> enjoyed her system. My father was also in attendance, and he suggested to
> this gal and her attendant that they should probably look into the
Baclofen
> pump to get more out of not only her communication device but other
> technology that she also had. We stayed in contact with this gal and her
> mother for a while, but I feel it got too overwhelming, and when the
device
> finally died they simply gave up which is too bad. Cases like this also
> hurt images of AAC companies, but we can only do so much to insure success
> storys, and other people and elements have to come into play.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Elizabeth Thiers
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:42 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
>
>
> Improving muscle use definitely helps with communication device use.
Also,
> good seating, and appropriate placement of the device that utilizes the
> persons natural movements.
>
> Beth t the OT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Arnold
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> I may be way off base here, but over the years I have met some clientele
who
> have been so physically involved that either accessing a communication
> device or just simply typing and operating a computer is a challenge and
> very tiresome, would Baclofen help in this regard? If no one knows, I can
> always ask one of our speech-language pathologists at work to see if they
> have any research on this. One thing I have learned from the engineers I
> have access to, sure we can develop great technology, but other things
like
> PT & OT are needed to get better results instead of just having a good
> device available.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -
=========================================================================
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:46:14 -0800
Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
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Oh yes, I know about those evals,my dad would rather spend the money on a
laptop than pay for a private evaluation. i think it's too bad they charge
so much, and it's also too bad that medicaid only pays $300 for one.
What is also bad, is how medicare, medicaid will pay for an indoor
wheelchair, that's like giving an amputee legs but if they were to say if
you break your prosethic legs doing something outside, we will not pay to
repair them. *banging head on brick wall*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[log in to unmask]
Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/18/2006 9:54:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> Mag,
>
> Thanks for the comment, I truly enjoy helping the Prentke Romich Company
> deliver and support communication device technology and other assistive
> technology to those who need it in order to live productive lives. The
> current war in Iraq isn't really keeping us away from doing PRC's mission,
> but however I think that the billions that we're spending on Iraq could go
> to better causes like purchasing wheelchairs, communication devices and
> whatever else somebody needs to live a happy and healthy life.
>
> In fact, I had a meeting with Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa shortly after
we
> heard about possible cuts in food stamps, and he wasn't impressed with
that
> news. Needless to say that food stamps wasn't actually the reason why we
> met, it happened to come up in conversation. The true agenda was to
ensure
> that there's money for speech evaluations, there's currently only money
for
> 2 hour evaluations, and for communication device evaluations you need 5
> hours to get a good assessment, and many speech-language pathologists are
> turned off. I think we insured that money, but they might call me in to
> meet with Clinton (something I'm looking forward to possibly doing).
> Needless to say the Prentke Romich Company doesn't want me to meet with
> Bush, having access to a communication device with a unlimited vocabulary,
> that would be dangerous :)
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Magenta Raine
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:34 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> Anthony, I think it's really terrific that you work for the prentich
ronake
> company. I missed your message somehow about how the war in iraq is
> affecting speech technology. I want to know about this, could you please
> resend your message either privately or on list?
>
> Thanks,
> Mag
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [log in to unmask]
> Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/18/2006 12:24:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> > Beth,
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I remember once we
were
> > in attendance at the Pittsburgh Employment Conference for augmentative
and
> > alternative communicators, where we met up with a gal from Orange County
> > California, and due to her severe spasticity, she was only able to
> activate
> > her communication device by use of a switch for single switch scanning
> that
> > was mounted by her knee, I remember how tiresome it was for her but she
> sure
> > enjoyed her system. My father was also in attendance, and he suggested
to
> > this gal and her attendant that they should probably look into the
> Baclofen
> > pump to get more out of not only her communication device but other
> > technology that she also had. We stayed in contact with this gal and
her
> > mother for a while, but I feel it got too overwhelming, and when the
> device
> > finally died they simply gave up which is too bad. Cases like this also
> > hurt images of AAC companies, but we can only do so much to insure
success
> > storys, and other people and elements have to come into play.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
> > Elizabeth Thiers
> > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:42 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> >
> > Improving muscle use definitely helps with communication device use.
> Also,
> > good seating, and appropriate placement of the device that utilizes the
> > persons natural movements.
> >
> > Beth t the OT
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
> > Anthony Arnold
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:29 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> > I may be way off base here, but over the years I have met some clientele
> who
> > have been so physically involved that either accessing a communication
> > device or just simply typing and operating a computer is a challenge and
> > very tiresome, would Baclofen help in this regard? If no one knows, I
can
> > always ask one of our speech-language pathologists at work to see if
they
> > have any research on this. One thing I have learned from the engineers
I
> > have access to, sure we can develop great technology, but other things
> like
> > PT & OT are needed to get better results instead of just having a good
> > device available.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:29:25 -0500
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From: Meir Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FW: [Meira Online] One Year Ago: Terri Schiavo
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________________________________
From: Meira Online [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 08:03
To: Meira Online
Subject: [Meira Online] One Year Ago: Terri Schiavo
B"H
Now on Meira Online weblog: One Year Ago: Remembering Terri Schindler
Schiavo
<http://meiraonline.blogspot.com/2006/03/one-year-ago-remembering-terri.html> .
The entry has been date modified and will remain on top of the Blog
until March 31, 2006.
www.meiraonline.com <http://www.meiraonline.com/>
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:30:12 -0500
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Subject: FW: Hannah II and Iurkovska to be Awarded Whang Youn Dai Overcome
Prize
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-----Original Message-----
From: Meir Weiss [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 07:54
To: Meir Weiss
Subject: FW: Hannah II and Iurkovska to be Awarded Whang Youn Dai Overcome Prize
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 06:40
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Hannah II and Iurkovska to be Awarded Whang Youn Dai Overcome Prize
Torino, Italy - One male and one female athlete who best exemplify the spirit of
the Paralympic Games will receive the Whang Youn Dai Overcome Prize at the
Closing Ceremony of the Torino 2006 Paralympic Winter Games.
The Prize recognizes elite athletes with a disability that have demonstrated an
exceptional level of determination to overcome their adversities through sport
and the Paralympic Games.
During the Torino 2006 Winter Paralympics nominations were received from
National Paralympic Committees (NPC). The athletes were nominated by the Chef de
Missions of the delegations competing at the Torino 2006 Paralympic Winter
Games. Out of all the nominees, six (three male and three female) went through
to the final round.
The names of the six finalists selected in the second round are as follows:
Male: Lonnie Hannah II from USA, Todd Nicholson from Canada and Armando Ruiz
from Mexico.
Female: Colette Bourgonje from Canada, Lacey Heward from USA and Olena Iurkovska
from Ukraine.
This morning, the judging committee, consisting of four members of the
International Paralympic Committee (IPC) Governing Board, decided the final
winners of the prize. After repeated draws between Lonnie Hannah II and Todd
Nicholson, Hannah II finally won after five rounds of voting.
The winners of the Whang Youn Dai Overcome Prize at the Torino 2006 Paralympic
Winter Games are:
Male: Lonnie Hannah II from the USA
Female: Olena Iurkovska from Ukraine
The Whang Youn Dai Overcome Prize is a pure gold medal weighing 75 grams. The
medals, featuring the Paralympic Symbol, will be awarded at the Closing Ceremony
of the Torino 2006 Paralympic Winter Games by Dr. Whang and IPC President Sir
Philip Craven.
For more information and a list of the previous winners, please visit the
website of the Whang Youn Dai Overcome Prize Committee at www.whangprize.org or
call Tony Flores (Whang Youn Dai Overcome Prize staff) at +39-333-1221-767.
__________
For further information, please contact: Miriam Wilkens, IPC Media and
Communication Director on +39-334-1193-044, e-mail: [log in to unmask] or
visit www.paralympic.org.
About the IPC: The International Paralympic Committee (IPC) is the international
governing body of sports for athletes with a disability. It supervises and
co-ordinates the Paralympic Summer and Winter Games and other multi-disability
competitions, of which the most important are World and Regional Championships.
The IPC also supports the recruitment and development of athletes at a local,
national and international level across all performance levels.
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:49:35 +0000
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Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CP Parent List
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On Saturday 18 Mar 2006 20:57, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> A little while back in the discussions here, the list for parents of
> children with cerebral palsy came up, and I'm just wondering if you know
> how somebody might subscribe to that? I might be interested in subscribing
> to get a feel for it, also being heavily involved with augmentative and
> alternative communication, I might be helpful to various parents.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
Hi Anthony,
Go to:-
<http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL1=CPPARENT&H=LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
and about 2/3rds down you will see instructions on how to join.
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:39:23 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
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Mag,
I'm glad to hear that you have experienced some of the similar difficulties
that PRC and Dynavox had 2 other users accompany me to Iowa to present to
Senator Harkin about. Before getting asked to do the presentation, I didn't
realize that's still happening because over the years Medicare and Medicaid
have began chipping in on the funding of communication devices, but one
needs a evaluation before that can happen, something that they're still
having troubles on. And yes going to meet with Senators especially to
present a common sense issue is like banging your head on a brick wall just
for the enjoyment. It's like having to tell them to put their underwear on
before pants.
Speaking of wheelchairs especially electric wheelchairs, last fall I
happened to need some work on mine, and the guy I go through has known me
since I was 2, so we're very close (like friends). When my father dropped
my wheelchair off for him to work on, he was getting a new electric
wheelchair ready for a child, and was saying to my dad "this is almost a
embarrassment for us tax payers, we can provide better and more dependable".
And that is why I'm personally against the war in Iraq, we're spending the
same money that we should be using to provide better wheelchairs with, it
isn't even justified. The Bush people had this war planned way before they
took office, and the events on September 11th just helped them sell it
easier. I especially love when Bush says that he doesn't even think about
Osama bin Laden anymore, because I would have personally wanted to catch him
before starting on anything else. But I'm in North Dakota, a very red
state, and it just amazes me at how many North Dakotans are supporting these
current actions by Bush, I would love to sit down for coffee with them and
try to understand where they're coming from.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Magenta Raine
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:46 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
Oh yes, I know about those evals,my dad would rather spend the money on a
laptop than pay for a private evaluation. i think it's too bad they charge
so much, and it's also too bad that medicaid only pays $300 for one.
What is also bad, is how medicare, medicaid will pay for an indoor
wheelchair, that's like giving an amputee legs but if they were to say if
you break your prosethic legs doing something outside, we will not pay to
repair them. *banging head on brick wall*
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[log in to unmask]
Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/18/2006 9:54:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> Mag,
>
> Thanks for the comment, I truly enjoy helping the Prentke Romich Company
> deliver and support communication device technology and other assistive
> technology to those who need it in order to live productive lives. The
> current war in Iraq isn't really keeping us away from doing PRC's mission,
> but however I think that the billions that we're spending on Iraq could go
> to better causes like purchasing wheelchairs, communication devices and
> whatever else somebody needs to live a happy and healthy life.
>
> In fact, I had a meeting with Senator Tom Harkin from Iowa shortly after
we
> heard about possible cuts in food stamps, and he wasn't impressed with
that
> news. Needless to say that food stamps wasn't actually the reason why we
> met, it happened to come up in conversation. The true agenda was to
ensure
> that there's money for speech evaluations, there's currently only money
for
> 2 hour evaluations, and for communication device evaluations you need 5
> hours to get a good assessment, and many speech-language pathologists are
> turned off. I think we insured that money, but they might call me in to
> meet with Clinton (something I'm looking forward to possibly doing).
> Needless to say the Prentke Romich Company doesn't want me to meet with
> Bush, having access to a communication device with a unlimited vocabulary,
> that would be dangerous :)
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Magenta Raine
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:34 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
>
> Anthony, I think it's really terrific that you work for the prentich
ronake
> company. I missed your message somehow about how the war in iraq is
> affecting speech technology. I want to know about this, could you please
> resend your message either privately or on list?
>
> Thanks,
> Mag
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [log in to unmask]
> Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> visit my Blog at; http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/18/2006 12:24:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> > Beth,
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I remember once we
were
> > in attendance at the Pittsburgh Employment Conference for augmentative
and
> > alternative communicators, where we met up with a gal from Orange County
> > California, and due to her severe spasticity, she was only able to
> activate
> > her communication device by use of a switch for single switch scanning
> that
> > was mounted by her knee, I remember how tiresome it was for her but she
> sure
> > enjoyed her system. My father was also in attendance, and he suggested
to
> > this gal and her attendant that they should probably look into the
> Baclofen
> > pump to get more out of not only her communication device but other
> > technology that she also had. We stayed in contact with this gal and
her
> > mother for a while, but I feel it got too overwhelming, and when the
> device
> > finally died they simply gave up which is too bad. Cases like this also
> > hurt images of AAC companies, but we can only do so much to insure
success
> > storys, and other people and elements have to come into play.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
> > Elizabeth Thiers
> > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:42 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Baclofen helping AAC use was FW: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> >
> > Improving muscle use definitely helps with communication device use.
> Also,
> > good seating, and appropriate placement of the device that utilizes the
> > persons natural movements.
> >
> > Beth t the OT
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
> > Anthony Arnold
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:29 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
> >
> > I may be way off base here, but over the years I have met some clientele
> who
> > have been so physically involved that either accessing a communication
> > device or just simply typing and operating a computer is a challenge and
> > very tiresome, would Baclofen help in this regard? If no one knows, I
can
> > always ask one of our speech-language pathologists at work to see if
they
> > have any research on this. One thing I have learned from the engineers
I
> > have access to, sure we can develop great technology, but other things
> like
> > PT & OT are needed to get better results instead of just having a good
> > device available.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:36:03 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CP Parent List
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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Thanks Deri for pointing me in the right direction, I just subscribed and
posted my first message on to CP Parents. A message came back saying it was
submitted to Randy Ryan, do all messages have to be approved by him, or am I
misunderstanding?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Deri James
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:50 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CP Parent List
On Saturday 18 Mar 2006 20:57, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> A little while back in the discussions here, the list for parents of
> children with cerebral palsy came up, and I'm just wondering if you know
> how somebody might subscribe to that? I might be interested in
subscribing
> to get a feel for it, also being heavily involved with augmentative and
> alternative communication, I might be helpful to various parents.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
Hi Anthony,
Go to:-
<http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL1=CPPARENT&H=LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
and about 2/3rds down you will see instructions on how to join.
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:03:34 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CP Parent List
In-Reply-To: <001001c64bad$e409a2e0$0d64dc18@Anthony>
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I'm guessing that he's moderating new posts to make sure they're not
spammers. Some list owners have had problems with spammers signing
on lists and posting spam after they were approved. My guess is,
he's got the list set to pre-approve all posts, or at least the first
ones from new subscribers.
Kat
On 19 Mar 2006, at 18:36, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Thanks Deri for pointing me in the right direction, I just
> subscribed and
> posted my first message on to CP Parents. A message came back
> saying it was
> submitted to Randy Ryan, do all messages have to be approved by
> him, or am I
> misunderstanding?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of
> Deri James
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:50 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CP Parent List
>
> On Saturday 18 Mar 2006 20:57, Anthony Arnold wrote:
>> Friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> A little while back in the discussions here, the list for parents of
>> children with cerebral palsy came up, and I'm just wondering if
>> you know
>> how somebody might subscribe to that? I might be interested in
> subscribing
>> to get a feel for it, also being heavily involved with
>> augmentative and
>> alternative communication, I might be helpful to various parents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
>> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> Go to:-
>
> <http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL1=CPPARENT&H=LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>
> and about 2/3rds down you will see instructions on how to join.
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:31:17 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CP Parent List
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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I do understand this, unfortunately it's the sign of the times, you don't
know who's trying to subscribe. Another thing that surprised me is on his
website, he lists how many recent virus attacks they have recently
accoutered, which is nice to know that people are concerned because many
people still don't know how to erase viruses (including myself).
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kathleen Salkin
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:04 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CP Parent List
I'm guessing that he's moderating new posts to make sure they're not
spammers. Some list owners have had problems with spammers signing
on lists and posting spam after they were approved. My guess is,
he's got the list set to pre-approve all posts, or at least the first
ones from new subscribers.
Kat
On 19 Mar 2006, at 18:36, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Thanks Deri for pointing me in the right direction, I just
> subscribed and
> posted my first message on to CP Parents. A message came back
> saying it was
> submitted to Randy Ryan, do all messages have to be approved by
> him, or am I
> misunderstanding?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of
> Deri James
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:50 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CP Parent List
>
> On Saturday 18 Mar 2006 20:57, Anthony Arnold wrote:
>> Friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> A little while back in the discussions here, the list for parents of
>> children with cerebral palsy came up, and I'm just wondering if
>> you know
>> how somebody might subscribe to that? I might be interested in
> subscribing
>> to get a feel for it, also being heavily involved with
>> augmentative and
>> alternative communication, I might be helpful to various parents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
>> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> Go to:-
>
> <http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL1=CPPARENT&H=LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>
> and about 2/3rds down you will see instructions on how to join.
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:47:22 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: The incident with Case
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Hi Linda,
I don't think you were wrong to be offended, but things like that are going to happen.
If I weren't so tired, I would launch into a too long explanation of why I too would be offended, but there's no point. For some reason, I'm always told not to be offened, yet
the same people who tell me that get offended over comments about their weight, height ect. I think very differently about this issue than most people do.
I think it's ok to feel offended - or whatever you may feel, but consider the source and keep it in perspective. You're right to let Case decide for himself.
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Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:11:50 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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a few weeks ago i went into a fast foof place and was
standing at the counter and a "lady?" in back putting
together orders and with a headset for drive through
said "what yougoing to have shaky?" i looked at her a
second or two and she said "what you want, i'll get it
for you." i was so taken back by this that i just gave
her my order. judy was incensed when i told her about
this.
--- [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Hi Linda,
> I don't think you were wrong to be offended, but
> things like that are going to happen.
> If I weren't so tired, I would launch into a too
> long explanation of why I too would be offended, but
> there's no point. For some reason, I'm always told
> not to be offened, yet
> the same people who tell me that get offended over
> comments about their weight, height ect. I think
> very differently about this issue than most people
> do.
> I think it's ok to feel offended - or whatever you
> may feel, but consider the source and keep it in
> perspective. You're right to let Case decide for
> himself.
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:39:37 -0500
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From: Meir Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: TO ALL THOSE " DOWN UNDER"
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Cyclone leaves thousands homeless in Australia
A cyclone that ripped across parts of the northeast Australian state of
Queensland on Sunday has left thousands homeless, local government officials
said Monday. F U L L S T O R Y
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/03/20/aus-cyclone-devastation.html
WE ARE THINKING ABOUT YOU
CONTACT ASAP
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:26:53 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TO ALL THOSE " DOWN UNDER"
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MSNBC story says:
The casualty toll was so low because people left town or went to =20
shelters after authorities posted warnings. Residents and officials =20
were mindful of the damage Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans and =20
Mississippi last August, said Ben Creagh, a spokesman for Queensland =20
state Department of Emergency Services.
....
=93Everyone here studied Katrina and took a lot of messages away, a lot =20=
of lessons at the expense of the poor old Yanks,=94 Creagh said. =93There =
=20
was absolutely no complacency at the planning level at all, and I =20
think that shows. ... Good planning, a bit of luck =97 we=92ve dodged a =20=
bullet.=94
(The link to the story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11915471/)
I am relieved to hear no one was killed and am glad to hear they =20
benefited from "the poor old Yanks'" mistakes with Hurricanes Katrina =20=
and Rita, but am saddened to hear of so much property damage. I =20
hope you, dear Rayna, are OK.
Kat
On 20 Mar 2006, at 12:39, Meir Weiss wrote:
> Cyclone leaves thousands homeless in Australia
> A cyclone that ripped across parts of the northeast Australian =20
> state of
> Queensland on Sunday has left thousands homeless, local government =20
> officials
> said Monday. F U L L S T O R Y
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/03/20/aus-cyclone-=20
> devastation.html
>
> WE ARE THINKING ABOUT YOU
>
> CONTACT ASAP
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:29:17 -0400
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Carla MacInnis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Carla's Still Cookin'
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Hi Guys,
I don't post much. Been doing a bit of this and a bit of that.
After an extensive search, I found a replacement for my
breadmaker/oven/toaster/broiler. I got it ages ago and then got a 2nd one in
case they ever went off market. My original Philips appliance got nailed in
a power surge back in February 2005; I lost a bunch of stuff. I brought the
2nd one I bought at a hardware store into service to replace it as to repair
it would have cost more than the machine was worth.
Recently, for the heck of it, I did a google search for the all-in-one
machine. Lo and behold, I found one - by Toastmaster. The company/store is
in the US. Here it is.
http://www.smarthotbuys.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ProductInfo+404082453385
This is a great appliance and is ideal if your counter space is limited.
It makes great bread. As for baking, it will hold either a pie pan, loaf pan
or cake pan. I often use the included broiler pan to bake squash. I use it
at least twice a day and make bread in it at least twice a week. It also
makes great pizza dough. I have a yummy recipe that I make in it all the
time.
So if you're in the market for something to do more than just one thing
the all-in-one would be just the ticket. Check it out!
Cheers!
Carla
http://home.netscape.ca/~terrier
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:18:39 +0000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TO ALL THOSE " DOWN UNDER"
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On Monday 20 Mar 2006 19:26, Kathleen Salkin wrote:
[snip]
> I am relieved to hear no one was killed and am glad to hear they
> benefited from "the poor old Yanks'" mistakes with Hurricanes Katrina
> and Rita, but am saddened to hear of so much property damage. I
> hope you, dear Rayna, are OK.
>
> Kat
>
I think Rayna's over in Perth, the weather looks really nice on that side:-
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0092>
although she might be short on bananas and sugar (the typhoon has flattened
most of this years harvest).
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:34:11 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TO ALL THOSE " DOWN UNDER"
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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Thanks for relieving my mind, Deri. :) I couldn't remember if she
lived in Cairns or Perth.
Kat
On 20 Mar 2006, at 17:18, Deri James wrote:
> On Monday 20 Mar 2006 19:26, Kathleen Salkin wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> I am relieved to hear no one was killed and am glad to hear they
>> benefited from "the poor old Yanks'" mistakes with Hurricanes Katrina
>> and Rita, but am saddened to hear of so much property damage. I
>> hope you, dear Rayna, are OK.
>>
>> Kat
>>
>
> I think Rayna's over in Perth, the weather looks really nice on
> that side:-
>
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0092>
>
> although she might be short on bananas and sugar (the typhoon has
> flattened
> most of this years harvest).
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:02:59 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Carla's Still Cookin'
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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Carla,
Sounds like you're having fun with your new appliance, but I do have a
question, what if we're too lazy to buy and use it, but still want to taste
that yummy food you're describing, can we fly to your house?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Carla MacInnis
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Carla's Still Cookin'
Hi Guys,
I don't post much. Been doing a bit of this and a bit of that.
After an extensive search, I found a replacement for my
breadmaker/oven/toaster/broiler. I got it ages ago and then got a 2nd one in
case they ever went off market. My original Philips appliance got nailed in
a power surge back in February 2005; I lost a bunch of stuff. I brought the
2nd one I bought at a hardware store into service to replace it as to repair
it would have cost more than the machine was worth.
Recently, for the heck of it, I did a google search for the all-in-one
machine. Lo and behold, I found one - by Toastmaster. The company/store is
in the US. Here it is.
http://www.smarthotbuys.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ProductInfo+404082453385
This is a great appliance and is ideal if your counter space is limited.
It makes great bread. As for baking, it will hold either a pie pan, loaf pan
or cake pan. I often use the included broiler pan to bake squash. I use it
at least twice a day and make bread in it at least twice a week. It also
makes great pizza dough. I have a yummy recipe that I make in it all the
time.
So if you're in the market for something to do more than just one thing
the all-in-one would be just the ticket. Check it out!
Cheers!
Carla
http://home.netscape.ca/~terrier
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:05:51 -0400
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Carla MacInnis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Carla's Still Cookin'
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Anthony, I only just ordered the appliance and it will be put in my storage
cupboard. It'll be brought into service when my current machine dies of old
age, hopefully :)
You're welcome to visit, but you have to bring a soup bone for the old
terrier. He still has toofs at 14 1/2 :)
Nothing gets by that old boy :)
Cheers!
Carla
http://home.netscape.ca/~terrier
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:10:45 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Carla's Still Cookin'
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A soup bone is easy to bring, my mother sometimes has them. Where do you
live again?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Carla MacInnis
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 5:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Carla's Still Cookin'
Anthony, I only just ordered the appliance and it will be put in my storage
cupboard. It'll be brought into service when my current machine dies of old
age, hopefully :)
You're welcome to visit, but you have to bring a soup bone for the old
terrier. He still has toofs at 14 1/2 :)
Nothing gets by that old boy :)
Cheers!
Carla
http://home.netscape.ca/~terrier
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:16:42 -0500
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From: Meir Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Carla's Still Cookin'
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Very cool
Hi carla
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:54:58 +0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Rayna <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TO ALL THOSE " DOWN UNDER"
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Deri James wrote:
>I think Rayna's over in Perth, the weather looks really nice on that side:-
>
>
>
Yes, I am in Perth, so quite safe at the moment. We have been having
some nice weather, but summer came really late this year so it's been a
bit odd and sporadic. We had one of the coldest Xmas's in several
decades last year - and it was grey and raining on NYE - that is *not*
Perth at that time of the year.
>although she might be short on bananas and sugar (the typhoon has flattened
>most of this years harvest).
>
>
>
Bananas are getting too expensive for this little black duck anyway -
$3-4 a kilo for a couple of years now, and as for sugar... well, I'm
sweet enough without it! ;-)
Rayna
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 02:01:28 +0000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: TO ALL THOSE " DOWN UNDER"
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On Tuesday 21 Mar 2006 00:54, Rayna wrote:
> Deri James wrote:
> >I think Rayna's over in Perth, the weather looks really nice on that
> > side:-
>
> Yes, I am in Perth, so quite safe at the moment. We have been having
> some nice weather, but summer came really late this year so it's been a
> bit odd and sporadic. We had one of the coldest Xmas's in several
> decades last year - and it was grey and raining on NYE - that is *not*
> Perth at that time of the year.
>
> >although she might be short on bananas and sugar (the typhoon has
> > flattened most of this years harvest).
>
> Bananas are getting too expensive for this little black duck anyway -
> $3-4 a kilo for a couple of years now, and as for sugar... well, I'm
> sweet enough without it! ;-)
>
> Rayna
No doubt about that!
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:47:34 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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Sorry been off line a while. Bo tox is no longer working. He has had
serial casting before. All the orthopods say is bring him in when you
are ready for surgery.
At 04:05 AM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
>Have they ruled out Botox with serial casting and then intense therapy
>afterwards?
>
>Beth t the OT
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Linda Walker
>Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:01 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: label/hand surgery/pump
>
>Anthony,
>
>No I did not know that. it's something we are considering but the operations
>are heavy duty. The muscle lengthening involves a lot of cutting and I think
>later scar tissue can be a problem. Anyhow I am not the final decision
>maker, I am doing some of the research and so are they. I am glad my kids
>are grown and I don't have to make any more medical decisions for anyone.
>It's a huge responsibility and I wonder if Case should be given the
>different options and asked what he thinks even tho he is so young. It is
>his body.
>If they finally decide on the muscle lengthening I am pretty certain they
>will go to Gillette.
>You might be getting news about the polygamist encampment they found in the
>Black Hills then. I am very involved in that with my work.
>
>All the best,
>
>Linda
>
>dAt 08:45 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
> >Linda,
> >
> >I don't know if you know this or not, but I live in Grand Forks North
> >Dakota almost 6 hours away from Gillette, and several people especially
> >children under age 18 travel down there for medical care, and are
> >fairly satisfied with the services. I also know a speech-language
> >pathologist I often communicate with who works there as a AAC Specialist.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:57:36 -0800
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Thank you so much. Just got back on line. Will go there now.
At 03:16 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
>Lynette or Linda,
>
>=20
>
>Don't remember for sure which one of you was looking for the new address
>for CP Parent, but this is the address that I found when I was looking
>for something else:
>
>=20
>
>[log in to unmask]
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>Kendall=20
>
>=20
>
>An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
>=20
>
>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
>persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
>progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
>=20
>
>-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>=20
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:53:22 -0800
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Thanks. I try and keep my perspective and lash out a the big stuff.
At 05:47 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Linda,
>I don't think you were wrong to be offended, but things like that
>are going to happen.
>If I weren't so tired, I would launch into a too long explanation of
>why I too would be offended, but there's no point. For some reason,
>I'm always told not to be offened, yet
>the same people who tell me that get offended over comments about
>their weight, height ect. I think very differently about this issue
>than most people do.
>I think it's ok to feel offended - or whatever you may feel, but
>consider the source and keep it in perspective. You're right to let
>Case decide for himself.
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:01:39 -0800
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I wish we could think of good comebacks on the spur of the moment.
Humor helps but I am at a loss. Judy's response is similar to mine
but sometimes we suffer indignity graciously.
At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>a few weeks ago i went into a fast foof place and was
>standing at the counter and a "lady?" in back putting
>together orders and with a headset for drive through
>said "what yougoing to have shaky?" i looked at her a
>second or two and she said "what you want, i'll get it
>for you." i was so taken back by this that i just gave
>her my order. judy was incensed when i told her about
>this.
>
>--- [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > Hi Linda,
> > I don't think you were wrong to be offended, but
> > things like that are going to happen.
> > If I weren't so tired, I would launch into a too
> > long explanation of why I too would be offended, but
> > there's no point. For some reason, I'm always told
> > not to be offened, yet
> > the same people who tell me that get offended over
> > comments about their weight, height ect. I think
> > very differently about this issue than most people
> > do.
> > I think it's ok to feel offended - or whatever you
> > may feel, but consider the source and keep it in
> > perspective. You're right to let Case decide for
> > himself.
> >
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:37:43 -0800
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ken that hurts, it's sad. I would have said you know, you just lost a
customer! bye bye.
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> [Original Message]
> From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/20/2006 9:02:48 PM
> Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
>
> I wish we could think of good comebacks on the spur of the moment.
> Humor helps but I am at a loss. Judy's response is similar to mine
> but sometimes we suffer indignity graciously.
>
> At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> >a few weeks ago i went into a fast foof place and was
> >standing at the counter and a "lady?" in back putting
> >together orders and with a headset for drive through
> >said "what yougoing to have shaky?" i looked at her a
> >second or two and she said "what you want, i'll get it
> >for you." i was so taken back by this that i just gave
> >her my order. judy was incensed when i told her about
> >this.
> >
> >--- [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Linda,
> > > I don't think you were wrong to be offended, but
> > > things like that are going to happen.
> > > If I weren't so tired, I would launch into a too
> > > long explanation of why I too would be offended, but
> > > there's no point. For some reason, I'm always told
> > > not to be offened, yet
> > > the same people who tell me that get offended over
> > > comments about their weight, height ect. I think
> > > very differently about this issue than most people
> > > do.
> > > I think it's ok to feel offended - or whatever you
> > > may feel, but consider the source and keep it in
> > > perspective. You're right to let Case decide for
> > > himself.
> > >
> >
> >
> >__________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:33:16 -0500
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I would've said, "Who you callin' shaky?" and then left without
buying anything. I'd then have written the manager suggesting he
provide diversity or sensitivity training for his employees. It
certainly wouldn't hurt from a customer-service standpoint!
I had an unpleasant experience several years ago at a local "big box"
bookstore. An old friend and I were ending up a very pleasant
afternoon and I was up at the cash register to pay for some books I
was buying. I gave the clerk my credit card to swipe, and the young
man gave my friend the receipt to sign! My friend was incensed - he
gave the piece of paper and pen back to the clerk with a chilly "I am
not the customer - she is!" and left the clerk red-faced and
stammering an apology. I signed the receipt in a hurry, only wanting
to get out of there but I recall I wasn't my usual cheerful self,
either. I have never gone back to that store again, and I wrote a
letter to the manager explaining why they lost a customer.
Kat
On 21 Mar 2006, at 02:37, Magenta Raine wrote:
> ken that hurts, it's sad. I would have said you know, you just lost a
> customer! bye bye.
>
>> At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
>>> a few weeks ago i went into a fast foof place and was
>>> standing at the counter and a "lady?" in back putting
>>> together orders and with a headset for drive through
>>> said "what yougoing to have shaky?" i looked at her a
>>> second or two and she said "what you want, i'll get it
>>> for you." i was so taken back by this that i just gave
>>> her my order. judy was incensed when i told her about
>>> this.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:34:36 -0500
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The comeback goes like this:
>
> I wish we could think of good comebacks on the spur of the moment.
> Humor helps but I am at a loss. Judy's response is similar to mine but
> sometimes we suffer indignity graciously.
>
> At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> >a few weeks ago i went into a fast food place and was standing at the
> >counter and a "lady?" in back putting together orders and with a
> >headset for drive through said "what yougoing to have shaky?"
what I'm going to have is your JOB!!!!!!!!!
WHERE IS your supervisior?
Boycott the restauraunt
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:15:50 -0800
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Absolutely!!!
At 03:34 AM 3/21/2006, you wrote:
>The comeback goes like this:
>
> >
> > I wish we could think of good comebacks on the spur of the moment.
> > Humor helps but I am at a loss. Judy's response is similar to mine but
> > sometimes we suffer indignity graciously.
> >
> > At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> > >a few weeks ago i went into a fast food place and was standing at the
> > >counter and a "lady?" in back putting together orders and with a
> > >headset for drive through said "what yougoing to have shaky?"
>
>what I'm going to have is your JOB!!!!!!!!!
>
>WHERE IS your supervisior?
>
>Boycott the restauraunt
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:06:23 -0700
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My initial response would be, as I was walking away, "A Whopper", if it
were McDonald's or "A Big Mac" if it were Burger King, or whatever the
main competitor's signature menu item was. That is absolutely
inexcusable! Almost as bad as saying to an African American, "What you
gonna have, N______?"
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:16 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
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Absolutely!!!
At 03:34 AM 3/21/2006, you wrote:
>The comeback goes like this:
>
> >
> > I wish we could think of good comebacks on the spur of the moment.
> > Humor helps but I am at a loss. Judy's response is similar to mine
but
> > sometimes we suffer indignity graciously.
> >
> > At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> > >a few weeks ago i went into a fast food place and was standing at
the
> > >counter and a "lady?" in back putting together orders and with a
> > >headset for drive through said "what yougoing to have shaky?"
>
>what I'm going to have is your JOB!!!!!!!!!
>
>WHERE IS your supervisior?
>
>Boycott the restauraunt
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:53:11 -0800
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absolutely right, Kendall. Gee whiz!
A week ago I tuned into the comedy channel, and there was Carlos Mencia,
and he did jokes about everybody, had several about disabled folks. I was
laughing so hard... I really liked the message behind his jokes... one
involved a theme park where he had stood in line to go on a ride for hours,
and when his turn came to get in, they wheeled a man with cp up... Carlos
started talking to the man like, sir, do you want equality? and other well
thought out questions, in the end they rode that ride and every ride
together 4 times. I got to hand it to Carlos, it reminded me of the time my
dad his wife and I were going back to Chicago, and dad kept thinking I
should go in line first (our flight got bumped) and I kept telling him, dad
I'm ok, I'm in a chair, so you shouldn't ask for special favors, on the
other hand my dad has a bad back and HE needed to not be standing in line.
But as I was saying, Carlos was very respectful, and the man really
appreciated him because he said, you know, most people do not see me, they
see the chair... But he said the other people were looking at him, thinking
he was mean...
Hi Carla! I just got a microwave/convection oven. got any advice?
Mag
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/21/2006 11:31:26 AM
> Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
>
> My initial response would be, as I was walking away, "A Whopper", if it
> were McDonald's or "A Big Mac" if it were Burger King, or whatever the
> main competitor's signature menu item was. That is absolutely
> inexcusable! Almost as bad as saying to an African American, "What you
> gonna have, N______?"
>
> Kendall=20
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:16 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
>
> Absolutely!!!
>
> At 03:34 AM 3/21/2006, you wrote:
> >The comeback goes like this:
> >
> > >
> > > I wish we could think of good comebacks on the spur of the moment.
> > > Humor helps but I am at a loss. Judy's response is similar to mine
> but
> > > sometimes we suffer indignity graciously.
> > >
> > > At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> > > >a few weeks ago i went into a fast food place and was standing at
> the
> > > >counter and a "lady?" in back putting together orders and with a
> > > >headset for drive through said "what yougoing to have shaky?"
> >
> >what I'm going to have is your JOB!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >WHERE IS your supervisior?
> >
> >Boycott the restauraunt
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:53:43 -0800
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well, i have not been back to that place even though i
like their product.
--- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I would've said, "Who you callin' shaky?" and then
> left without
> buying anything. I'd then have written the manager
> suggesting he
> provide diversity or sensitivity training for his
> employees. It
> certainly wouldn't hurt from a customer-service
> standpoint!
>
> I had an unpleasant experience several years ago at
> a local "big box"
> bookstore. An old friend and I were ending up a
> very pleasant
> afternoon and I was up at the cash register to pay
> for some books I
> was buying. I gave the clerk my credit card to
> swipe, and the young
> man gave my friend the receipt to sign! My friend
> was incensed - he
> gave the piece of paper and pen back to the clerk
> with a chilly "I am
> not the customer - she is!" and left the clerk
> red-faced and
> stammering an apology. I signed the receipt in a
> hurry, only wanting
> to get out of there but I recall I wasn't my usual
> cheerful self,
> either. I have never gone back to that store again,
> and I wrote a
> letter to the manager explaining why they lost a
> customer.
>
> Kat
>
> On 21 Mar 2006, at 02:37, Magenta Raine wrote:
>
> > ken that hurts, it's sad. I would have said you
> know, you just lost a
> > customer! bye bye.
> >
> >> At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> >>> a few weeks ago i went into a fast foof place
> and was
> >>> standing at the counter and a "lady?" in back
> putting
> >>> together orders and with a headset for drive
> through
> >>> said "what yougoing to have shaky?" i looked at
> her a
> >>> second or two and she said "what you want, i'll
> get it
> >>> for you." i was so taken back by this that i
> just gave
> >>> her my order. judy was incensed when i told her
> about
> >>> this.
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:04:31 -0700
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>My friend was incensed - he gave the piece of paper and pen back to
the >clerk with a chilly "I am not the customer - she is!" and left the
clerk
> red-faced and stammering an apology.
It can be fun though! When Janet and I go out, waitresses and cashiers
often don't know which one of us to talk to! We wen't out to dinner
once with a friend, and the hostess at the restaurant looked over our
heads and asked our friend whether we wanted smoking or non-smoking
seating. Sandy, bless her heart, said, "I'm here as their guest; ask
them!"
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
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well, i have not been back to that place even though i
like their product.=20
--- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I would've said, "Who you callin' shaky?" and then
> left without =20
> buying anything. I'd then have written the manager
> suggesting he =20
> provide diversity or sensitivity training for his
> employees. It =20
> certainly wouldn't hurt from a customer-service
> standpoint!
>=20
> I had an unpleasant experience several years ago at
> a local "big box" =20
> bookstore. An old friend and I were ending up a
> very pleasant =20
> afternoon and I was up at the cash register to pay
> for some books I =20
> was buying. I gave the clerk my credit card to
> swipe, and the young =20
> man gave my friend the receipt to sign! My friend
> was incensed - he =20
> gave the piece of paper and pen back to the clerk
> with a chilly "I am =20
> not the customer - she is!" and left the clerk
> red-faced and =20
> stammering an apology. I signed the receipt in a
> hurry, only wanting =20
> to get out of there but I recall I wasn't my usual
> cheerful self, =20
> either. I have never gone back to that store again,
> and I wrote a =20
> letter to the manager explaining why they lost a
> customer.
>=20
> Kat
>=20
> On 21 Mar 2006, at 02:37, Magenta Raine wrote:
>=20
> > ken that hurts, it's sad. I would have said you
> know, you just lost a
> > customer! bye bye.
> >
> >> At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> >>> a few weeks ago i went into a fast foof place
> and was
> >>> standing at the counter and a "lady?" in back
> putting
> >>> together orders and with a headset for drive
> through
> >>> said "what yougoing to have shaky?" i looked at
> her a
> >>> second or two and she said "what you want, i'll
> get it
> >>> for you." i was so taken back by this that i
> just gave
> >>> her my order. judy was incensed when i told her
> about
> >>> this.
>=20
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:00:06 -0500
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How does the brain know what the right hand is doing?
EurekAlert! Wed, 22 Mar 2006 6:04 AM PST
A new experiment has shed more light on the multi-decade debate about how the
brain knows where limbs are without looking at them.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/bpl-hdt032206.php
Public release date: 22-Mar-2006
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How does the brain know what the right hand is doing?
A new experiment has shed more light on the multi-decade debate about how the
brain knows where limbs are without looking at them.
You don't have to watch your legs and feet when you walk. Your brain knows where
they are. For decades scientists have debated two options for how the brain
achieves this:
(1) the outflow hypothesis says that the brain monitors signals it sends to the
muscles telling them how strongly to contract, and uses this to predict where
the limb has moved to;
(2) the inflow hypothesis suggests that the brain relies on information from
sensors within tissues that say how far a limb has moved.
While there has been plenty of evidence that inflow plays a role, no one before
has been able to show definitively that outflow is also important.
Now research just published in The Journal of Physiology provides evidence that
outflow is involved. Working at the Prince of Wales Medical Research Institute
in Sydney, the Australian research team asked subjects to sit at a bench and
place their right hand through a screen so they couldn't see it. The hand was
clamped so that the researchers could move it, but the subjects could only push
against a fixed plate. The researchers then moved the hand and the subjects had
to say which way it was pointing. The researchers then asked the subjects to
push against the plate, and say where they thought the hand had moved to. The
researchers inflated a cuff around the arm, cutting off blood flow and
temporarily paralysing and anaesthetising the arm. They then repeated the tests.
Before the cuff was inflated, the subjects accurately indicated where their hand
was pointing, both when they were resting and when they were pushing against the
plate. After the arm was paralysed and anaesthetised, the subjects were unable
to detect when researchers moved their hand, but incorrectly thought that they
were still able to move it themselves when they tried to push against the plate.
'The fact that the person thought they had changed the position of their
paralysed hand, even though they hadn't, shows that the perception of limb
position is at least partly driven by outflow commands going to the muscles.
There were no incoming signals from receptors, so this cannot have been
responsible for the illusion,' says Dr Janet Taylor, one of the authors of the
paper.
The experiment provides a new and intriguing illusion that sheds light on how we
learn to move accurately, as well as indicating why some people who have had
limbs amputated still feel as if they can move their 'phantom' limb.
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:33:13 -0800
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very interesting.
--- Meir Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> How does the brain know what the right hand is
> doing?
> EurekAlert! Wed, 22 Mar 2006 6:04 AM PST
> A new experiment has shed more light on the
> multi-decade debate about how the
> brain knows where limbs are without looking at them.
>
>
>
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/bpl-hdt032206.php
>
> Public release date: 22-Mar-2006
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>
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>
> How does the brain know what the right hand is
> doing?
>
> A new experiment has shed more light on the
> multi-decade debate about how the
> brain knows where limbs are without looking at them.
>
> You don't have to watch your legs and feet when you
> walk. Your brain knows where
> they are. For decades scientists have debated two
> options for how the brain
> achieves this:
>
> (1) the outflow hypothesis says that the brain
> monitors signals it sends to the
> muscles telling them how strongly to contract, and
> uses this to predict where
> the limb has moved to;
> (2) the inflow hypothesis suggests that the brain
> relies on information from
> sensors within tissues that say how far a limb has
> moved.
>
> While there has been plenty of evidence that inflow
> plays a role, no one before
> has been able to show definitively that outflow is
> also important.
>
> Now research just published in The Journal of
> Physiology provides evidence that
> outflow is involved. Working at the Prince of Wales
> Medical Research Institute
> in Sydney, the Australian research team asked
> subjects to sit at a bench and
> place their right hand through a screen so they
> couldn't see it. The hand was
> clamped so that the researchers could move it, but
> the subjects could only push
> against a fixed plate. The researchers then moved
> the hand and the subjects had
> to say which way it was pointing. The researchers
> then asked the subjects to
> push against the plate, and say where they thought
> the hand had moved to. The
> researchers inflated a cuff around the arm, cutting
> off blood flow and
> temporarily paralysing and anaesthetising the arm.
> They then repeated the tests.
>
> Before the cuff was inflated, the subjects
> accurately indicated where their hand
> was pointing, both when they were resting and when
> they were pushing against the
> plate. After the arm was paralysed and
> anaesthetised, the subjects were unable
> to detect when researchers moved their hand, but
> incorrectly thought that they
> were still able to move it themselves when they
> tried to push against the plate.
>
> 'The fact that the person thought they had changed
> the position of their
> paralysed hand, even though they hadn't, shows that
> the perception of limb
> position is at least partly driven by outflow
> commands going to the muscles.
> There were no incoming signals from receptors, so
> this cannot have been
> responsible for the illusion,' says Dr Janet Taylor,
> one of the authors of the
> paper.
>
> The experiment provides a new and intriguing
> illusion that sheds light on how we
> learn to move accurately, as well as indicating why
> some people who have had
> limbs amputated still feel as if they can move their
> 'phantom' limb.
>
>
> ###
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:51:29 -0600
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Friends,
I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning my friend
with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't help her
with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same attendant
as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the husband is
getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very intelligent
guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common sense,,
but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally had this
attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which might lead
to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the attendant
talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially when my
friend is right there.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:11:27 -0800
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i am not a lawyer, but common sense says the husband
is trying to keep something hidden.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks
> ago concerning my friend
> with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally
> abusive and doesn't help her
> with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also
> have the same attendant
> as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at
> this couple's house
> before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to
> leave or the husband is
> getting a restraining order against her. I know
> that I'm a very intelligent
> guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel
> it's basic common sense,,
> but does he have any grounds to do this action? I
> have personally had this
> attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any
> problems which might lead
> to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from
> school, the attendant
> talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that
> especially when my
> friend is right there.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:05:58 -0500
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From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
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Anthony,
I know it's frustrating to stand by and watch your friend go through
this -- does she have any family who could act on her behalf if she
can't speak up for herself?
Kat
On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:51, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning
> my friend
> with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't
> help her
> with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same
> attendant
> as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
> before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the
> husband is
> getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very
> intelligent
> guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common
> sense,,
> but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally
> had this
> attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which
> might lead
> to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the
> attendant
> talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially
> when my
> friend is right there.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:34:16 -0600
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My friend's parents currently spend their winters in Arizona, and come back
here April - September (I think). Both of her sisters live here in town
with their families, and I know that one is a nurse at the hospital. She
also has a brother who lives in a nearby town. They know about the
situation but I think they're not sure of what to do.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
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Kathleen Salkin
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
Anthony,
I know it's frustrating to stand by and watch your friend go through
this -- does she have any family who could act on her behalf if she
can't speak up for herself?
Kat
On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:51, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning
> my friend
> with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't
> help her
> with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same
> attendant
> as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
> before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the
> husband is
> getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very
> intelligent
> guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common
> sense,,
> but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally
> had this
> attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which
> might lead
> to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the
> attendant
> talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially
> when my
> friend is right there.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:37:40 +0800
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Get in touch with her local advocacy group - esp if there is one for
women with disabilities. Also, contact (several if possible - more
chance of getting one that has dealt with pwd's) the local domestic
violence service. Her husband is clearly trying to isolate her from
support and help - a classic abusive tactic, dangerous for anyone, extra
dangerous for someone with a disability. It may sound harsh, but her
family *needs* to find out what to do, they've got no excuse not to,
this woman is clearly at risk and needs help to get away from her husband.
Rayna
Anthony Arnold wrote:
>My friend's parents currently spend their winters in Arizona, and come back
>here April - September (I think). Both of her sisters live here in town
>with their families, and I know that one is a nurse at the hospital. She
>also has a brother who lives in a nearby town. They know about the
>situation but I think they're not sure of what to do.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:42:47 -0600
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Actually don't know what the guy could be hiding because you would think
that the little girl would be telling things at school.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
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From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
i am not a lawyer, but common sense says the husband
is trying to keep something hidden.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks
> ago concerning my friend
> with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally
> abusive and doesn't help her
> with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also
> have the same attendant
> as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at
> this couple's house
> before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to
> leave or the husband is
> getting a restraining order against her. I know
> that I'm a very intelligent
> guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel
> it's basic common sense,,
> but does he have any grounds to do this action? I
> have personally had this
> attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any
> problems which might lead
> to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from
> school, the attendant
> talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that
> especially when my
> friend is right there.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:45:55 -0500
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From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
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Well, unless your friend is legally of diminished mental capacity or
is ruled incapable of managing her own affairs by the courts, she has
every right to manage her own money, her own assets, and her own life.
But this is the crucial question here - has she indicated in any way
that she wants to leave the situation or feels she is being abused?
You can talk until you're blue in the face but the abuse victim has
to make the decision to leave, not her family or friends.
Just my personal observation after years of talking to friends in
similar situations.
Kat
On 22 Mar 2006, at 23:34, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> My friend's parents currently spend their winters in Arizona, and
> come back
> here April - September (I think). Both of her sisters live here in
> town
> with their families, and I know that one is a nurse at the
> hospital. She
> also has a brother who lives in a nearby town. They know about the
> situation but I think they're not sure of what to do.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of
> Kathleen Salkin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
> Anthony,
>
> I know it's frustrating to stand by and watch your friend go through
> this -- does she have any family who could act on her behalf if she
> can't speak up for herself?
>
> Kat
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:51, Anthony Arnold wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning
>> my friend
>> with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't
>> help her
>> with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same
>> attendant
>> as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's
>> house
>> before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the
>> husband is
>> getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very
>> intelligent
>> guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common
>> sense,,
>> but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally
>> had this
>> attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which
>> might lead
>> to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the
>> attendant
>> talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially
>> when my
>> friend is right there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Anthony
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:47:04 -0500
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She could be too afraid to talk. Kids keep secrets better than you'd
think especially if they've been threatened.
Kat
On 22 Mar 2006, at 23:42, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Actually don't know what the guy could be hiding because you would
> think
> that the little girl would be telling things at school.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:11 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
> i am not a lawyer, but common sense says the husband
> is trying to keep something hidden.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks
>> ago concerning my friend
>> with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally
>> abusive and doesn't help her
>> with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also
>> have the same attendant
>> as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at
>> this couple's house
>> before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to
>> leave or the husband is
>> getting a restraining order against her. I know
>> that I'm a very intelligent
>> guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel
>> it's basic common sense,,
>> but does he have any grounds to do this action? I
>> have personally had this
>> attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any
>> problems which might lead
>> to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from
>> school, the attendant
>> talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that
>> especially when my
>> friend is right there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
>> www.anthonyarnold.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:43:25 +0800
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At the very least I imagine he would be trying to keep the verbal abuse
hidden. The little girl wouldn't necessarily tell anyone - if she's
grown up in this environment she will likely not know that this isn't
acceptable behaviour, plus people don't always listen (or believe) if
kids (or adults) disclose abuse, especially if disability is involved.
There is a lot of denial that goes on.
Rayna
Anthony Arnold wrote:
>Actually don't know what the guy could be hiding because you would think
>that the little girl would be telling things at school.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>ken barber
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:11 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>i am not a lawyer, but common sense says the husband
>is trying to keep something hidden.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:30:01 -0600
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I'm not a parent myself, and neither do I have any nieces and nephews yet,
so my experiences with young kids are limited, but I would think if I was
communicating in a certain way, the child would likely pick up anything, and
is likely to use the same vocabulary in other environments. This is just a
wild guess.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
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Rayna
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:43 PM
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At the very least I imagine he would be trying to keep the verbal abuse
hidden. The little girl wouldn't necessarily tell anyone - if she's
grown up in this environment she will likely not know that this isn't
acceptable behaviour, plus people don't always listen (or believe) if
kids (or adults) disclose abuse, especially if disability is involved.
There is a lot of denial that goes on.
Rayna
Anthony Arnold wrote:
>Actually don't know what the guy could be hiding because you would think
>that the little girl would be telling things at school.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>ken barber
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:11 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>i am not a lawyer, but common sense says the husband
>is trying to keep something hidden.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:42:18 +0800
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The effects of verbal abuse can often manifest as shyness, low self
esteem, hyper-politeness etc as well as behaviour at the other end of
the spectrum. As just one example - I *was* a child who was subjected
to ongoing verbal abuse, it wasn't picked up by outsiders (or if it was,
no one did anything), because my survival technique was to become
preternaturally good and well behaved. Also, as I said, there is a
great deal of denial when it comes to abuse and DV, even if people can
tell that something is going on there is still stigma about getting
involved, lack of appropriate support for the victims, amongst other
reasons that little is done. Also, as Kat said - if the woman herself
doesn't/can't acknowledge that she is being abused it is hard to do
anything.
Rayna
Anthony Arnold wrote:
>I'm not a parent myself, and neither do I have any nieces and nephews yet,
>so my experiences with young kids are limited, but I would think if I was
>communicating in a certain way, the child would likely pick up anything, and
>is likely to use the same vocabulary in other environments. This is just a
>wild guess.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Rayna
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:43 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>At the very least I imagine he would be trying to keep the verbal abuse
>hidden. The little girl wouldn't necessarily tell anyone - if she's
>grown up in this environment she will likely not know that this isn't
>acceptable behaviour, plus people don't always listen (or believe) if
>kids (or adults) disclose abuse, especially if disability is involved.
>There is a lot of denial that goes on.
>
>Rayna
>
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:06:16 -0800
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unfortunatly if your friend will not tell someone,
then she and the child will continue to be subjected
to the abuse. unless an outsider notices and does
something on behalf of the child,
--- Rayna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The effects of verbal abuse can often manifest as
> shyness, low self
> esteem, hyper-politeness etc as well as behaviour at
> the other end of
> the spectrum. As just one example - I *was* a child
> who was subjected
> to ongoing verbal abuse, it wasn't picked up by
> outsiders (or if it was,
> no one did anything), because my survival technique
> was to become
> preternaturally good and well behaved. Also, as I
> said, there is a
> great deal of denial when it comes to abuse and DV,
> even if people can
> tell that something is going on there is still
> stigma about getting
> involved, lack of appropriate support for the
> victims, amongst other
> reasons that little is done. Also, as Kat said - if
> the woman herself
> doesn't/can't acknowledge that she is being abused
> it is hard to do
> anything.
>
> Rayna
>
> Anthony Arnold wrote:
>
> >I'm not a parent myself, and neither do I have any
> nieces and nephews yet,
> >so my experiences with young kids are limited, but
> I would think if I was
> >communicating in a certain way, the child would
> likely pick up anything, and
> >is likely to use the same vocabulary in other
> environments. This is just a
> >wild guess.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >Rayna
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:43 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: I need some more advice
> >
> >At the very least I imagine he would be trying to
> keep the verbal abuse
> >hidden. The little girl wouldn't necessarily tell
> anyone - if she's
> >grown up in this environment she will likely not
> know that this isn't
> >acceptable behaviour, plus people don't always
> listen (or believe) if
> >kids (or adults) disclose abuse, especially if
> disability is involved.
> >There is a lot of denial that goes on.
> >
> >Rayna
> >
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:25:39 -0800
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Rayna is absolutely right, Anthony. abusers often try to isolate their
victims so nobody finds out. Just make sure YOU stay clear of this man, as
violent abusers will turn it on when feeling threatened.
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> [Original Message]
> From: Rayna <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/22/2006 8:50:33 PM
> Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
> Get in touch with her local advocacy group - esp if there is one for
> women with disabilities. Also, contact (several if possible - more
> chance of getting one that has dealt with pwd's) the local domestic
> violence service. Her husband is clearly trying to isolate her from
> support and help - a classic abusive tactic, dangerous for anyone, extra
> dangerous for someone with a disability. It may sound harsh, but her
> family *needs* to find out what to do, they've got no excuse not to,
> this woman is clearly at risk and needs help to get away from her husband.
>
> Rayna
>
>
> Anthony Arnold wrote:
>
> >My friend's parents currently spend their winters in Arizona, and come
back
> >here April - September (I think). Both of her sisters live here in town
> >with their families, and I know that one is a nurse at the hospital. She
> >also has a brother who lives in a nearby town. They know about the
> >situation but I think they're not sure of what to do.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:28:26 -0800
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victims are often shamed into silence so unless asked by a skilled
professional, that child is going to suffer until she's old enough to leave
home, or get help at her breaking point.
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/22/2006 8:50:23 PM
> Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
> She could be too afraid to talk. Kids keep secrets better than you'd
> think especially if they've been threatened.
>
> Kat
>
> On 22 Mar 2006, at 23:42, Anthony Arnold wrote:
>
> > Actually don't know what the guy could be hiding because you would
> > think
> > that the little girl would be telling things at school.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:11 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: I need some more advice
> >
> > i am not a lawyer, but common sense says the husband
> > is trying to keep something hidden.
> >
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Friends,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks
> >> ago concerning my friend
> >> with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally
> >> abusive and doesn't help her
> >> with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also
> >> have the same attendant
> >> as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at
> >> this couple's house
> >> before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to
> >> leave or the husband is
> >> getting a restraining order against her. I know
> >> that I'm a very intelligent
> >> guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel
> >> it's basic common sense,,
> >> but does he have any grounds to do this action? I
> >> have personally had this
> >> attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any
> >> problems which might lead
> >> to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from
> >> school, the attendant
> >> talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that
> >> especially when my
> >> friend is right there.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Anthony
> >>
> >> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> >> www.anthonyarnold.net
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:32:06 -0500
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Does your attendant work for a company or on her own? If she works for a
company, she needs to report him to her boss. Or she needs to inform the
case manager of whoever is paying her. Her family needs to go visit her
often, to check on how she is doing. Your friend needs to understand that
her daughter isn't going to be taken away from her unless she stays in an
abusive relationship. Give her that out, and then also support.
The attendant also needs to talk to your friend and let her know what is
going on.
Very sad situation.
Beth t. the OT
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From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:51 PM
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Subject: I need some more advice
Friends,
I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning my friend
with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't help her
with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same attendant
as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the husband is
getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very intelligent
guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common sense,,
but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally had this
attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which might lead
to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the attendant
talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially when my
friend is right there.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:47:26 -0500
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True, but if the wife doesn't complain, or seek help, the husband can do it.
I think.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
i am not a lawyer, but common sense says the husband
is trying to keep something hidden.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks
> ago concerning my friend
> with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally
> abusive and doesn't help her
> with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also
> have the same attendant
> as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at
> this couple's house
> before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to
> leave or the husband is
> getting a restraining order against her.
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:41:16 -0800
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Domestic abusers always try to isolate the victim. In many states the
victim does not have to testify in order to get the abuser locked up.
Can the attendant report to the police or can a doctor intervene.
Unfortunately with the backsliding on womens issues the Supreme Court
is going to decide whether or not 911 tapes can be used in these
cases when victims are afraid to testify. These tapes are
successfully used to put these guys in the slam or at the least to
get them anger management classes.
If your aide has seen any domestic violence or been told about it
possibly he/she can report it to the authorities. These laws vary
state by state. I am not an attorney and cannot give legal advice but
it seems to me dismissing the aide is a violation of civil rights and
possibly the disability act. There are attorney groups on the net who
answer questions for free. Maybe send this to one of those. Don't
know. This is tough.
At 04:51 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:
>Friends,
>
>
>
>I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning my friend
>with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't help her
>with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same attendant
>as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
>before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the husband is
>getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very intelligent
>guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common sense,,
>but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally had this
>attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which might lead
>to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the attendant
>talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially when my
>friend is right there.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Anthony
>
>Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:46:46 -0800
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This is good news. These types of abusers often back down when
confronted. Possibly the family could confront him in an
intervention. The sisters the husbands and the parents. Let him know
they are watching and demand he attend anger management. The reason
they pick on the infirm and children is because they are cowards and
insecure. If such an intervention took place and the situation got
worse the family would need a contingency plan to remove the husband
from the home or be prepared to take care of your friend. The family
could also make a police report and ask for a home check. There may
be a time when your friend is more at risk than other times. Often
this is when the abuser is drinking. Can your friend easily access
outside help in an emergency?
At 08:34 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:
>My friend's parents currently spend their winters in Arizona, and come back
>here April - September (I think). Both of her sisters live here in town
>with their families, and I know that one is a nurse at the hospital. She
>also has a brother who lives in a nearby town. They know about the
>situation but I think they're not sure of what to do.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Kathleen Salkin
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:06 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>Anthony,
>
>I know it's frustrating to stand by and watch your friend go through
>this -- does she have any family who could act on her behalf if she
>can't speak up for herself?
>
>Kat
>
>On 22 Mar 2006, at 19:51, Anthony Arnold wrote:
>
> > Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning
> > my friend
> > with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't
> > help her
> > with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same
> > attendant
> > as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
> > before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the
> > husband is
> > getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very
> > intelligent
> > guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common
> > sense,,
> > but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally
> > had this
> > attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which
> > might lead
> > to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the
> > attendant
> > talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially
> > when my
> > friend is right there.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Anthony
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:59:51 -0800
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I think the husband would have a hard time getting an order under the
circumstances that have been described and I think it would raise
some questions. l don't know how outspoken the attendant is but there
is a possibility that if the attendant simply says this is my job and
I don't appreciate your threatening it so go ahead and try to get a
restraining order because I would welcome a chance to speak to a
judge about the violence in this home, he might back off. However
again a contingency would have to be in place in case he attacked
your friend even more.
At 06:47 AM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
>True, but if the wife doesn't complain, or seek help, the husband can do it.
>I think.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>ken barber
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:11 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>i am not a lawyer, but common sense says the husband
>is trying to keep something hidden.
>
>--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks
> > ago concerning my friend
> > with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally
> > abusive and doesn't help her
> > with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also
> > have the same attendant
> > as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at
> > this couple's house
> > before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to
> > leave or the husband is
> > getting a restraining order against her.
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:50:06 -0800
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DEAR SIR,
MY NAME IS STEVE FILLINICH AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET OFF YOUR WEB-SITE HOW DO I DO THAT???
PLEASE CONTACT ME
THANK YOU,
STEVE FILLINICH
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:26:43 -0600
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I know I am late in responding to this but you will have to forgive me.
Grad school is a bit busy and I just sat down and read a whole bunch of
emails from the list. I think I wouldn't have had the self control to
not say anything to this person. I tend to come out swinging when stuff
like that happens. But then again I learned from the best. When she was
in fourth grade, my older sister had a picture of me for a class project
and some boy made a comment about "the cripple" she slapped him and
called him an ass hole (a huge offence in my strict family let me tell
you!) when the teacher called to tell my parents about it I was sure
Bethany would be grounded for life. She wasn't my parents talked to each
of us saying she was right to defend me but went about it the wrong way.
I was 7 and my parents made it clear that Nobody had the right to insult
me. They went over better ways to deal with the situation and taught all
of us to stand up for ourselves in both their words and actions... it is
the best lesson I could have ever learned. Even if I do get a little
loud sometimes I hope I can teach one person that people with
disabilities deserve respect just like any other minority group. Oh...
and my sister was then and will always be my hero!=20
Christine
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From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:05 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Fwd: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
>My friend was incensed - he gave the piece of paper and pen back to
the >clerk with a chilly "I am not the customer - she is!" and left the
clerk
> red-faced and stammering an apology.
It can be fun though! When Janet and I go out, waitresses and cashiers
often don't know which one of us to talk to! We wen't out to dinner
once with a friend, and the hostess at the restaurant looked over our
heads and asked our friend whether we wanted smoking or non-smoking
seating. Sandy, bless her heart, said, "I'm here as their guest; ask
them!"
Kendall=3D20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Fwd: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
well, i have not been back to that place even though i
like their product.=3D20
--- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I would've said, "Who you callin' shaky?" and then
> left without =3D20
> buying anything. I'd then have written the manager
> suggesting he =3D20
> provide diversity or sensitivity training for his
> employees. It =3D20
> certainly wouldn't hurt from a customer-service
> standpoint!
>=3D20
> I had an unpleasant experience several years ago at
> a local "big box" =3D20
> bookstore. An old friend and I were ending up a
> very pleasant =3D20
> afternoon and I was up at the cash register to pay
> for some books I =3D20
> was buying. I gave the clerk my credit card to
> swipe, and the young =3D20
> man gave my friend the receipt to sign! My friend
> was incensed - he =3D20
> gave the piece of paper and pen back to the clerk
> with a chilly "I am =3D20
> not the customer - she is!" and left the clerk
> red-faced and =3D20
> stammering an apology. I signed the receipt in a
> hurry, only wanting =3D20
> to get out of there but I recall I wasn't my usual
> cheerful self, =3D20
> either. I have never gone back to that store again,
> and I wrote a =3D20
> letter to the manager explaining why they lost a
> customer.
>=3D20
> Kat
>=3D20
> On 21 Mar 2006, at 02:37, Magenta Raine wrote:
>=3D20
> > ken that hurts, it's sad. I would have said you
> know, you just lost a
> > customer! bye bye.
> >
> >> At 08:11 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote:
> >>> a few weeks ago i went into a fast foof place
> and was
> >>> standing at the counter and a "lady?" in back
> putting
> >>> together orders and with a headset for drive
> through
> >>> said "what yougoing to have shaky?" i looked at
> her a
> >>> second or two and she said "what you want, i'll
> get it
> >>> for you." i was so taken back by this that i
> just gave
> >>> her my order. judy was incensed when i told her
> about
> >>> this.
>=3D20
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:21:29 -0600
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Unfortunately in this case, our attendant is self-employed, but my friend
receives the money to pay her through a agency, and the attendant doesn't
know whether or not she should go back to this agency and report this. But
being that we're in North Dakota and a small enough town, she knows several
social workers and law enforcement. The positive thing was that this
morning the gal finally agreed to call the priest, I don't know him
personally, but I have a lot of respect for him, he should be able to advise
her.
I'm sure this is something everybody on the list relates to, I know I do
personally, but due to her cerebral palsy and the physical challenges she
has to face, she feels if they have to divorce, she might not find a mate
again, making putting up with the bad treatment worthwhile. If the priest
does nothing else, I would hope he can tell her this isn't worth it.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth Thiers
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:32 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
Does your attendant work for a company or on her own? If she works for a
company, she needs to report him to her boss. Or she needs to inform the
case manager of whoever is paying her. Her family needs to go visit her
often, to check on how she is doing. Your friend needs to understand that
her daughter isn't going to be taken away from her unless she stays in an
abusive relationship. Give her that out, and then also support.
The attendant also needs to talk to your friend and let her know what is
going on.
Very sad situation.
Beth t. the OT
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:51 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: I need some more advice
Friends,
I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning my friend
with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't help her
with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same attendant
as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the husband is
getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very intelligent
guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common sense,,
but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally had this
attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which might lead
to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the attendant
talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially when my
friend is right there.
Thanks,
Anthony
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:39:01 -0600
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I forgot to mention, that our attendant told me, if the husband has the gal
fire her and she has proof of his involvement in the decision, she'll be
going to social services. She couldn't just walk away without doing
something.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:21 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
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Unfortunately in this case, our attendant is self-employed, but my friend
receives the money to pay her through a agency, and the attendant doesn't
know whether or not she should go back to this agency and report this. But
being that we're in North Dakota and a small enough town, she knows several
social workers and law enforcement. The positive thing was that this
morning the gal finally agreed to call the priest, I don't know him
personally, but I have a lot of respect for him, he should be able to advise
her.
I'm sure this is something everybody on the list relates to, I know I do
personally, but due to her cerebral palsy and the physical challenges she
has to face, she feels if they have to divorce, she might not find a mate
again, making putting up with the bad treatment worthwhile. If the priest
does nothing else, I would hope he can tell her this isn't worth it.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth Thiers
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:32 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
Does your attendant work for a company or on her own? If she works for a
company, she needs to report him to her boss. Or she needs to inform the
case manager of whoever is paying her. Her family needs to go visit her
often, to check on how she is doing. Your friend needs to understand that
her daughter isn't going to be taken away from her unless she stays in an
abusive relationship. Give her that out, and then also support.
The attendant also needs to talk to your friend and let her know what is
going on.
Very sad situation.
Beth t. the OT
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:51 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: I need some more advice
Friends,
I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning my friend
with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't help her
with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same attendant
as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the husband is
getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very intelligent
guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common sense,,
but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally had this
attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which might lead
to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the attendant
talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially when my
friend is right there.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:10:05 -0600
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Friends,
For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this question, but I have a gag
reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me under for any dental
work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for adults with cerebral
palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to the licensing for dentists,
there are very few of them willing to travel to the OR to conduct work? Has
anyone experienced this also?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:24:35 -0800
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she needs to just make a report and get some action started. IMO
At 11:39 AM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
>I forgot to mention, that our attendant told me, if the husband has the gal
>fire her and she has proof of his involvement in the decision, she'll be
>going to social services. She couldn't just walk away without doing
>something.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Anthony Arnold
>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:21 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>Unfortunately in this case, our attendant is self-employed, but my friend
>receives the money to pay her through a agency, and the attendant doesn't
>know whether or not she should go back to this agency and report this. But
>being that we're in North Dakota and a small enough town, she knows several
>social workers and law enforcement. The positive thing was that this
>morning the gal finally agreed to call the priest, I don't know him
>personally, but I have a lot of respect for him, he should be able to advise
>her.
>
>I'm sure this is something everybody on the list relates to, I know I do
>personally, but due to her cerebral palsy and the physical challenges she
>has to face, she feels if they have to divorce, she might not find a mate
>again, making putting up with the bad treatment worthwhile. If the priest
>does nothing else, I would hope he can tell her this isn't worth it.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Elizabeth Thiers
>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:32 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>Does your attendant work for a company or on her own? If she works for a
>company, she needs to report him to her boss. Or she needs to inform the
>case manager of whoever is paying her. Her family needs to go visit her
>often, to check on how she is doing. Your friend needs to understand that
>her daughter isn't going to be taken away from her unless she stays in an
>abusive relationship. Give her that out, and then also support.
>The attendant also needs to talk to your friend and let her know what is
>going on.
>Very sad situation.
>
>Beth t. the OT
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Anthony Arnold
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:51 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: I need some more advice
>
>Friends,
>
>
>
>I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning my friend
>with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't help her
>with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same attendant
>as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
>before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the husband is
>getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very intelligent
>guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common sense,,
>but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally had this
>attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which might lead
>to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the attendant
>talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially when my
>friend is right there.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Anthony
>
>Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:39:57 -0700
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Anthony,
The hyperactive gag reflex is something I've had my entire life, but I
always thought it was related to my hydrocephalus; several people I know
with hydro have hyperactive gag reflexes because of the way the pressure
influences the way their brain is situated in their skulls. =20
The problem of dentists with full hospital privileges is fairly common.
You may want to look for an oral surgeon who'd be willing to do general
dentistry in your case. Oral surgeons generally have the necessary
hospital credentials for that. That may make it easier to get insurance
to cover the treatment, too.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: dental question
Friends,=20
=20
For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this question, but I have a gag
reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me under for any dental
work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for adults with cerebral
palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to the licensing for
dentists,
there are very few of them willing to travel to the OR to conduct work?
Has
anyone experienced this also? =20
=20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
www.anthonyarnold.net
=20
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:43:51 -0700
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Linda,=20
I couldn't agree more! Even if the attendant isn't fired, the abuse
will continue, and if the attendant only files a complaint if she gets
fired, it might look like she's just lashing out because she's lost a
portion of her income.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:25 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
she needs to just make a report and get some action started. IMO
At 11:39 AM 3/23/2006, you wrote:
>I forgot to mention, that our attendant told me, if the husband has the
gal
>fire her and she has proof of his involvement in the decision, she'll
be
>going to social services. She couldn't just walk away without doing
>something.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
>Anthony Arnold
>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:21 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>Unfortunately in this case, our attendant is self-employed, but my
friend
>receives the money to pay her through a agency, and the attendant
doesn't
>know whether or not she should go back to this agency and report this.
But
>being that we're in North Dakota and a small enough town, she knows
several
>social workers and law enforcement. The positive thing was that this
>morning the gal finally agreed to call the priest, I don't know him
>personally, but I have a lot of respect for him, he should be able to
advise
>her.
>
>I'm sure this is something everybody on the list relates to, I know I
do
>personally, but due to her cerebral palsy and the physical challenges
she
>has to face, she feels if they have to divorce, she might not find a
mate
>again, making putting up with the bad treatment worthwhile. If the
priest
>does nothing else, I would hope he can tell her this isn't worth it.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
>Elizabeth Thiers
>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:32 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I need some more advice
>
>Does your attendant work for a company or on her own? If she works for
a
>company, she needs to report him to her boss. Or she needs to inform
the
>case manager of whoever is paying her. Her family needs to go visit
her
>often, to check on how she is doing. Your friend needs to understand
that
>her daughter isn't going to be taken away from her unless she stays in
an
>abusive relationship. Give her that out, and then also support.
>The attendant also needs to talk to your friend and let her know what
is
>going on.
>Very sad situation.
>
>Beth t. the OT
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
>Anthony Arnold
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:51 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: I need some more advice
>
>Friends,
>
>
>
>I'm sure you remember my posting a couple of weeks ago concerning my
friend
>with cerebral palsy whose husband is verbally abusive and doesn't help
her
>with anything. I'm not sure if you know that I also have the same
attendant
>as this gal, and this morning the attendant was at this couple's house
>before coming to mine, and the attendant was told to leave or the
husband is
>getting a restraining order against her. I know that I'm a very
intelligent
>guy, who shouldn't be asking this because I feel it's basic common
sense,,
>but does he have any grounds to do this action? I have personally had
this
>attendant for almost 5 years, and haven't had any problems which might
lead
>to this action. Sure when the daughter is home from school, the
attendant
>talks to her, but I don't see any problems with that especially when my
>friend is right there.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Anthony
>
>Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:17:03 +0000
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On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 05:42, Rayna wrote:
> to become
> preternaturally good and well behaved.
Hope you're making up for it now. :-)
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:23:28 -0600
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Kendall,
I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who experiences this kind of
difficulty, and thanks for providing a explanation, I believe I haven't ever
received a explanation on why I might have a gag reflex. From a business
stand point, I realize having hospital privileges carries liability issues
which aren't cheap, but that's no excuse when somebody's health is the
concern. They can't even do x-rays on me without putting me to sleep, but
they can clean my teeth with me awake, which is even sometimes difficult. I
don't know what you have tried yourself, but have you had any luck with
taking pills to relax you during work?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:40 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
Anthony,
The hyperactive gag reflex is something I've had my entire life, but I
always thought it was related to my hydrocephalus; several people I know
with hydro have hyperactive gag reflexes because of the way the pressure
influences the way their brain is situated in their skulls. =20
The problem of dentists with full hospital privileges is fairly common.
You may want to look for an oral surgeon who'd be willing to do general
dentistry in your case. Oral surgeons generally have the necessary
hospital credentials for that. That may make it easier to get insurance
to cover the treatment, too.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: dental question
Friends,=20
=20
For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this question, but I have a gag
reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me under for any dental
work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for adults with cerebral
palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to the licensing for
dentists,
there are very few of them willing to travel to the OR to conduct work?
Has
anyone experienced this also? =20
=20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
www.anthonyarnold.net
=20
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:33:11 +0000
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On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this question, but I have a gag
> reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me under for any dental
> work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for adults with cerebral
> palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to the licensing for dentists,
> there are very few of them willing to travel to the OR to conduct work?
> Has anyone experienced this also?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
Hi Anthony,
I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental work, but I found a dentist
brave enough to give it a go without, she can tell when I'm going to gag and
pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase out the brain while in the
chair, its a really weird feeling.
Before I found this dentist I used to get referred to Dental teaching
hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit too keen to do just a bit more
work while you're out cold!!
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:19:35 -0700
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Anthony,
=20
Luckily, I can do dental work with sedation, and don't need to be "out
cold," so I take a sedative, which I think most dentists can prescribe
(or at least mine can), and am good to go. I do need someone to drive
me to the appointment and home afterwards, because that's not safe.
=20
Another idea might be to check into pediatric dentists, because they
might have more experience with people who need to be anesthetized. I
don't know what Fargo has for pediatric dental work though. Let me
check with some folks I know at the UCEDD in Minot to see if they've got
any leads on what you need in the Fargo area.=20
=20
=20
Kendall Corbett
Coordinator of Consumer Activities=20
Wyoming INstitute for Disabilities - WIND
College of Health Sciences
University of Wyoming
1000 E. University Avenue, Dept. 4298
Laramie, WY 82070
(307) 766-2853
[log in to unmask]
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
=20
Kendall,=20
=20
I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who experiences this kind of
difficulty, and thanks for providing a explanation, I believe I haven't
ever
received a explanation on why I might have a gag reflex. From a
business
stand point, I realize having hospital privileges carries liability
issues
which aren't cheap, but that's no excuse when somebody's health is the
concern. They can't even do x-rays on me without putting me to sleep,
but
they can clean my teeth with me awake, which is even sometimes
difficult. I
don't know what you have tried yourself, but have you had any luck with
taking pills to relax you during work? =20
=20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:40 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
=20
Anthony,
=20
The hyperactive gag reflex is something I've had my entire life, but I
always thought it was related to my hydrocephalus; several people I know
with hydro have hyperactive gag reflexes because of the way the pressure
influences the way their brain is situated in their skulls. =3D20
=20
The problem of dentists with full hospital privileges is fairly common.
=20
You may want to look for an oral surgeon who'd be willing to do general
dentistry in your case. Oral surgeons generally have the necessary
hospital credentials for that. That may make it easier to get insurance
to cover the treatment, too.
=20
Kendall=3D20
=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
=20
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
=20
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=3D20
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: dental question
=20
Friends,=3D20
=20
=3D20
=20
For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this question, but I have a gag
reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me under for any dental
work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for adults with cerebral
palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to the licensing for
dentists,
there are very few of them willing to travel to the OR to conduct work?
Has
anyone experienced this also? =3D20
=20
=3D20
=20
Thanks,=3D20
=20
Anthony=3D20
=20
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
www.anthonyarnold.net
=20
=3D20
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:04:45 -0700
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Deri,
It just occurred to me; if your wife refers to you as an "unseasonable
man", are you "unseasonably cool", or "unseasonably hot"? Either one
could be a very good thing; depending on the slang your wife grew up
with!
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:09:57 +0800
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Deri James wrote:
>On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 05:42, Rayna wrote:
>
>
>>to become
>>preternaturally good and well behaved.
>>
>>
>
>Hope you're making up for it now. :-)
>
>
Oh, absolutely!!! ;-)
Rayna
(Professional Trouble-Maker and Sh*t-stirrer - "Have warped mind, will
travel...")
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:17:15 EST
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Now Kendall ...
Whichever it is, she also said they were abundant, so ....
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:35:11 -0600
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I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries his very best to clean my
teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he doesn't have OR privileges, it
isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost factors may apply. For a
couple of years, we had a arrangement with the residency program through the
Dental School at the University of Minnesota, but due to state budget cuts
they had to discontinue that division of the school, and I don't understand
why they couldn't just transfer the patients over to the regular dental
school. The state was saying they weren't making enough money to keep the
division operational, but yet the staff was saying it wasn't true.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Deri James
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this question, but I have a gag
> reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me under for any dental
> work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for adults with cerebral
> palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to the licensing for
dentists,
> there are very few of them willing to travel to the OR to conduct work?
> Has anyone experienced this also?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
Hi Anthony,
I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental work, but I found a dentist
brave enough to give it a go without, she can tell when I'm going to gag and
pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase out the brain while in the
chair, its a really weird feeling.
Before I found this dentist I used to get referred to Dental teaching
hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit too keen to do just a bit more
work while you're out cold!!
Cheers
Deri
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I certainly do, I can't do x rays or surgery without being out cold. I can
do the teeth cleaning if they are patient and let me calm myself. I have
resigned myself to going across the bay, to University of the pacific
dental school.
mag
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> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/23/2006 12:14:07 PM
> Subject: dental question
>
> Friends,
>
>
>
> For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this question, but I have a gag
> reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me under for any dental
> work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for adults with cerebral
> palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to the licensing for
dentists,
> there are very few of them willing to travel to the OR to conduct work?
Has
> anyone experienced this also?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:46:58 -0500
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Thanks, Kendall, for the idea... I too have a huge gag reflex.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:40 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
Anthony,
The hyperactive gag reflex is something I've had my entire life, but I
always thought it was related to my hydrocephalus; several people I know
with hydro have hyperactive gag reflexes because of the way the pressure
influences the way their brain is situated in their skulls. =20
The problem of dentists with full hospital privileges is fairly common.
You may want to look for an oral surgeon who'd be willing to do general
dentistry in your case. Oral surgeons generally have the necessary
hospital credentials for that. That may make it easier to get insurance
to cover the treatment, too.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:08:26 -0500
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Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken will be mad at me. I'm
sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is eating up the budget.)
Mike
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From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries his very best to clean my
teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he doesn't have OR privileges, it
isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost factors may apply. For a
couple of years, we had a arrangement with the residency program through the
Dental School at the University of Minnesota, but due to state budget cuts
they had to discontinue that division of the school, and I don't understand
why they couldn't just transfer the patients over to the regular dental
school. The state was saying they weren't making enough money to keep the
division operational, but yet the staff was saying it wasn't true.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Deri James
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this question, but I have a gag
> reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me under for any dental
> work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for adults with cerebral
> palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to the licensing for
dentists,
> there are very few of them willing to travel to the OR to conduct work?
> Has anyone experienced this also?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
Hi Anthony,
I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental work, but I found a dentist
brave enough to give it a go without, she can tell when I'm going to gag and
pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase out the brain while in the
chair, its a really weird feeling.
Before I found this dentist I used to get referred to Dental teaching
hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit too keen to do just a bit more
work while you're out cold!!
Cheers
Deri
=========================================================================
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:56:28 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps, caps)
on the budget. for sure the spending is outof sight.
and i am not mad at all.
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken will
> be mad at me. I'm
> sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> eating up the budget.)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Arnold
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries his
> very best to clean my
> teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he doesn't
> have OR privileges, it
> isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> factors may apply. For a
> couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> residency program through the
> Dental School at the University of Minnesota, but
> due to state budget cuts
> they had to discontinue that division of the school,
> and I don't understand
> why they couldn't just transfer the patients over to
> the regular dental
> school. The state was saying they weren't making
> enough money to keep the
> division operational, but yet the staff was saying
> it wasn't true.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Deri James
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> > Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> question, but I have a gag
> > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me
> under for any dental
> > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for
> adults with cerebral
> > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to
> the licensing for
> dentists,
> > there are very few of them willing to travel to
> the OR to conduct work?
> > Has anyone experienced this also?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> > Visit my website at
> <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> work, but I found a dentist
> brave enough to give it a go without, she can tell
> when I'm going to gag and
>
> pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase out
> the brain while in the
> chair, its a really weird feeling.
>
> Before I found this dentist I used to get referred
> to Dental teaching
> hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit too
> keen to do just a bit more
>
> work while you're out cold!!
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:00:20 -0800
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i like your signature
>
> Rayna
> (Professional Trouble-Maker and Sh*t-stirrer - "Have
> warped mind, will
> travel...")
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:19:42 -0800
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The president is creating a tremendous debt that all our kids will inherit.
I think it's quite clear that whoever is in office, left, right or center,
will spend money on whatever their cause is. we need to be spending money
for education, health care for elderly and PWD, rebuilding the towns that
got hit by katrina. I think it's safe to say that what is going on in Iraq,
needs to be done by the Iraqis, not by American troops.
Mag
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> [Original Message]
> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/23/2006 7:56:29 PM
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps, caps)
> on the budget. for sure the spending is outof sight.
> and i am not mad at all.
>
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken will
> > be mad at me. I'm
> > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > eating up the budget.)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Anthony Arnold
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries his
> > very best to clean my
> > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he doesn't
> > have OR privileges, it
> > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > factors may apply. For a
> > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > residency program through the
> > Dental School at the University of Minnesota, but
> > due to state budget cuts
> > they had to discontinue that division of the school,
> > and I don't understand
> > why they couldn't just transfer the patients over to
> > the regular dental
> > school. The state was saying they weren't making
> > enough money to keep the
> > division operational, but yet the staff was saying
> > it wasn't true.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Deri James
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> > > Friends,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > question, but I have a gag
> > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me
> > under for any dental
> > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for
> > adults with cerebral
> > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to
> > the licensing for
> > dentists,
> > > there are very few of them willing to travel to
> > the OR to conduct work?
> > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > > Visit my website at
> > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > Hi Anthony,
> >
> > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > work, but I found a dentist
> > brave enough to give it a go without, she can tell
> > when I'm going to gag and
> >
> > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase out
> > the brain while in the
> > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> >
> > Before I found this dentist I used to get referred
> > to Dental teaching
> > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit too
> > keen to do just a bit more
> >
> > work while you're out cold!!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Deri
> >
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:32:31 -0600
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Actually I'm not a expert in this area, but the dental program at the
University of Minnesota wasn't the only thing cut throughout the state.
According to my personal knowledge (and I could be wrong, but I'm pretty
sure I'm right), but they wouldn't have had to do any cutting if it wasn't
for Jessie Ventura giving out rebates year after year, and the state was
basically broke that required for some serious house cleaning. The clean-up
duty fell on Tim Pawlenty's shoulders, and believe me he was a unpopular man
for a couple of months until people began realizing that he only did what he
had to do, and Minnesota is almost back on track thanks to him.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps, caps)
on the budget. for sure the spending is outof sight.
and i am not mad at all.
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken will
> be mad at me. I'm
> sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> eating up the budget.)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Anthony Arnold
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries his
> very best to clean my
> teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he doesn't
> have OR privileges, it
> isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> factors may apply. For a
> couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> residency program through the
> Dental School at the University of Minnesota, but
> due to state budget cuts
> they had to discontinue that division of the school,
> and I don't understand
> why they couldn't just transfer the patients over to
> the regular dental
> school. The state was saying they weren't making
> enough money to keep the
> division operational, but yet the staff was saying
> it wasn't true.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Deri James
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> > Friends,
> >
> >
> >
> > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> question, but I have a gag
> > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put me
> under for any dental
> > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common for
> adults with cerebral
> > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to
> the licensing for
> dentists,
> > there are very few of them willing to travel to
> the OR to conduct work?
> > Has anyone experienced this also?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> > Visit my website at
> <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> work, but I found a dentist
> brave enough to give it a go without, she can tell
> when I'm going to gag and
>
> pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase out
> the brain while in the
> chair, its a really weird feeling.
>
> Before I found this dentist I used to get referred
> to Dental teaching
> hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit too
> keen to do just a bit more
>
> work while you're out cold!!
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:36:07 -0800
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From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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now don't confuse anyone with facts, everything that
goes bad is dubya's fault. if you have a bad dream
it's dubya's fault.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Actually I'm not a expert in this area, but the
> dental program at the
> University of Minnesota wasn't the only thing cut
> throughout the state.
> According to my personal knowledge (and I could be
> wrong, but I'm pretty
> sure I'm right), but they wouldn't have had to do
> any cutting if it wasn't
> for Jessie Ventura giving out rebates year after
> year, and the state was
> basically broke that required for some serious house
> cleaning. The clean-up
> duty fell on Tim Pawlenty's shoulders, and believe
> me he was a unpopular man
> for a couple of months until people began realizing
> that he only did what he
> had to do, and Minnesota is almost back on track
> thanks to him.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> caps)
> on the budget. for sure the spending is outof sight.
> and i am not mad at all.
>
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken
> will
> > be mad at me. I'm
> > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > eating up the budget.)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Anthony Arnold
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries
> his
> > very best to clean my
> > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> doesn't
> > have OR privileges, it
> > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > factors may apply. For a
> > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > residency program through the
> > Dental School at the University of Minnesota, but
> > due to state budget cuts
> > they had to discontinue that division of the
> school,
> > and I don't understand
> > why they couldn't just transfer the patients over
> to
> > the regular dental
> > school. The state was saying they weren't making
> > enough money to keep the
> > division operational, but yet the staff was saying
> > it wasn't true.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Deri James
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> wrote:
> > > Friends,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > question, but I have a gag
> > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put
> me
> > under for any dental
> > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common
> for
> > adults with cerebral
> > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to
> > the licensing for
> > dentists,
> > > there are very few of them willing to travel to
> > the OR to conduct work?
> > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > > Visit my website at
> > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > Hi Anthony,
> >
> > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > work, but I found a dentist
> > brave enough to give it a go without, she can tell
> > when I'm going to gag and
> >
> > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase
> out
> > the brain while in the
> > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> >
> > Before I found this dentist I used to get referred
> > to Dental teaching
> > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit too
> > keen to do just a bit more
> >
> > work while you're out cold!!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Deri
> >
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:45:06 -0600
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May I ask you who's dubya?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:36 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
now don't confuse anyone with facts, everything that
goes bad is dubya's fault. if you have a bad dream
it's dubya's fault.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Actually I'm not a expert in this area, but the
> dental program at the
> University of Minnesota wasn't the only thing cut
> throughout the state.
> According to my personal knowledge (and I could be
> wrong, but I'm pretty
> sure I'm right), but they wouldn't have had to do
> any cutting if it wasn't
> for Jessie Ventura giving out rebates year after
> year, and the state was
> basically broke that required for some serious house
> cleaning. The clean-up
> duty fell on Tim Pawlenty's shoulders, and believe
> me he was a unpopular man
> for a couple of months until people began realizing
> that he only did what he
> had to do, and Minnesota is almost back on track
> thanks to him.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> caps)
> on the budget. for sure the spending is outof sight.
> and i am not mad at all.
>
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken
> will
> > be mad at me. I'm
> > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > eating up the budget.)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Anthony Arnold
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries
> his
> > very best to clean my
> > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> doesn't
> > have OR privileges, it
> > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > factors may apply. For a
> > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > residency program through the
> > Dental School at the University of Minnesota, but
> > due to state budget cuts
> > they had to discontinue that division of the
> school,
> > and I don't understand
> > why they couldn't just transfer the patients over
> to
> > the regular dental
> > school. The state was saying they weren't making
> > enough money to keep the
> > division operational, but yet the staff was saying
> > it wasn't true.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Deri James
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> wrote:
> > > Friends,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > question, but I have a gag
> > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to put
> me
> > under for any dental
> > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common
> for
> > adults with cerebral
> > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due to
> > the licensing for
> > dentists,
> > > there are very few of them willing to travel to
> > the OR to conduct work?
> > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > > Visit my website at
> > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > Hi Anthony,
> >
> > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > work, but I found a dentist
> > brave enough to give it a go without, she can tell
> > when I'm going to gag and
> >
> > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase
> out
> > the brain while in the
> > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> >
> > Before I found this dentist I used to get referred
> > to Dental teaching
> > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit too
> > keen to do just a bit more
> >
> > work while you're out cold!!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Deri
> >
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:51:41 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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we are spending more money than ever before on
education and we are getting nothing for it. even
without the war, the deficiet would be going up.
i am afraid that most of the problems we have,
throwing money at it will not necessarily fix the
problems. we need to think carfully before spendimg.
how many mobile homes are sitting rotting in arkansas
instead of being moved on into the katrina area
becouse there is some reg about not putting them in a
flood area. those cruise ships etc. just not very well
thought out.
the war on drugs is a waste.
it isboth parties. whoever is in is spending too much.
right now its the gop, next it may be the dems, but,
nothing ever changes, the money keeps on going down
rat holes while legitimate needs don't get met.
bush is spending too much now, hillery will spend too
much when she gets there. its like why bother voting.
theres no difference.
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The president is creating a tremendous debt that all
> our kids will inherit.
> I think it's quite clear that whoever is in office,
> left, right or center,
> will spend money on whatever their cause is. we need
> to be spending money
> for education, health care for elderly and PWD,
> rebuilding the towns that
> got hit by katrina. I think it's safe to say that
> what is going on in Iraq,
> needs to be done by the Iraqis, not by American
> troops.
>
> Mag
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [log in to unmask]
> Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/23/2006 7:56:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> caps)
> > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> sight.
> > and i am not mad at all.
> >
> >
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken
> will
> > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > > eating up the budget.)
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Anthony Arnold
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries
> his
> > > very best to clean my
> > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> doesn't
> > > have OR privileges, it
> > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > > factors may apply. For a
> > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > residency program through the
> > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> but
> > > due to state budget cuts
> > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> school,
> > > and I don't understand
> > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> over to
> > > the regular dental
> > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> making
> > > enough money to keep the
> > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> saying
> > > it wasn't true.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Deri James
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> wrote:
> > > > Friends,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to
> put me
> > > under for any dental
> > > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common
> for
> > > adults with cerebral
> > > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due
> to
> > > the licensing for
> > > dentists,
> > > > there are very few of them willing to travel
> to
> > > the OR to conduct work?
> > > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony
> > > >
> > > > Visit my website at
> > > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > Hi Anthony,
> > >
> > > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > > work, but I found a dentist
> > > brave enough to give it a go without, she can
> tell
> > > when I'm going to gag and
> > >
> > > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase
> out
> > > the brain while in the
> > > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> > >
> > > Before I found this dentist I used to get
> referred
> > > to Dental teaching
> > > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit
> too
> > > keen to do just a bit more
> > >
> > > work while you're out cold!!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Deri
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:55:57 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: dental question
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george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
not know that too.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> May I ask you who's dubya?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:36 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> now don't confuse anyone with facts, everything that
> goes bad is dubya's fault. if you have a bad dream
> it's dubya's fault.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Actually I'm not a expert in this area, but the
> > dental program at the
> > University of Minnesota wasn't the only thing cut
> > throughout the state.
> > According to my personal knowledge (and I could be
> > wrong, but I'm pretty
> > sure I'm right), but they wouldn't have had to do
> > any cutting if it wasn't
> > for Jessie Ventura giving out rebates year after
> > year, and the state was
> > basically broke that required for some serious
> house
> > cleaning. The clean-up
> > duty fell on Tim Pawlenty's shoulders, and believe
> > me he was a unpopular man
> > for a couple of months until people began
> realizing
> > that he only did what he
> > had to do, and Minnesota is almost back on track
> > thanks to him.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:56 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> > caps)
> > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> sight.
> > and i am not mad at all.
> >
> >
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken
> > will
> > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > > eating up the budget.)
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Anthony Arnold
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries
> > his
> > > very best to clean my
> > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> > doesn't
> > > have OR privileges, it
> > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > > factors may apply. For a
> > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > residency program through the
> > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> but
> > > due to state budget cuts
> > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> > school,
> > > and I don't understand
> > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> over
> > to
> > > the regular dental
> > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> making
> > > enough money to keep the
> > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> saying
> > > it wasn't true.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Deri James
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> > wrote:
> > > > Friends,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to
> put
> > me
> > > under for any dental
> > > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common
> > for
> > > adults with cerebral
> > > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due
> to
> > > the licensing for
> > > dentists,
> > > > there are very few of them willing to travel
> to
> > > the OR to conduct work?
> > > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony
> > > >
> > > > Visit my website at
> > > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> > www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > Hi Anthony,
> > >
> > > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > > work, but I found a dentist
> > > brave enough to give it a go without, she can
> tell
> > > when I'm going to gag and
> > >
> > > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase
> > out
> > > the brain while in the
> > > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> > >
> > > Before I found this dentist I used to get
> referred
> > > to Dental teaching
> > > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit
> too
> > > keen to do just a bit more
> > >
> > > work while you're out cold!!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Deri
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> > protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:07:32 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
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Actually I feel we could talk about what should and shouldn't have happened
down in Louisiana and Mississippi until we're blue in the face, but unless
we actually see it and what needs to be done, we won't have a true
understanding. But I must say it's quite a embarrassment that my tax money
wasn't used to prevent.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
we are spending more money than ever before on
education and we are getting nothing for it. even
without the war, the deficiet would be going up.
i am afraid that most of the problems we have,
throwing money at it will not necessarily fix the
problems. we need to think carfully before spendimg.
how many mobile homes are sitting rotting in arkansas
instead of being moved on into the katrina area
becouse there is some reg about not putting them in a
flood area. those cruise ships etc. just not very well
thought out.
the war on drugs is a waste.
it isboth parties. whoever is in is spending too much.
right now its the gop, next it may be the dems, but,
nothing ever changes, the money keeps on going down
rat holes while legitimate needs don't get met.
bush is spending too much now, hillery will spend too
much when she gets there. its like why bother voting.
theres no difference.
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The president is creating a tremendous debt that all
> our kids will inherit.
> I think it's quite clear that whoever is in office,
> left, right or center,
> will spend money on whatever their cause is. we need
> to be spending money
> for education, health care for elderly and PWD,
> rebuilding the towns that
> got hit by katrina. I think it's safe to say that
> what is going on in Iraq,
> needs to be done by the Iraqis, not by American
> troops.
>
> Mag
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [log in to unmask]
> Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/23/2006 7:56:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> caps)
> > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> sight.
> > and i am not mad at all.
> >
> >
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken
> will
> > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > > eating up the budget.)
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Anthony Arnold
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries
> his
> > > very best to clean my
> > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> doesn't
> > > have OR privileges, it
> > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > > factors may apply. For a
> > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > residency program through the
> > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> but
> > > due to state budget cuts
> > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> school,
> > > and I don't understand
> > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> over to
> > > the regular dental
> > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> making
> > > enough money to keep the
> > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> saying
> > > it wasn't true.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Deri James
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> wrote:
> > > > Friends,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to
> put me
> > > under for any dental
> > > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common
> for
> > > adults with cerebral
> > > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due
> to
> > > the licensing for
> > > dentists,
> > > > there are very few of them willing to travel
> to
> > > the OR to conduct work?
> > > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony
> > > >
> > > > Visit my website at
> > > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > Hi Anthony,
> > >
> > > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > > work, but I found a dentist
> > > brave enough to give it a go without, she can
> tell
> > > when I'm going to gag and
> > >
> > > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase
> out
> > > the brain while in the
> > > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> > >
> > > Before I found this dentist I used to get
> referred
> > > to Dental teaching
> > > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit
> too
> > > keen to do just a bit more
> > >
> > > work while you're out cold!!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Deri
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
>
__________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:40:31 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Pam Dahl <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: AT auction site
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This looks potentially good--thought I'd pass it along.
Pam
> Do you know about the exchange site: www.atmatch.com
> <http://www.atmatch.com> ? It is just started, but is the place to list
> assistive technology, based on the e-Bay model.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:48:52 +0000
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
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On Friday 24 Mar 2006 00:04, Kendall David Corbett wrote:
> Deri,
>
> It just occurred to me; if your wife refers to you as an "unseasonable
> man", are you "unseasonably cool", or "unseasonably hot"? Either one
> could be a very good thing; depending on the slang your wife grew up
> with!
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
I suspect its "unseasonable" as in not the weather you really want or
expect!!.
Cheers
Deri
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:27:19 -0500
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Yes, the attendant should go back to the agency and inform them of the
situation. I'm glad your friend is at least reaching out to someone. It
sounds like she needs to find something more meaningful in her life so that
she doesn't think she needs an abusive jerk to make her feel needed.
Beth T. the OT
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:21 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
Unfortunately in this case, our attendant is self-employed, but my friend
receives the money to pay her through a agency, and the attendant doesn't
know whether or not she should go back to this agency and report this. But
being that we're in North Dakota and a small enough town, she knows several
social workers and law enforcement. The positive thing was that this
morning the gal finally agreed to call the priest, I don't know him
personally, but I have a lot of respect for him, he should be able to advise
her.
I'm sure this is something everybody on the list relates to, I know I do
personally, but due to her cerebral palsy and the physical challenges she
has to face, she feels if they have to divorce, she might not find a mate
again, making putting up with the bad treatment worthwhile. If the priest
does nothing else, I would hope he can tell her this isn't worth it.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net -----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth Thiers
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:32 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I need some more advice
Does your attendant work for a company or on her own? If she works for a
company, she needs to report him to her boss. Or she needs to inform the
case manager of whoever is paying her. Her family needs to go visit her
often, to check on how she is doing. Your friend needs to understand that
her daughter isn't going to be taken away from her unless she stays in an
abusive relationship. Give her that out, and then also support.
The attendant also needs to talk to your friend and let her know what is
going on.
Very sad situation.
Beth t. the OT
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:18:26 -0500
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Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our favorite curmudgeon!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
not know that too.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> May I ask you who's dubya?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:14:07 -0600
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You mean you aren't for Bush, but you're for the war, I'm willing to listen.
I know several republicans who are like that, they don't understand why
people like myself can support the troops but frown on the war. I know this
is mean to say but I would love to see Bush ship children of war supporters
over to Iraq and come home either disabled or dead, and ask them "was it
worthwhile".
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
not know that too.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> May I ask you who's dubya?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:36 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> now don't confuse anyone with facts, everything that
> goes bad is dubya's fault. if you have a bad dream
> it's dubya's fault.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Actually I'm not a expert in this area, but the
> > dental program at the
> > University of Minnesota wasn't the only thing cut
> > throughout the state.
> > According to my personal knowledge (and I could be
> > wrong, but I'm pretty
> > sure I'm right), but they wouldn't have had to do
> > any cutting if it wasn't
> > for Jessie Ventura giving out rebates year after
> > year, and the state was
> > basically broke that required for some serious
> house
> > cleaning. The clean-up
> > duty fell on Tim Pawlenty's shoulders, and believe
> > me he was a unpopular man
> > for a couple of months until people began
> realizing
> > that he only did what he
> > had to do, and Minnesota is almost back on track
> > thanks to him.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:56 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> > caps)
> > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> sight.
> > and i am not mad at all.
> >
> >
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken
> > will
> > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > > eating up the budget.)
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Anthony Arnold
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries
> > his
> > > very best to clean my
> > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> > doesn't
> > > have OR privileges, it
> > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > > factors may apply. For a
> > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > residency program through the
> > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> but
> > > due to state budget cuts
> > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> > school,
> > > and I don't understand
> > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> over
> > to
> > > the regular dental
> > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> making
> > > enough money to keep the
> > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> saying
> > > it wasn't true.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Deri James
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> > wrote:
> > > > Friends,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to
> put
> > me
> > > under for any dental
> > > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common
> > for
> > > adults with cerebral
> > > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due
> to
> > > the licensing for
> > > dentists,
> > > > there are very few of them willing to travel
> to
> > > the OR to conduct work?
> > > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony
> > > >
> > > > Visit my website at
> > > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> > www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > Hi Anthony,
> > >
> > > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > > work, but I found a dentist
> > > brave enough to give it a go without, she can
> tell
> > > when I'm going to gag and
> > >
> > > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase
> > out
> > > the brain while in the
> > > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> > >
> > > Before I found this dentist I used to get
> referred
> > > to Dental teaching
> > > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit
> too
> > > keen to do just a bit more
> > >
> > > work while you're out cold!!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Deri
> > >
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:01:58 -0700
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Ken, Mike, et al,
But how much would the deficit have increased without the tax cuts under
Bush? And how many of us on the list have been able to directly benefit
from those cuts? The reason I say "directly benefit," is that I don't
want to start a thread on trickle down economics. Even Reagan and Bush
Senior (President Daddy) backed away from that. =20
Under Bill Clinton, we had budget surpluses, and now with Dubya, we have
the largest annual deficits ever, even with the massive cuts to social
programs. Granted, part of that is due to the hurricanes, and the war,
both of which, IMO, were, and continue to be, terribly mishandled. To
push to make the tax cuts permanent during a time of war is
irresponsible, and flies in the face of the "paygo" (pay as you go)
budgetary process. The earliest reference I can find to PAYGO is in an
article about the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which means
that it was most likely instituted under Bush Senior, if not before. =20
Yesterday I heard a statement by Secretary of State Rice about Iran,
which sounded eerily similar to the "saber rattling" that went on before
the start of military operations in Iraq. I agree that permitting Iran
to develop nuclear weapons capabilities is not a good idea, but the
thought of entering another military conflict when there are potential
diplomatic options still to be explored is frightening. This is all the
more disturbing when Iran is the piece of real estate that would link
Afghanistan and Iraq, where there is a current US combat presence.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
we are spending more money than ever before on
education and we are getting nothing for it. even
without the war, the deficiet would be going up.=20
i am afraid that most of the problems we have,
throwing money at it will not necessarily fix the
problems. we need to think carfully before spendimg.
how many mobile homes are sitting rotting in arkansas
instead of being moved on into the katrina area
becouse there is some reg about not putting them in a
flood area. those cruise ships etc. just not very well
thought out.=20
the war on drugs is a waste.=20
it isboth parties. whoever is in is spending too much.
right now its the gop, next it may be the dems, but,
nothing ever changes, the money keeps on going down
rat holes while legitimate needs don't get met.=20
bush is spending too much now, hillery will spend too
much when she gets there. its like why bother voting.
theres no difference.=20
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The president is creating a tremendous debt that all
> our kids will inherit.
> I think it's quite clear that whoever is in office,
> left, right or center,
> will spend money on whatever their cause is. we need
> to be spending money
> for education, health care for elderly and PWD,
> rebuilding the towns that
> got hit by katrina. I think it's safe to say that
> what is going on in Iraq,
> needs to be done by the Iraqis, not by American
> troops.=20
>=20
> Mag=20
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> > [Original Message]
> > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/23/2006 7:56:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> caps)
> > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> sight.
> > and i am not mad at all.=20
> >
> >
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken
> will
> > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > > eating up the budget.)
> > >=20
> > > Mike=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Anthony Arnold
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >=20
> > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries
> his
> > > very best to clean my
> > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> doesn't
> > > have OR privileges, it
> > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > > factors may apply. For a
> > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > residency program through the
> > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> but
> > > due to state budget cuts
> > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> school,
> > > and I don't understand
> > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> over to
> > > the regular dental
> > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> making
> > > enough money to keep the
> > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> saying
> > > it wasn't true. =20
> > >=20
> > > Thanks,=20
> > > Anthony=20
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Deri James
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >=20
> > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> wrote:
> > > > Friends,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to
> put me
> > > under for any dental
> > > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common
> for
> > > adults with cerebral
> > > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due
> to
> > > the licensing for
> > > dentists,
> > > > there are very few of them willing to travel
> to
> > > the OR to conduct work?=20
> > > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony
> > > >
> > > > Visit my website at=20
> > > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >=20
> > > Hi Anthony,
> > >=20
> > > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > > work, but I found a dentist=20
> > > brave enough to give it a go without, she can
> tell
> > > when I'm going to gag and
> > >=20
> > > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase
> out
> > > the brain while in the=20
> > > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> > >=20
> > > Before I found this dentist I used to get
> referred
> > > to Dental teaching=20
> > > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit
> too
> > > keen to do just a bit more
> > >=20
> > > work while you're out cold!!
> > >=20
> > > Cheers
> > >=20
> > > Deri
> > >=20
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:32:31 -0500
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From: Joy Welan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: C-PALSY Digest - 21 Mar 2006 to 22 Mar 2006 (#2006-57)
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Re: I need some more advice
Hi Anthony,
Where is your friend located? I'm just a law student, so I can't give lega=
l
advice, but I'd be happy to do some research into the law of restraining
orders in that state if you want.
~Joy~
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:34:37 -0800
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you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have a
point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> favorite curmudgeon!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
> not know that too.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > May I ask you who's dubya?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:52:00 -0600
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From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: C-PALSY Digest - 21 Mar 2006 to 22 Mar 2006 (#2006-57)
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We're located in Grand Forks North Dakota, and I personally know what
restraining orders are, but I don't have deep knowledge in them or the
process of attaining them. We would love to know if the husband would have
any grounds of attaining one against the attendant. According to me,
attendants are similar to my lawn people, and I feel I would only have the
right to terminate them, and I would probably look silly wheeling into the
courthouse to get a restraining order on the guy on the lawn mower.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Joy Welan
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: C-PALSY Digest - 21 Mar 2006 to 22 Mar 2006 (#2006-57)
Re: I need some more advice
Hi Anthony,
Where is your friend located? I'm just a law student, so I can't give lega=
l
advice, but I'd be happy to do some research into the law of restraining
orders in that state if you want.
~Joy~
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:29:09 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
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I know I should have paid more attention back in school when we were
covering this, but does the President of the United States have to win
approval from the UN before going into places like Iraq or Iran? Does he
only need congress's?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have a
point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> favorite curmudgeon!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
> not know that too.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > May I ask you who's dubya?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:52:14 -0800
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> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/24/2006 6:14:27 AM
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> You mean you aren't for Bush, but you're for the war, I'm willing to
listen.
> I know several republicans who are like that, they don't understand why
> people like myself can support the troops but frown on the war. I know
this
> is mean to say but I would love to see Bush ship children of war
supporters
> over to Iraq and come home either disabled or dead, and ask them "was it
> worthwhile".
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
> not know that too.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > May I ask you who's dubya?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:36 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > now don't confuse anyone with facts, everything that
> > goes bad is dubya's fault. if you have a bad dream
> > it's dubya's fault.
> >
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Actually I'm not a expert in this area, but the
> > > dental program at the
> > > University of Minnesota wasn't the only thing cut
> > > throughout the state.
> > > According to my personal knowledge (and I could be
> > > wrong, but I'm pretty
> > > sure I'm right), but they wouldn't have had to do
> > > any cutting if it wasn't
> > > for Jessie Ventura giving out rebates year after
> > > year, and the state was
> > > basically broke that required for some serious
> > house
> > > cleaning. The clean-up
> > > duty fell on Tim Pawlenty's shoulders, and believe
> > > me he was a unpopular man
> > > for a couple of months until people began
> > realizing
> > > that he only did what he
> > > had to do, and Minnesota is almost back on track
> > > thanks to him.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > ken barber
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:56 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> > > caps)
> > > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> > sight.
> > > and i am not mad at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know, Ken
> > > will
> > > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq is
> > > > eating up the budget.)
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > > Anthony Arnold
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who tries
> > > his
> > > > very best to clean my
> > > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> > > doesn't
> > > > have OR privileges, it
> > > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think cost
> > > > factors may apply. For a
> > > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > > residency program through the
> > > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> > but
> > > > due to state budget cuts
> > > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> > > school,
> > > > and I don't understand
> > > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> > over
> > > to
> > > > the regular dental
> > > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> > making
> > > > enough money to keep the
> > > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> > saying
> > > > it wasn't true.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > > Deri James
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out this
> > > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to
> > put
> > > me
> > > > under for any dental
> > > > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is common
> > > for
> > > > adults with cerebral
> > > > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due
> > to
> > > > the licensing for
> > > > dentists,
> > > > > there are very few of them willing to travel
> > to
> > > > the OR to conduct work?
> > > > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > >
> > > > > Visit my website at
> > > > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> > > www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > Hi Anthony,
> > > >
> > > > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for dental
> > > > work, but I found a dentist
> > > > brave enough to give it a go without, she can
> > tell
> > > > when I'm going to gag and
> > > >
> > > > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to phase
> > > out
> > > > the brain while in the
> > > > chair, its a really weird feeling.
> > > >
> > > > Before I found this dentist I used to get
> > referred
> > > > to Dental teaching
> > > > hospitals, but you tend to find they're a bit
> > too
> > > > keen to do just a bit more
> > > >
> > > > work while you're out cold!!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Deri
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:58:34 -0700
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Anthony,
President Bush tried to get UN approval for the war in Iraq, and was
turned down. He then formed a coalition of partner nations for the war,
which included the US, England, Australia, Canada, and a few others that
I can't recall right now.
This is a link to an article in the Washington Post from August of 2002
that talks about members of the present President Bush's administration
saying that the President didn't even need Congressional approval for
the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved the use of military
force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the Kuwaiti government made
a formal request for help.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprin=
t
er
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
I know I should have paid more attention back in school when we were
covering this, but does the President of the United States have to win
approval from the UN before going into places like Iraq or Iran? Does
he
only need congress's? =20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
ken barber
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have a
point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.=20
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> favorite curmudgeon!!!=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
> not know that too.=20
>=20
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>=20
> > May I ask you who's dubya?
> >=20
> > Thanks,=20
> > Anthony=20
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>=20
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:04:02 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FW: dental question
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Let me send this again, so the link stays intact!
-----Original Message-----
From: Kendall David Corbett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
Anthony,
President Bush tried to get UN approval for the war in Iraq, and was
turned down. He then formed a coalition of partner nations for the war,
which included the US, England, Australia, Canada, and a few others that
I can't recall right now.
This is a link to an article in the Washington Post from August of 2002
that talks about members of the present President Bush's administration
saying that the President didn't even need Congressional approval for
the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved the use of military
force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the Kuwaiti government made
a formal request for help.
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
I know I should have paid more attention back in school when we were
covering this, but does the President of the United States have to win
approval from the UN before going into places like Iraq or Iran? Does
he
only need congress's? =20
Thanks,=20
Anthony=20
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of
ken barber
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have a
point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.=20
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> favorite curmudgeon!!!=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
> not know that too.=20
>=20
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>=20
> > May I ask you who's dubya?
> >=20
> > Thanks,=20
> > Anthony=20
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>=20
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:09:58 -0700
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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Ken,=20
You're right, but by the same token, if Bill Clinton were in a room full
of Republicans and a woman got pinched.... Oops, bad example! ;-{)}
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 1:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have a
point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.=20
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> favorite curmudgeon!!!=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
> not know that too.=20
>=20
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>=20
> > May I ask you who's dubya?
> >=20
> > Thanks,=20
> > Anthony=20
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>=20
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:30:30 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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ooh, i see i sparked a little fire. my mailbox is
quite full.
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> You're right, but by the same token, if Bill Clinton
> were in a room full
> of Republicans and a woman got pinched.... Oops, bad
> example! ;-{)}
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 1:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> a
> point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > favorite curmudgeon!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> did
> > not know that too.
> >
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:54:20 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
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actually resolution 1441 passed without desent, but,
then when it got time to actually follow through, then
the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
would not follow through. 1441 gave any member nation
the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits with a
few more did exactly that.
it appears that the intelligence worldwide was wrong
on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction unless
you believe that ranking iragi general that says they
flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
guess some of you have heard nothing about him up to
just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
question. do you think iragis are better off now than
before the invasion? your honest answer should pretty
well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
wealsel out, they are either better off without saddam
or they were better off with him.
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Let me send this again, so the link stays intact!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kendall David Corbett
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> Anthony,
>
> President Bush tried to get UN approval for the war
> in Iraq, and was
> turned down. He then formed a coalition of partner
> nations for the war,
> which included the US, England, Australia, Canada,
> and a few others that
> I can't recall right now.
>
> This is a link to an article in the Washington Post
> from August of 2002
> that talks about members of the present President
> Bush's administration
> saying that the President didn't even need
> Congressional approval for
> the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> the use of military
> force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> Kuwaiti government made
> a formal request for help.
>
>
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=printer
>
>
>
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Arnold
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> I know I should have paid more attention back in
> school when we were
> covering this, but does the President of the United
> States have to win
> approval from the UN before going into places like
> Iraq or Iran? Does
> he
> only need congress's?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> a
> point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > favorite curmudgeon!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> did
> > not know that too.
> >
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:56:41 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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but, congress did approve twice making the claim moot.
>
> This is a link to an article in the Washington Post
> from August of 2002
> that talks about members of the present President
> Bush's administration
> saying that the President didn't even need
> Congressional approval for
> the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> the use of military
> force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> Kuwaiti government made
> a formal request for help.
>
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=print
> er
>
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Arnold
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> I know I should have paid more attention back in
> school when we were
> covering this, but does the President of the United
> States have to win
> approval from the UN before going into places like
> Iraq or Iran? Does
> he
> only need congress's?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> a
> point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > favorite curmudgeon!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> did
> > not know that too.
> >
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
>
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:01:58 -0800
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From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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well that about makes a case.
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'd love Bush to go to Iraq to fight, period.
>
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> > [Original Message]
> > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/24/2006 6:14:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > You mean you aren't for Bush, but you're for the
> war, I'm willing to
> listen.
> > I know several republicans who are like that, they
> don't understand why
> > people like myself can support the troops but
> frown on the war. I know
> this
> > is mean to say but I would love to see Bush ship
> children of war
> supporters
> > over to Iraq and come home either disabled or
> dead, and ask them "was it
> > worthwhile".
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:56 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> did
> > not know that too.
> >
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > ken barber
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:36 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > now don't confuse anyone with facts, everything
> that
> > > goes bad is dubya's fault. if you have a bad
> dream
> > > it's dubya's fault.
> > >
> > > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually I'm not a expert in this area, but
> the
> > > > dental program at the
> > > > University of Minnesota wasn't the only thing
> cut
> > > > throughout the state.
> > > > According to my personal knowledge (and I
> could be
> > > > wrong, but I'm pretty
> > > > sure I'm right), but they wouldn't have had to
> do
> > > > any cutting if it wasn't
> > > > for Jessie Ventura giving out rebates year
> after
> > > > year, and the state was
> > > > basically broke that required for some serious
> > > house
> > > > cleaning. The clean-up
> > > > duty fell on Tim Pawlenty's shoulders, and
> believe
> > > > me he was a unpopular man
> > > > for a couple of months until people began
> > > realizing
> > > > that he only did what he
> > > > had to do, and Minnesota is almost back on
> track
> > > > thanks to him.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > ken barber
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:56 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >
> > > > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART
> (opps,
> > > > caps)
> > > > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> > > sight.
> > > > and i am not mad at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know,
> Ken
> > > > will
> > > > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq
> is
> > > > > eating up the budget.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of
> > > > > Anthony Arnold
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who
> tries
> > > > his
> > > > > very best to clean my
> > > > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> > > > doesn't
> > > > > have OR privileges, it
> > > > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think
> cost
> > > > > factors may apply. For a
> > > > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with
> the
> > > > > residency program through the
> > > > > Dental School at the University of
> Minnesota,
> > > but
> > > > > due to state budget cuts
> > > > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> > > > school,
> > > > > and I don't understand
> > > > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> > > over
> > > > to
> > > > > the regular dental
> > > > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> > > making
> > > > > enough money to keep the
> > > > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> > > saying
> > > > > it wasn't true.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of
> > > > > Deri James
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony
> Arnold
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out
> this
> > > > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have
> to
> > > put
> > > > me
>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:09:17 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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constitutionally if congress approves, (and they did
twice with all the dem leaders voting for it before
they voted against it.) he needs nothing else. once
war is approved, article two gives the commander in
chief broad powers and congress can not amend the
constitution by passing laws. that is why the courts
have and will continue to rule that things like the
controversial nsa spying is legal, the screaming of
the leading dems, notwithstanding.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I know I should have paid more attention back in
> school when we were
> covering this, but does the President of the United
> States have to win
> approval from the UN before going into places like
> Iraq or Iran? Does he
> only need congress's?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> a
> point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > favorite curmudgeon!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> did
> > not know that too.
> >
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
>
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well it is reported fact that tax revenue went up
after the tax cuts, not downas the opponants had
predicted. making it a streak. same thing happened
when jfk cut tax rates, same thing when reagan cut tax
rates. the goverment collected more money not less.
the ecconomy is stemilated and while %ages are cut
income totals go up.
so without tax cuts the deficiet would be bigger.
i paid less tax. got a check and cashed it. i guess
that is as direct as it can get. by the way, i do not
think i am rich.
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken, Mike, et al,
>
> But how much would the deficit have increased
> without the tax cuts under
> Bush? And how many of us on the list have been able
> to directly benefit
> from those cuts? The reason I say "directly
> benefit," is that I don't
> want to start a thread on trickle down economics.
> Even Reagan and Bush
> Senior (President Daddy) backed away from that.
>
> Under Bill Clinton, we had budget surpluses, and now
> with Dubya, we have
> the largest annual deficits ever, even with the
> massive cuts to social
> programs. Granted, part of that is due to the
> hurricanes, and the war,
> both of which, IMO, were, and continue to be,
> terribly mishandled. To
> push to make the tax cuts permanent during a time of
> war is
> irresponsible, and flies in the face of the "paygo"
> (pay as you go)
> budgetary process. The earliest reference I can
> find to PAYGO is in an
> article about the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation
> Act, which means
> that it was most likely instituted under Bush
> Senior, if not before.
>
> Yesterday I heard a statement by Secretary of State
> Rice about Iran,
> which sounded eerily similar to the "saber rattling"
> that went on before
> the start of military operations in Iraq. I agree
> that permitting Iran
> to develop nuclear weapons capabilities is not a
> good idea, but the
> thought of entering another military conflict when
> there are potential
> diplomatic options still to be explored is
> frightening. This is all the
> more disturbing when Iran is the piece of real
> estate that would link
> Afghanistan and Iraq, where there is a current US
> combat presence.
>
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:52 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> we are spending more money than ever before on
> education and we are getting nothing for it. even
> without the war, the deficiet would be going up.
>
> i am afraid that most of the problems we have,
> throwing money at it will not necessarily fix the
> problems. we need to think carfully before spendimg.
> how many mobile homes are sitting rotting in
> arkansas
> instead of being moved on into the katrina area
> becouse there is some reg about not putting them in
> a
> flood area. those cruise ships etc. just not very
> well
> thought out.
>
> the war on drugs is a waste.
>
> it isboth parties. whoever is in is spending too
> much.
> right now its the gop, next it may be the dems, but,
> nothing ever changes, the money keeps on going down
> rat holes while legitimate needs don't get met.
>
> bush is spending too much now, hillery will spend
> too
> much when she gets there. its like why bother
> voting.
> theres no difference.
>
> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > The president is creating a tremendous debt that
> all
> > our kids will inherit.
> > I think it's quite clear that whoever is in
> office,
> > left, right or center,
> > will spend money on whatever their cause is. we
> need
> > to be spending money
> > for education, health care for elderly and PWD,
> > rebuilding the towns that
> > got hit by katrina. I think it's safe to say that
> > what is going on in Iraq,
> > needs to be done by the Iraqis, not by American
> > troops.
> >
> > Mag
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> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/23/2006 7:56:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> > caps)
> > > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> > sight.
> > > and i am not mad at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know,
> Ken
> > will
> > > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq
> is
> > > > eating up the budget.)
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Anthony Arnold
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who
> tries
> > his
> > > > very best to clean my
> > > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> > doesn't
> > > > have OR privileges, it
> > > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think
> cost
> > > > factors may apply. For a
> > > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > > residency program through the
> > > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> > but
> > > > due to state budget cuts
> > > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> > school,
> > > > and I don't understand
> > > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> > over to
> > > > the regular dental
> > > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> > making
> > > > enough money to keep the
> > > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> > saying
> > > > it wasn't true.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Deri James
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
>
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The argument could be made that the original request by Kuwait in 1991
doesn't apply to the present case. The second (and possibly third?)
approval in late 2002 or early 2003, is why I say that I'm not a member
of an organized political party, I'm a Democrat! =20
In the post 9/11 period, many in the US could have been told my
grandmother was an Al Qaeda sympathizer, and would have bought it - she
and my granddad did live in Pakistan for 18 months!
Kendall=20
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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-----Original Message-----
From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: iraq war
but, congress did approve twice making the claim moot.
>=20
> This is a link to an article in the Washington Post
> from August of 2002
> that talks about members of the present President
> Bush's administration
> saying that the President didn't even need
> Congressional approval for
> the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> the use of military
> force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> Kuwaiti government made
> a formal request for help.
>=20
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprin=
t
> er
>=20
>=20
> Kendall=20
>=20
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>=20
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>=20
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Arnold
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> I know I should have paid more attention back in
> school when we were
> covering this, but does the President of the United
> States have to win
> approval from the UN before going into places like
> Iraq or Iran? Does
> he
> only need congress's? =20
>=20
> Thanks,=20
> Anthony=20
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> a
> point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.=20
>=20
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>=20
> > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > favorite curmudgeon!!!=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> did
> > not know that too.=20
> >=20
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >=20
> > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > >=20
> > > Thanks,=20
> > > Anthony=20
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >=20
>=20
>=20
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:49:22 -0700
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Ken,
Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call; they may (or may not,
some would argue) have greater civil liberties, but their lives may be
in greater immediate danger than they were under Hussein. =20
On the opposite side of that coin, many would argue that we in the US
are safer, but have had our civil liberties eroded. It was said in the
immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists wanted to destroy the
American (read US) way of life, and they have made a start toward that,
IMHO.
As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't explicitly give member states
of the UN permission to undertake unilateral military action against
Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN resolutions 678 and
687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991, respectively. =20
My point is that the armed forces presently engaged as coalition
partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are not formally
recognized as UN forces.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
actually resolution 1441 passed without desent, but,
then when it got time to actually follow through, then
the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
would not follow through. 1441 gave any member nation
the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits with a
few more did exactly that.=20
it appears that the intelligence worldwide was wrong
on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction unless
you believe that ranking iragi general that says they
flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
guess some of you have heard nothing about him up to
just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
question. do you think iragis are better off now than
before the invasion? your honest answer should pretty
well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
wealsel out, they are either better off without saddam
or they were better off with him.=20
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Let me send this again, so the link stays intact!
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kendall David Corbett
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> Anthony,
>=20
> President Bush tried to get UN approval for the war
> in Iraq, and was
> turned down. He then formed a coalition of partner
> nations for the war,
> which included the US, England, Australia, Canada,
> and a few others that
> I can't recall right now.
>=20
> This is a link to an article in the Washington Post
> from August of 2002
> that talks about members of the present President
> Bush's administration
> saying that the President didn't even need
> Congressional approval for
> the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> the use of military
> force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> Kuwaiti government made
> a formal request for help.
>=20
>
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Kendall=20
>=20
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>=20
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>=20
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Arnold
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> I know I should have paid more attention back in
> school when we were
> covering this, but does the President of the United
> States have to win
> approval from the UN before going into places like
> Iraq or Iran? Does
> he
> only need congress's? =20
>=20
> Thanks,=20
> Anthony=20
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> a
> point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.=20
>=20
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>=20
> > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > favorite curmudgeon!!!=20
> >=20
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> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> did
> > not know that too.=20
> >=20
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >=20
> > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > >=20
> > > Thanks,=20
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I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein and his brother for, but
they had no involvement in September 11th, so why are we over there besides
to take our frustration out on somebody. But on the other hand, if I would
become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out immediately as some would
like to see, I would personally like to fix what my country has done. It's
like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on somebody's carpet and it burns
a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their carpet, no matter what.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kendall David Corbett
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
Ken,
Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call; they may (or may not,
some would argue) have greater civil liberties, but their lives may be
in greater immediate danger than they were under Hussein. =20
On the opposite side of that coin, many would argue that we in the US
are safer, but have had our civil liberties eroded. It was said in the
immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists wanted to destroy the
American (read US) way of life, and they have made a start toward that,
IMHO.
As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't explicitly give member states
of the UN permission to undertake unilateral military action against
Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN resolutions 678 and
687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991, respectively. =20
My point is that the armed forces presently engaged as coalition
partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are not formally
recognized as UN forces.
Kendall=20
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
actually resolution 1441 passed without desent, but,
then when it got time to actually follow through, then
the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
would not follow through. 1441 gave any member nation
the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits with a
few more did exactly that.=20
it appears that the intelligence worldwide was wrong
on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction unless
you believe that ranking iragi general that says they
flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
guess some of you have heard nothing about him up to
just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
question. do you think iragis are better off now than
before the invasion? your honest answer should pretty
well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
wealsel out, they are either better off without saddam
or they were better off with him.=20
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Let me send this again, so the link stays intact!
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kendall David Corbett
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> Anthony,
>=20
> President Bush tried to get UN approval for the war
> in Iraq, and was
> turned down. He then formed a coalition of partner
> nations for the war,
> which included the US, England, Australia, Canada,
> and a few others that
> I can't recall right now.
>=20
> This is a link to an article in the Washington Post
> from August of 2002
> that talks about members of the present President
> Bush's administration
> saying that the President didn't even need
> Congressional approval for
> the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> the use of military
> force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> Kuwaiti government made
> a formal request for help.
>=20
>
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Kendall=20
>=20
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>=20
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>=20
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Arnold
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> I know I should have paid more attention back in
> school when we were
> covering this, but does the President of the United
> States have to win
> approval from the UN before going into places like
> Iraq or Iran? Does
> he
> only need congress's? =20
>=20
> Thanks,=20
> Anthony=20
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>=20
> you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> a
> point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.=20
>=20
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>=20
> > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > favorite curmudgeon!!!=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> did
> > not know that too.=20
> >=20
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >=20
> > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > >=20
> > > Thanks,=20
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I was a loyal member of the Republican Party until Bush II. He soured me on
voting for him by his record in TX, remember? My cousin tried to get me to
come back into the fold, but I simply refused to. If McCain gets the nod,
I'll come back, but if Allen gets it I won't. I know too much of Allen's
background. Mark Warner's a good fiscal conservative, He helped Virginia,
and believe me, when he became governor, Virginia needed help after two or
three terms of Republican cut and spend.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: dental question
you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have a
point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> favorite curmudgeon!!!
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any member of the security council can enforce a un
resolution. it does not have to be artorized in the
resolution.
so on one hand the iragis can deal with random
terrorist bombings or they could have stayed with
government santioned rape, torue, mass murder. well
that is a black and white decision to me.
"the constitution is not a suicide pack." some one in
high office said that. presidents from washington on
have had to thred where bush has tread. that includes
lincoln and roosevelt to name two. oh, some of the
history of things those two did.
imho it is not such cut and dried decisions that have
been made. the fact that you had to present more than
one argument to answer the question is proof thereof.
the only fact that is sure is that lincoln and
roosevelt could not have won their respective wars had
they had hafe as much non-cooperation during their
day. i can just imagine how the press would have
described 7000 lost on iwo jima alone. the d day
invasion would have been described as a disaster by
todays press. bull run by todays standards would have
been the end of the union.
i am happy that i do not have to make the decisions
being made daily. i am glad most of you have nothing
to do with the decisions too. all we have to do is sit
back and second guess. thats as close as i want to be
to the decisions.
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> they may (or may not,
> some would argue) have greater civil liberties, but
> their lives may be
> in greater immediate danger than they were under
> Hussein.
>
> On the opposite side of that coin, many would argue
> that we in the US
> are safer, but have had our civil liberties eroded.
> It was said in the
> immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> wanted to destroy the
> American (read US) way of life, and they have made a
> start toward that,
> IMHO.
>
> As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't explicitly
> give member states
> of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> military action against
> Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> resolutions 678 and
> 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> respectively.
>
> My point is that the armed forces presently engaged
> as coalition
> partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> not formally
> recognized as UN forces.
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> but,
> then when it got time to actually follow through,
> then
> the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> nation
> the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits with
> a
> few more did exactly that.
> it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> wrong
> on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> unless
> you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> they
> flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> guess some of you have heard nothing about him up to
> just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> question. do you think iragis are better off now
> than
> before the invasion? your honest answer should
> pretty
> well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> wealsel out, they are either better off without
> saddam
> or they were better off with him.
>
> --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Let me send this again, so the link stays intact!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > Anthony,
> >
> > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> war
> > in Iraq, and was
> > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> partner
> > nations for the war,
> > which included the US, England, Australia, Canada,
> > and a few others that
> > I can't recall right now.
> >
> > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> Post
> > from August of 2002
> > that talks about members of the present President
> > Bush's administration
> > saying that the President didn't even need
> > Congressional approval for
> > the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> > the use of military
> > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > Kuwaiti government made
> > a formal request for help.
> >
> >
>
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=printer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kendall
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the
> > unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anthony Arnold
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I know I should have paid more attention back in
> > school when we were
> > covering this, but does the President of the
> United
> > States have to win
> > approval from the UN before going into places like
> > Iraq or Iran? Does
> > he
> > only need congress's?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > you guys would never admit it, but, you know i
> have
> > a
> > point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> > democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
> >
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're
> our
> > > favorite curmudgeon!!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > ken barber
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> > did
> > > not know that too.
> > >
> > > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
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i had a friend that did trade in pakastan. great
products but he said one had to be very careful.
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The argument could be made that the original request
> by Kuwait in 1991
> doesn't apply to the present case. The second (and
> possibly third?)
> approval in late 2002 or early 2003, is why I say
> that I'm not a member
> of an organized political party, I'm a Democrat!
>
> In the post 9/11 period, many in the US could have
> been told my
> grandmother was an Al Qaeda sympathizer, and would
> have bought it - she
> and my granddad did live in Pakistan for 18 months!
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:57 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: iraq war
>
> but, congress did approve twice making the claim
> moot.
>
> >
> > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> Post
> > from August of 2002
> > that talks about members of the present President
> > Bush's administration
> > saying that the President didn't even need
> > Congressional approval for
> > the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> > the use of military
> > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > Kuwaiti government made
> > a formal request for help.
> >
> >
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=print
> > er
> >
> >
> > Kendall
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the
> > unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anthony Arnold
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > I know I should have paid more attention back in
> > school when we were
> > covering this, but does the President of the
> United
> > States have to win
> > approval from the UN before going into places like
> > Iraq or Iran? Does
> > he
> > only need congress's?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > you guys would never admit it, but, you know i
> have
> > a
> > point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> > democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
> >
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're
> our
> > > favorite curmudgeon!!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > ken barber
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> > did
> > > not know that too.
> > >
> > > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> >
> >
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i agree with you on fiscal policy, the right formula
is cut taxes and not expand spending. but, pols on
both sides seem to spend it if they can. bush has not
vetoed one spending bill. that is definately a fault.
forget warner, he can't beat clinton for the
nomination. mc cain, maybe he can get the nod, allen,
i don't think so, but, its a long time till 2008.
rudy? popular, but, getting the nomination, i don't
know.
i may vote libertarian. but, that might be a waste
too. personally i am not happy with the choices unless
someone else comes out of the woodwork.
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I was a loyal member of the Republican Party until
> Bush II. He soured me on
> voting for him by his record in TX, remember? My
> cousin tried to get me to
> come back into the fold, but I simply refused to.
> If McCain gets the nod,
> I'll come back, but if Allen gets it I won't. I
> know too much of Allen's
> background. Mark Warner's a good fiscal
> conservative, He helped Virginia,
> and believe me, when he became governor, Virginia
> needed help after two or
> three terms of Republican cut and spend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> a
> point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > favorite curmudgeon!!!
>
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r u sure? you have not read some of the released
documents, but, once again to know about them you'd
have to go to the right government sites and get
beyond the 6:00 alphbet soup evening news.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein and
> his brother for, but
> they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> are we over there besides
> to take our frustration out on somebody. But on the
> other hand, if I would
> become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> immediately as some would
> like to see, I would personally like to fix what my
> country has done. It's
> like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> somebody's carpet and it burns
> a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> carpet, no matter what.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Kendall David Corbett
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> Ken,
>
> Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> they may (or may not,
> some would argue) have greater civil liberties, but
> their lives may be
> in greater immediate danger than they were under
> Hussein. =20
>
> On the opposite side of that coin, many would argue
> that we in the US
> are safer, but have had our civil liberties eroded.
> It was said in the
> immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> wanted to destroy the
> American (read US) way of life, and they have made a
> start toward that,
> IMHO.
>
> As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't explicitly
> give member states
> of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> military action against
> Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> resolutions 678 and
> 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> respectively. =20
>
> My point is that the armed forces presently engaged
> as coalition
> partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> not formally
> recognized as UN forces.
>
> Kendall=20
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> but,
> then when it got time to actually follow through,
> then
> the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> nation
> the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits with
> a
> few more did exactly that.=20
> it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> wrong
> on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> unless
> you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> they
> flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> guess some of you have heard nothing about him up to
> just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> question. do you think iragis are better off now
> than
> before the invasion? your honest answer should
> pretty
> well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> wealsel out, they are either better off without
> saddam
> or they were better off with him.=20
>
> --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Let me send this again, so the link stays intact!
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > Anthony,
> >=20
> > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> war
> > in Iraq, and was
> > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> partner
> > nations for the war,
> > which included the US, England, Australia, Canada,
> > and a few others that
> > I can't recall right now.
> >=20
> > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> Post
> > from August of 2002
> > that talks about members of the present President
> > Bush's administration
> > saying that the President didn't even need
> > Congressional approval for
> > the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> > the use of military
> > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > Kuwaiti government made
> > a formal request for help.
> >=20
> >
>
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Kendall=20
> >=20
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> >=20
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the
> > unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >=20
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anthony Arnold
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > I know I should have paid more attention back in
> > school when we were
> > covering this, but does the President of the
> United
> > States have to win
> > approval from the UN before going into places like
> > Iraq or Iran? Does
> > he
> > only need congress's? =20
> >=20
> > Thanks,=20
> > Anthony=20
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > you guys would never admit it, but, you know i
> have
> > a
> > point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> > democrats and bush will be blamed for the
> stench.=20
>
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hey, guys, i have enjoyed badgering you, but, the
hands are beginning to hurts so i am going to try to
get off.
--- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> r u sure? you have not read some of the released
> documents, but, once again to know about them you'd
> have to go to the right government sites and get
> beyond the 6:00 alphbet soup evening news.
>
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> and
> > his brother for, but
> > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> > are we over there besides
> > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> the
> > other hand, if I would
> > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> > immediately as some would
> > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> my
> > country has done. It's
> > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > somebody's carpet and it burns
> > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > carpet, no matter what.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Kendall David Corbett
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> > they may (or may not,
> > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> but
> > their lives may be
> > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > Hussein. =20
> >
> > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> argue
> > that we in the US
> > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> eroded.
> > It was said in the
> > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > wanted to destroy the
> > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> a
> > start toward that,
> > IMHO.
> >
> > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> explicitly
> > give member states
> > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > military action against
> > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > resolutions 678 and
> > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > respectively. =20
> >
> > My point is that the armed forces presently
> engaged
> > as coalition
> > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> > not formally
> > recognized as UN forces.
> >
> > Kendall=20
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the
> > unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> > but,
> > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> > then
> > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > nation
> > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> with
> > a
> > few more did exactly that.=20
> > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > wrong
> > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > unless
> > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > they
> > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> to
> > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > than
> > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > pretty
> > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > saddam
> > or they were better off with him.=20
> >
> > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> intact!
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >=20
> > > Anthony,
> > >=20
> > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> > war
> > > in Iraq, and was
> > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> > partner
> > > nations for the war,
> > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> Canada,
> > > and a few others that
> > > I can't recall right now.
> > >=20
> > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> > Post
> > > from August of 2002
> > > that talks about members of the present
> President
> > > Bush's administration
> > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > Congressional approval for
> > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> approved
> > > the use of military
> > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > a formal request for help.
> > >=20
> > >
> >
>
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Kendall=20
> > >=20
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > redundant!)
> > >=20
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the
> > > unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself.
> > > Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >=20
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Anthony Arnold
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >=20
>
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this will be my last post tonight. i supported someone
else in 2000 and voted for bush only becouse the other
choice was gore. i voted for bush in 2004 becouse of
the war and kerry was not such a great choice.
i do not like bushes spending policy. i think his
education bill was a waste. he has did lots of things
that i think would have been better undone and failed
to do some things i thought should have been done. but
given the same choices i'd vote the same way.
i really do not care for clinton, but, i think she
is a shoo in for the dem nomination. not knowing who
the gop might put up, i can't say that i will not
waste a vote on a third party.
i do think that now, no matter about the past, we
have to stick it out in iraq. i am notsure that the
next president will do that and there will be hell to
pay if we get out too early.
also while it may be hard, i do not think the past
in iraq can be allowed to influence decisions in the
future about iran and north korea.
probably unpopular opinions, but, hey i am not
trying out for american idol.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> You mean you aren't for Bush, but you're for the
> war, I'm willing to listen.
> I know several republicans who are like that, they
> don't understand why
> people like myself can support the troops but frown
> on the war. I know this
> is mean to say but I would love to see Bush ship
> children of war supporters
> over to Iraq and come home either disabled or dead,
> and ask them "was it
> worthwhile".
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you did
> not know that too.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > May I ask you who's dubya?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:36 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >
> > now don't confuse anyone with facts, everything
> that
> > goes bad is dubya's fault. if you have a bad dream
> > it's dubya's fault.
> >
> > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Actually I'm not a expert in this area, but the
> > > dental program at the
> > > University of Minnesota wasn't the only thing
> cut
> > > throughout the state.
> > > According to my personal knowledge (and I could
> be
> > > wrong, but I'm pretty
> > > sure I'm right), but they wouldn't have had to
> do
> > > any cutting if it wasn't
> > > for Jessie Ventura giving out rebates year after
> > > year, and the state was
> > > basically broke that required for some serious
> > house
> > > cleaning. The clean-up
> > > duty fell on Tim Pawlenty's shoulders, and
> believe
> > > me he was a unpopular man
> > > for a couple of months until people began
> > realizing
> > > that he only did what he
> > > had to do, and Minnesota is almost back on track
> > > thanks to him.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > ken barber
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:56 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> > > caps)
> > > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> > sight.
> > > and i am not mad at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know,
> Ken
> > > will
> > > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq
> is
> > > > eating up the budget.)
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Anthony Arnold
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who
> tries
> > > his
> > > > very best to clean my
> > > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> > > doesn't
> > > > have OR privileges, it
> > > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think
> cost
> > > > factors may apply. For a
> > > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > > residency program through the
> > > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> > but
> > > > due to state budget cuts
> > > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> > > school,
> > > > and I don't understand
> > > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> > over
> > > to
> > > > the regular dental
> > > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> > making
> > > > enough money to keep the
> > > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> > saying
> > > > it wasn't true.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Deri James
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out
> this
> > > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to
> > put
> > > me
> > > > under for any dental
> > > > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is
> common
> > > for
> > > > adults with cerebral
> > > > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due
> > to
> > > > the licensing for
> > > > dentists,
> > > > > there are very few of them willing to travel
> > to
> > > > the OR to conduct work?
> > > > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > >
> > > > > Visit my website at
> > > > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> > > www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > Hi Anthony,
> > > >
> > > > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for
> dental
> > > > work, but I found a dentist
> > > > brave enough to give it a go without, she can
>
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either way, kendall is hot. hee hee. okay so i posted
again
--- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Friday 24 Mar 2006 00:04, Kendall David Corbett
> wrote:
> > Deri,
> >
> > It just occurred to me; if your wife refers to you
> as an "unseasonable
> > man", are you "unseasonably cool", or
> "unseasonably hot"? Either one
> > could be a very good thing; depending on the slang
> your wife grew up
> > with!
> >
> > Kendall
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> >
>
> I suspect its "unseasonable" as in not the weather
> you really want or
> expect!!.
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
>
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lots of tax money went into corruption.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Actually I feel we could talk about what should and
> shouldn't have happened
> down in Louisiana and Mississippi until we're blue
> in the face, but unless
> we actually see it and what needs to be done, we
> won't have a true
> understanding. But I must say it's quite a
> embarrassment that my tax money
> wasn't used to prevent.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:52 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: dental question
>
> we are spending more money than ever before on
> education and we are getting nothing for it. even
> without the war, the deficiet would be going up.
>
> i am afraid that most of the problems we have,
> throwing money at it will not necessarily fix the
> problems. we need to think carfully before spendimg.
> how many mobile homes are sitting rotting in
> arkansas
> instead of being moved on into the katrina area
> becouse there is some reg about not putting them in
> a
> flood area. those cruise ships etc. just not very
> well
> thought out.
>
> the war on drugs is a waste.
>
> it isboth parties. whoever is in is spending too
> much.
> right now its the gop, next it may be the dems, but,
> nothing ever changes, the money keeps on going down
> rat holes while legitimate needs don't get met.
>
> bush is spending too much now, hillery will spend
> too
> much when she gets there. its like why bother
> voting.
> theres no difference.
>
> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > The president is creating a tremendous debt that
> all
> > our kids will inherit.
> > I think it's quite clear that whoever is in
> office,
> > left, right or center,
> > will spend money on whatever their cause is. we
> need
> > to be spending money
> > for education, health care for elderly and PWD,
> > rebuilding the towns that
> > got hit by katrina. I think it's safe to say that
> > what is going on in Iraq,
> > needs to be done by the Iraqis, not by American
> > troops.
> >
> > Mag
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Come visit my new store!
> > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > visit my Blog at;
> > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/23/2006 7:56:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >
> > > I THINK OTHER THINGS ARE DOING THEIR PART (opps,
> > caps)
> > > on the budget. for sure the spending is outof
> > sight.
> > > and i am not mad at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank the DUBYA for that! (I know, I know,
> Ken
> > will
> > > > be mad at me. I'm
> > > > sorry, Ken, but I just think the war in Iraq
> is
> > > > eating up the budget.)
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Anthony Arnold
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently seen by a local dentist, who
> tries
> > his
> > > > very best to clean my
> > > > teeth, but he's unable to get x-rays and he
> > doesn't
> > > > have OR privileges, it
> > > > isn't that he isn't willing to, but I think
> cost
> > > > factors may apply. For a
> > > > couple of years, we had a arrangement with the
> > > > residency program through the
> > > > Dental School at the University of Minnesota,
> > but
> > > > due to state budget cuts
> > > > they had to discontinue that division of the
> > school,
> > > > and I don't understand
> > > > why they couldn't just transfer the patients
> > over to
> > > > the regular dental
> > > > school. The state was saying they weren't
> > making
> > > > enough money to keep the
> > > > division operational, but yet the staff was
> > saying
> > > > it wasn't true.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Deri James
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:33 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 23 Mar 2006 20:10, Anthony Arnold
> > wrote:
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For sometime, I have wanted to throw out
> this
> > > > question, but I have a gag
> > > > > reflex, which causes the dentist to have to
> > put me
> > > > under for any dental
> > > > > work, and I'm just wondering if this is
> common
> > for
> > > > adults with cerebral
> > > > > palsy? Another problem I'm experiencing due
> > to
> > > > the licensing for
> > > > dentists,
> > > > > there are very few of them willing to travel
> > to
> > > > the OR to conduct work?
> > > > > Has anyone experienced this also?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > >
> > > > > Visit my website at
> > > > <http://www.anthonyarnold.net>
> > www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > Hi Anthony,
> > > >
> > > > I used to have a General Anaesthetic for
> dental
> > > > work, but I found a dentist
> > > > brave enough to give it a go without, she can
> > tell
> > > > when I'm going to gag and
> > > >
> > > > pauses slightly until it passes. I try to
> phase
>
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In a message dated 3/23/2006 10:27:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Even if I do get a little
loud sometimes I hope I can teach one person that people with
disabilities deserve respect just like any other minority group.
I can't believe what I'm reading in this group! Everyone, except my mother,
even other people with disabilities have told me more or less to turn the
other cheek. Bull, I say. Yes, people might wonder about my disability, but
it's no more polite to stop me and make remarks about "why" or "how" or what
ever than it is to do it to members of other minority group.
I am trying to cool myself a little because who cares what strangers think,
but I do see a lack of respect for people with disabilities and will never let
that slide. I thought I was a little crazy, but now I see I'm not all
alone.
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:49:19 -0800
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Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he perpetrated against the Kurds,
and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own people.
Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or Clinton lying about his
affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about wmd is worse because
after they found no wmd, he made up several other stories about why we are
there.
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> [Original Message]
> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein and his brother for, but
> they had no involvement in September 11th, so why are we over there
besides
> to take our frustration out on somebody. But on the other hand, if I
would
> become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out immediately as some
would
> like to see, I would personally like to fix what my country has done.
It's
> like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on somebody's carpet and it
burns
> a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their carpet, no matter what.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Kendall David Corbett
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> Ken,
>
> Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call; they may (or may not,
> some would argue) have greater civil liberties, but their lives may be
> in greater immediate danger than they were under Hussein. =20
>
> On the opposite side of that coin, many would argue that we in the US
> are safer, but have had our civil liberties eroded. It was said in the
> immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists wanted to destroy the
> American (read US) way of life, and they have made a start toward that,
> IMHO.
>
> As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't explicitly give member states
> of the UN permission to undertake unilateral military action against
> Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN resolutions 678 and
> 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991, respectively. =20
>
> My point is that the armed forces presently engaged as coalition
> partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are not formally
> recognized as UN forces.
>
> Kendall=20
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> actually resolution 1441 passed without desent, but,
> then when it got time to actually follow through, then
> the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> would not follow through. 1441 gave any member nation
> the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits with a
> few more did exactly that.=20
> it appears that the intelligence worldwide was wrong
> on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction unless
> you believe that ranking iragi general that says they
> flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> guess some of you have heard nothing about him up to
> just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> question. do you think iragis are better off now than
> before the invasion? your honest answer should pretty
> well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> wealsel out, they are either better off without saddam
> or they were better off with him.=20
>
> --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Let me send this again, so the link stays intact!
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > Anthony,
> >=20
> > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the war
> > in Iraq, and was
> > turned down. He then formed a coalition of partner
> > nations for the war,
> > which included the US, England, Australia, Canada,
> > and a few others that
> > I can't recall right now.
> >=20
> > This is a link to an article in the Washington Post
> > from August of 2002
> > that talks about members of the present President
> > Bush's administration
> > saying that the President didn't even need
> > Congressional approval for
> > the present Iraq war, since Congress had approved
> > the use of military
> > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > Kuwaiti government made
> > a formal request for help.
> >=20
> >
> www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Kendall=20
> >=20
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> >=20
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> > unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >=20
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anthony Arnold
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:29 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > I know I should have paid more attention back in
> > school when we were
> > covering this, but does the President of the United
> > States have to win
> > approval from the UN before going into places like
> > Iraq or Iran? Does
> > he
> > only need congress's? =20
> >=20
> > Thanks,=20
> > Anthony=20
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:35 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: dental question
> >=20
> > you guys would never admit it, but, you know i have
> > a
> > point. someone can pass gass in a room full of
> > democrats and bush will be blamed for the stench.=20
> >=20
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >=20
> > > Now, now, Ken!!! Don't get testy. LOL You're our
> > > favorite curmudgeon!!!=20
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > ken barber
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 12:56 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >=20
> > > george dubya bush. and it is his fault that you
> > did
> > > not know that too.=20
> > >=20
> > > --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > May I ask you who's dubya?
> > > >=20
> > > > Thanks,=20
> > > > Anthony=20
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell something
that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
look it up.
you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well as
all your derm senators and intelligence around the
world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
body lied, only "bush lied."
the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse not
a one of them knew that he did not have them and went
ahead and said he did.
get past the foolishness and get something
substantial to say.
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> perpetrated against the Kurds,
> and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> people.
>
> Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> Clinton lying about his
> affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> wmd is worse because
> after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> stories about why we are
> there.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> >
> > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> and his brother for, but
> > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> are we over there
> besides
> > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> the other hand, if I
> would
> > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> immediately as some
> would
> > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> my country has done.
> It's
> > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> somebody's carpet and it
> burns
> > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> carpet, no matter what.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Kendall David Corbett
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> they may (or may not,
> > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> but their lives may be
> > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> Hussein. =20
> >
> > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> argue that we in the US
> > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> eroded. It was said in the
> > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> wanted to destroy the
> > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> a start toward that,
> > IMHO.
> >
> > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> explicitly give member states
> > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> military action against
> > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> resolutions 678 and
> > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> respectively. =20
> >
> > My point is that the armed forces presently
> engaged as coalition
> > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> not formally
> > recognized as UN forces.
> >
> > Kendall=20
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> but,
> > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> then
> > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> nation
> > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> with a
> > few more did exactly that.=20
> > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> wrong
> > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> unless
> > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> they
> > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> to
> > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> than
> > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> pretty
> > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> saddam
> > or they were better off with him.=20
> >
> > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> intact!
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >=20
> > > Anthony,
> > >=20
> > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> war
> > > in Iraq, and was
> > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> partner
> > > nations for the war,
> > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> Canada,
> > > and a few others that
> > > I can't recall right now.
> > >=20
> > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> Post
> > > from August of 2002
> > > that talks about members of the present
> President
> > > Bush's administration
> > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > Congressional approval for
> > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> approved
> > > the use of military
> > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > a formal request for help.
> > >=20
> > >
> >
>
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Kendall=20
> > >=20
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > redundant!)
> > >=20
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the
> > > unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself.
>
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No you're not crazy. Case is a wonderful kid who has not been invited
to one class birthday party. I am concerned about kids being mean as
he gets older. His older brothers friends sometimes taunt him
already. The school is great on teaching respect of all people though
and many many kids shout hello to him as he walks around school. He
uses crutches now to keep him from falling.
Then we all have some disability and for some people it's being a
bully or as we sometimes whisper in our family about people we find
lacking - that person has two brain cells and one of them died.
At 09:05 PM 3/24/2006, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 3/23/2006 10:27:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
>Even if I do get a little
>loud sometimes I hope I can teach one person that people with
>disabilities deserve respect just like any other minority group.
>
>
>I can't believe what I'm reading in this group! Everyone, except my mother,
>even other people with disabilities have told me more or less to turn the
>other cheek. Bull, I say. Yes, people might wonder about
>my disability, but
>it's no more polite to stop me and make remarks about "why" or "how" or what
>ever than it is to do it to members of other minority group.
>
>I am trying to cool myself a little because who cares what strangers think,
>but I do see a lack of respect for people with disabilities and will
>never let
> that slide. I thought I was a little crazy, but now I see I'm not all
>alone.
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:10:35 -0600
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I stayed at Cornerstone this past Monday - Wednesday. Actuality , it was
nice. Yes, Mag, they do work on job skills.
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Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
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I think that none of us are saying that war is wrong, but we would love
actual facts before going in, and I think the UN was trying to get those
facts but Bush was too antsy to call war. He might say it was a difficult
decision to reach, bull sh-t.
And about Clinton lying, let's say if a friend was playing around on his
wife, I wouldn't broadcast it every night on the news.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell something
that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
look it up.
you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well as
all your derm senators and intelligence around the
world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
body lied, only "bush lied."
the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse not
a one of them knew that he did not have them and went
ahead and said he did.
get past the foolishness and get something
substantial to say.
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> perpetrated against the Kurds,
> and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> people.
>
> Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> Clinton lying about his
> affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> wmd is worse because
> after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> stories about why we are
> there.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [log in to unmask]
> Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> visit my Blog at;
> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> >
> > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> and his brother for, but
> > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> are we over there
> besides
> > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> the other hand, if I
> would
> > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> immediately as some
> would
> > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> my country has done.
> It's
> > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> somebody's carpet and it
> burns
> > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> carpet, no matter what.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Kendall David Corbett
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> they may (or may not,
> > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> but their lives may be
> > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> Hussein. =20
> >
> > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> argue that we in the US
> > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> eroded. It was said in the
> > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> wanted to destroy the
> > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> a start toward that,
> > IMHO.
> >
> > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> explicitly give member states
> > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> military action against
> > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> resolutions 678 and
> > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> respectively. =20
> >
> > My point is that the armed forces presently
> engaged as coalition
> > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> not formally
> > recognized as UN forces.
> >
> > Kendall=20
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> but,
> > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> then
> > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> nation
> > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> with a
> > few more did exactly that.=20
> > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> wrong
> > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> unless
> > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> they
> > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> to
> > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> than
> > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> pretty
> > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> saddam
> > or they were better off with him.=20
> >
> > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> intact!
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > >=20
> > > Anthony,
> > >=20
> > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> war
> > > in Iraq, and was
> > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> partner
> > > nations for the war,
> > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> Canada,
> > > and a few others that
> > > I can't recall right now.
> > >=20
> > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> Post
> > > from August of 2002
> > > that talks about members of the present
> President
> > > Bush's administration
> > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > Congressional approval for
> > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> approved
> > > the use of military
> > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > a formal request for help.
> > >=20
> > >
> >
>
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Kendall=20
> > >=20
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > redundant!)
> > >=20
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the
> > > unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself.
>
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Ken,
Bush did lie about something as important as whether or not to send
our citizens to die in foreign land. He was warned and did know there
were no WMD's. That evidence is pretty clear. I cannot understand how
you can defend that point.
Beyond that all the attacks on benefits for the disabled and the
rollbacks of hard won things people who suffer need are at the hands
of the Republicans. This is a mean spirited uncaring group who stole
2 elections. He didn't win in Ohio legally last time and he lost
Florida the first time.
I live and am renting to returned soldiers and I can tell you they
are wrecks and for what? OIL!! You cannot send out a 19 year old
sniper to kill people and have him get over 20 'hits' as they
euphemistically refer to killing people and not have emotional
problems. If you want to see a psychologist in the Army to help you
cope with this and what you have witnessed there then consider your
career dead.
One young man we rented to drove himself off a cliff 2 weeks after
his return. He was drunk as many of them are in order to stop the
feelings from coming out. This war casualty will not be counted by
the Bushites. The soldiers returning from Vietnam caused many social
problems and that will pale in the face of the social costs of this
war. Domestic violence will increase dramatically among soldiers and
many of them will not be able to recoup any sense of peace in their
lives. I am seeing this up close and personal more that I care
to. Even neocons are deserting him now.
At 07:49 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
>now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell something
>that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
>look it up.
> you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
>lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
>you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well as
>all your derm senators and intelligence around the
>world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
>body lied, only "bush lied."
> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse not
>a one of them knew that he did not have them and went
>ahead and said he did.
> get past the foolishness and get something
>substantial to say.
>
>--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> > people.
> >
> > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > Clinton lying about his
> > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> > wmd is worse because
> > after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> > stories about why we are
> > there.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Come visit my new store!
> > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > visit my Blog at;
> > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > war.
> > >
> > > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> > and his brother for, but
> > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> > are we over there
> > besides
> > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> > the other hand, if I
> > would
> > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> > immediately as some
> > would
> > > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> > my country has done.
> > It's
> > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > somebody's carpet and it
> > burns
> > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > carpet, no matter what.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> > they may (or may not,
> > > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> > but their lives may be
> > > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > Hussein. =20
> > >
> > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > argue that we in the US
> > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > eroded. It was said in the
> > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > wanted to destroy the
> > > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> > a start toward that,
> > > IMHO.
> > >
> > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > explicitly give member states
> > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > military action against
> > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > resolutions 678 and
> > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > respectively. =20
> > >
> > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > engaged as coalition
> > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> > not formally
> > > recognized as UN forces.
> > >
> > > Kendall=20
> > >
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> > >
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > >
> > > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> > but,
> > > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> > then
> > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > nation
> > > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> > with a
> > > few more did exactly that.=20
> > > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > wrong
> > > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > unless
> > > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > they
> > > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> > to
> > > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > than
> > > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > pretty
> > > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > saddam
> > > or they were better off with him.=20
> > >
> > > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> > intact!
> > > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >=20
> > > > Anthony,
> > > >=20
> > > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> > war
> > > > in Iraq, and was
> > > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> > partner
> > > > nations for the war,
> > > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> > Canada,
> > > > and a few others that
> > > > I can't recall right now.
> > > >=20
> > > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> > Post
> > > > from August of 2002
> > > > that talks about members of the present
> > President
> > > > Bush's administration
> > > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > > Congressional approval for
> > > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> > approved
> > > > the use of military
> > > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > > a formal request for help.
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > >
> >
>www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >=20
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > > redundant!)
> > > >=20
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the
> > > > unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> > himself.
> >
>=== message truncated ===
>
>
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Sending thousands to die in order to steal the worlds oil supply or
diddling a young woman who is not your wife are equivalent crimes......no way
We are going to run out of oil and we'd better start planning for
that. Every one of these returning soldiers buys the biggest gas hog
they can find. It disgusts me.
At 08:23 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
>I think that none of us are saying that war is wrong, but we would love
>actual facts before going in, and I think the UN was trying to get those
>facts but Bush was too antsy to call war. He might say it was a difficult
>decision to reach, bull sh-t.
>
>And about Clinton lying, let's say if a friend was playing around on his
>wife, I wouldn't broadcast it every night on the news.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>ken barber
>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
>now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell something
>that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
>look it up.
> you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
>lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
>you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well as
>all your derm senators and intelligence around the
>world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
>body lied, only "bush lied."
> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse not
>a one of them knew that he did not have them and went
>ahead and said he did.
> get past the foolishness and get something
>substantial to say.
>
>--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> > people.
> >
> > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > Clinton lying about his
> > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> > wmd is worse because
> > after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> > stories about why we are
> > there.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Come visit my new store!
> > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > visit my Blog at;
> > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > war.
> > >
> > > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> > and his brother for, but
> > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> > are we over there
> > besides
> > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> > the other hand, if I
> > would
> > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> > immediately as some
> > would
> > > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> > my country has done.
> > It's
> > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > somebody's carpet and it
> > burns
> > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > carpet, no matter what.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> > they may (or may not,
> > > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> > but their lives may be
> > > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > Hussein. =20
> > >
> > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > argue that we in the US
> > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > eroded. It was said in the
> > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > wanted to destroy the
> > > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> > a start toward that,
> > > IMHO.
> > >
> > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > explicitly give member states
> > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > military action against
> > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > resolutions 678 and
> > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > respectively. =20
> > >
> > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > engaged as coalition
> > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> > not formally
> > > recognized as UN forces.
> > >
> > > Kendall=20
> > >
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> > >
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > >
> > > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> > but,
> > > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> > then
> > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > nation
> > > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> > with a
> > > few more did exactly that.=20
> > > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > wrong
> > > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > unless
> > > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > they
> > > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> > to
> > > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > than
> > > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > pretty
> > > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > saddam
> > > or they were better off with him.=20
> > >
> > > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> > intact!
> > > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >=20
> > > > Anthony,
> > > >=20
> > > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> > war
> > > > in Iraq, and was
> > > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> > partner
> > > > nations for the war,
> > > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> > Canada,
> > > > and a few others that
> > > > I can't recall right now.
> > > >=20
> > > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> > Post
> > > > from August of 2002
> > > > that talks about members of the present
> > President
> > > > Bush's administration
> > > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > > Congressional approval for
> > > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> > approved
> > > > the use of military
> > > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > > a formal request for help.
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > >
> >
>www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >=20
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > > redundant!)
> > > >=20
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the
> > > > unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> > himself.
> >
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>
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SINCE 1964, WASHINGTON'S MOST UNOFFICIAL SOURCE
THINGS TO DO
IN THE BAD TIMES
by Sam Smith
GETTING THROUGH THE BAD TIMES
this is part of this lengthy article
DON'T LET THE RIGHT REWRITE HISTORY
Since well over half of the country haven't ever seen
a liberal president in office, and since the media has
generally bought the GOP line on progressive politics
it is important to remember what life would be like if
it hadn't been for liberals in the White House.
People who complain about liberals are like the man
from Virginia who went to college on the GI Bill and
bought his first house with a VA loan. When a
hurricane struck he got federal disaster aid. When he
got sick he was treated at a veteran's hospital. When
he was laid off he received unemployment insurance and
then got a SBA loan to start his own business. His
bank funds were protected under federal deposit
insurance laws. Now he's retired and on social
security and Medicare. The other day he got into his
car, drove the federal interstate to the railroad
station, took Amtrak to Washington and went to Capitol
Hill to ask his congressman to get the government off
his back.
Here are a just a few of the things America would be
without were it not for liberals in the White House:
- Regulation of banks and stock brokerage firms
cheating their customers
- Protection of your bank account
- Social Security
- A minimum wage
- Legal alcohol
- Regulation of the stock exchanges
- Right of labor to bargain with employers
- Soil Conservation Service and other early
environmental programs
- National parks and monuments such as Death Valley,
Blue Ridge, Everglades, Boulder Dam, Bull Run,
Chesapeake and Ohio Canal, Mount Rushmore, Jackson
Hole, Grand Teton, Cape Cod, Fire Island, and San Juan
Islands just to name a few.
- Tennessee Valley Authority
- Rural electrification
- College educations for innumerable veterans
- Housing loans for innumerable veterans
- FHA housing loans
- The bulk of hospital beds in the country
- Unemployment insurance
- Small Business Administration
- National Endowment for the Arts
- Medicare
- Peace Corps
ROBERT S. MCELVAINE, HISTORY NEWS NETWORK - There are
certain things that everyone knows. The rich get
richer faster during Republican administrations. Such
self-evident "facts" are accepted without reference to
evidence. Yet there is evidence available against
which to test the belief, which most rich people seem
to accept as an article of faith, that Republican
administrations are better for the rich.
United States Census Bureau data on mean household
income from the beginning of the Nixon Administration
through 2002 (the last year for which these data are
currently available) show that this almost universally
held belief is simply, almost spectacularly, wrong.
During that period, Republicans held the White House
for 22 years and Democrats for 12 years. In constant
2002 dollars, the average annual gain in income by the
richest five percent of American households under
Republicans (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and the two Bushes)
was $1706. Under Democrats (Carter and Clinton), the
richest five percent saw their income rise by an
annual average of $6,921.
The startling bottom line is that over the last
three-plus decades the income of the richest Americans
has risen at a rate four times faster under Democrats
than under Republicans.
Above that bottom line are other findings that should
be sobering to wealthy Americans intoxicated by the
ideology and tax cuts preached and practiced by
Republicans. A few examples:
- All of the comparatively small cumulative gain in
income by the rich under Republicans came during the
Reagan years. Under the other four Republican
administrations since 1969, the richest five percent
of households lost an average of $444 per year.
In nine of the last 34 years, the income of the
richest five percent declined. Eight of those nine
years of loss for the rich came when a Republican was
in the White House. The only year under a Democrat in
which the richest Americans did not gain was the last
year of Jimmy Carter's presidency, 1980.
- In the eight years under Clinton, the richest five
percent gained an annual average of $10,241; in the
six years so far calculated under the Bushes, the rich
lost an annual average of $1999. It is true that the
rich fared well during the Reagan years: an average
annual gain of 3.6 percent with his huge tax cuts and
massive deficits. Yet under Clinton, with his tax
increase on upper income people (which Republicans
insisted would cause economic ruin and against which
every Republican in Congress voted) and ultimate
balancing of the budget, the mean income of the rich
increased at the significantly faster annual rate of
4.9 percent.
- A similar story emerges from a look at the stock
market, usually seen as another benchmark of how the
rich are faring. During the same administrations, from
Nixon to the second Bush, the Dow has gained an annual
average of 7.1 percent under Republican
administrations and 11.1 percent under Democrats.
At 07:49 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
>now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell something
>that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
>look it up.
> you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
>lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
>you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well as
>all your derm senators and intelligence around the
>world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
>body lied, only "bush lied."
> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse not
>a one of them knew that he did not have them and went
>ahead and said he did.
> get past the foolishness and get something
>substantial to say.
>
>--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> > people.
> >
> > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > Clinton lying about his
> > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> > wmd is worse because
> > after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> > stories about why we are
> > there.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Come visit my new store!
> > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > visit my Blog at;
> > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > war.
> > >
> > > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> > and his brother for, but
> > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> > are we over there
> > besides
> > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> > the other hand, if I
> > would
> > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> > immediately as some
> > would
> > > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> > my country has done.
> > It's
> > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > somebody's carpet and it
> > burns
> > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > carpet, no matter what.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> > they may (or may not,
> > > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> > but their lives may be
> > > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > Hussein. =20
> > >
> > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > argue that we in the US
> > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > eroded. It was said in the
> > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > wanted to destroy the
> > > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> > a start toward that,
> > > IMHO.
> > >
> > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > explicitly give member states
> > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > military action against
> > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > resolutions 678 and
> > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > respectively. =20
> > >
> > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > engaged as coalition
> > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> > not formally
> > > recognized as UN forces.
> > >
> > > Kendall=20
> > >
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> > >
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > >
> > > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> > but,
> > > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> > then
> > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > nation
> > > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> > with a
> > > few more did exactly that.=20
> > > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > wrong
> > > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > unless
> > > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > they
> > > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> > to
> > > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > than
> > > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > pretty
> > > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > saddam
> > > or they were better off with him.=20
> > >
> > > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> > intact!
> > > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >=20
> > > > Anthony,
> > > >=20
> > > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> > war
> > > > in Iraq, and was
> > > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> > partner
> > > > nations for the war,
> > > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> > Canada,
> > > > and a few others that
> > > > I can't recall right now.
> > > >=20
> > > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> > Post
> > > > from August of 2002
> > > > that talks about members of the present
> > President
> > > > Bush's administration
> > > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > > Congressional approval for
> > > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> > approved
> > > > the use of military
> > > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > > a formal request for help.
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > >
> >
>www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >=20
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > > redundant!)
> > > >=20
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the
> > > > unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> > himself.
> >
>=== message truncated ===
>
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:52:42 -0800
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i was looking at this and i am sorry that it came off
so harshly, that was not my intention. my point is
that nobody lied about wmd. lots of people were
mistaken maybe, but, nobody lied.
this is an emotional statement judt like saying
"haliburtin" or "war for oil." it may produce a
emotional release, but, is basically devoid of facts.
when i hear "war for oil", i'd like to know how much
oil we get from iraq. fact is that we get very little
so if it is a "war for oil" why are we not getting it?
i appolgise again openly to mag, for being so harsh
in this post. mag, you know i love you.
now, i got to get back to my saturday chores.
--- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> something
> that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> look it up.
> you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
> lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
> you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well
> as
> all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> body lied, only "bush lied."
> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse
> not
> a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> went
> ahead and said he did.
> get past the foolishness and get something
> substantial to say.
>
> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> > people.
> >
> > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > Clinton lying about his
> > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> > wmd is worse because
> > after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> > stories about why we are
> > there.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Come visit my new store!
> > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > visit my Blog at;
> > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > war.
> > >
> > > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> > and his brother for, but
> > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> why
> > are we over there
> > besides
> > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> > the other hand, if I
> > would
> > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull
> out
> > immediately as some
> > would
> > > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> > my country has done.
> > It's
> > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > somebody's carpet and it
> > burns
> > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > carpet, no matter what.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> call;
> > they may (or may not,
> > > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> > but their lives may be
> > > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > Hussein. =20
> > >
> > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > argue that we in the US
> > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > eroded. It was said in the
> > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > wanted to destroy the
> > > American (read US) way of life, and they have
> made
> > a start toward that,
> > > IMHO.
> > >
> > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > explicitly give member states
> > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > military action against
> > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > resolutions 678 and
> > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > respectively. =20
> > >
> > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > engaged as coalition
> > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> are
> > not formally
> > > recognized as UN forces.
> > >
> > > Kendall=20
> > >
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> > >
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > >
> > > actually resolution 1441 passed without
> desent,
> > but,
> > > then when it got time to actually follow
> through,
> > then
> > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled
> and
> > > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > nation
> > > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> > with a
> > > few more did exactly that.=20
> > > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > wrong
> > > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > unless
> > > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > they
> > > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him.
> i'd
> > > guess some of you have heard nothing about him
> up
> > to
> > > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > than
> > > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > pretty
> > > well tell you if the war is right or wrong.
> don't
> > > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > saddam
> > > or they were better off with him.=20
> > >
> > > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> > intact!
> > > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >=20
> > > > Anthony,
> > > >=20
> > > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for
> the
> > war
> > > > in Iraq, and was
> > > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> > partner
> > > > nations for the war,
> > > > which included the US, England, Australia,
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:06:15 -0500
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From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
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We're not getting oil from Iraq because the oil wells keep getting
set on fire,
and it's become too expensive to transport. Things are so unstable
over there
I find it difficult to believe how anyone other than a private
security firm
can make any profits.
Kat
On 25 Mar 2006, at 14:52, ken barber wrote:
> i was looking at this and i am sorry that it came off
> so harshly, that was not my intention. my point is
> that nobody lied about wmd. lots of people were
> mistaken maybe, but, nobody lied.
> this is an emotional statement judt like saying
> "haliburtin" or "war for oil." it may produce a
> emotional release, but, is basically devoid of facts.
> when i hear "war for oil", i'd like to know how much
> oil we get from iraq. fact is that we get very little
> so if it is a "war for oil" why are we not getting it?
>
> i appolgise again openly to mag, for being so harsh
> in this post. mag, you know i love you.
> now, i got to get back to my saturday chores.
>
> --- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
>> something
>> that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
>> look it up.
>> you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
>> lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
>> you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well
>> as
>> all your derm senators and intelligence around the
>> world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
>> body lied, only "bush lied."
>> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse
>> not
>> a one of them knew that he did not have them and
>> went
>> ahead and said he did.
>> get past the foolishness and get something
>> substantial to say.
>>
>> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
>>> perpetrated against the Kurds,
>>> and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
>>> Clinton lying about his
>>> affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
>>> wmd is worse because
>>> after they found no wmd, he made up several other
>>> stories about why we are
>>> there.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> Come visit my new store!
>>> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
>>> visit my Blog at;
>>> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>> [Original Message]
>>>> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
>>> war.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
>>> and his brother for, but
>>>> they had no involvement in September 11th, so
>> why
>>> are we over there
>>> besides
>>>> to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
>>> the other hand, if I
>>> would
>>>> become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull
>> out
>>> immediately as some
>>> would
>>>> like to see, I would personally like to fix what
>>> my country has done.
>>> It's
>>>> like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
>>> somebody's carpet and it
>>> burns
>>>> a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
>>> carpet, no matter what.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Anthony
>>>> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>> Kendall David Corbett
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
>> war.
>>>>
>>>> Ken,
>>>>
>>>> Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
>> call;
>>> they may (or may not,
>>>> some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
>>> but their lives may be
>>>> in greater immediate danger than they were under
>>> Hussein. =20
>>>>
>>>> On the opposite side of that coin, many would
>>> argue that we in the US
>>>> are safer, but have had our civil liberties
>>> eroded. It was said in the
>>>> immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
>>> wanted to destroy the
>>>> American (read US) way of life, and they have
>> made
>>> a start toward that,
>>>> IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
>>> explicitly give member states
>>>> of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
>>> military action against
>>>> Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
>>> resolutions 678 and
>>>> 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
>>> respectively. =20
>>>>
>>>> My point is that the armed forces presently
>>> engaged as coalition
>>>> partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
>> are
>>> not formally
>>>> recognized as UN forces.
>>>>
>>>> Kendall=20
>>>>
>>>> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
>>> redundant!)
>>>>
>>>> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
>>> the unreasonable one
>>>> persists in trying to adapt the world to
>> himself.
>>> Therefore, all
>>>> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>>>>
>>>> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
>> war.
>>>>
>>>> actually resolution 1441 passed without
>> desent,
>>> but,
>>>> then when it got time to actually follow
>> through,
>>> then
>>>> the germans, french, and russians backpeddled
>> and
>>>> would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
>>> nation
>>>> the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
>>> with a
>>>> few more did exactly that.=20
>>>> it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
>>> wrong
>>>> on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
>>> unless
>>>> you believe that ranking iragi general that says
>>> they
>>>> flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him.
>> i'd
>>>> guess some of you have heard nothing about him
>> up
>>> to
>>>> just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
>>>> question. do you think iragis are better off now
>>> than
>>>> before the invasion? your honest answer should
>>> pretty
>>>> well tell you if the war is right or wrong.
>> don't
>>>> wealsel out, they are either better off without
>>> saddam
>>>> or they were better off with him.=20
>>>>
>>>> --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let me send this again, so the link stays
>>> intact!
>>>>> =20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Kendall David Corbett
>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: dental question
>>>>> =20
>>>>> Anthony,
>>>>> =20
>>>>> President Bush tried to get UN approval for
>> the
>>> war
>>>>> in Iraq, and was
>>>>> turned down. He then formed a coalition of
>>> partner
>>>>> nations for the war,
>>>>> which included the US, England, Australia,
>>
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Just food for thought, we have already spent hundreds of billions just on
our mission of steeling oil, and are sending troops who are serving to pay
for college, how about using the money to fund their college instead of
having them help in the steeling process, in hopes they'll use their
education to develop better energy sources. I would honestly think this
would be a win-win situation for everybody. Of course, Iraq needs new
schools and hospitals, I could name several cities in the states with the
similar need, and they're overlooked.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Linda Walker
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
Sending thousands to die in order to steal the worlds oil supply or
diddling a young woman who is not your wife are equivalent crimes......no
way
We are going to run out of oil and we'd better start planning for
that. Every one of these returning soldiers buys the biggest gas hog
they can find. It disgusts me.
At 08:23 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
>I think that none of us are saying that war is wrong, but we would love
>actual facts before going in, and I think the UN was trying to get those
>facts but Bush was too antsy to call war. He might say it was a difficult
>decision to reach, bull sh-t.
>
>And about Clinton lying, let's say if a friend was playing around on his
>wife, I wouldn't broadcast it every night on the news.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>ken barber
>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
>now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell something
>that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
>look it up.
> you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
>lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
>you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well as
>all your derm senators and intelligence around the
>world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
>body lied, only "bush lied."
> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse not
>a one of them knew that he did not have them and went
>ahead and said he did.
> get past the foolishness and get something
>substantial to say.
>
>--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> > people.
> >
> > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > Clinton lying about his
> > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> > wmd is worse because
> > after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> > stories about why we are
> > there.
> >
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> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > war.
> > >
> > > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> > and his brother for, but
> > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> > are we over there
> > besides
> > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> > the other hand, if I
> > would
> > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> > immediately as some
> > would
> > > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> > my country has done.
> > It's
> > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > somebody's carpet and it
> > burns
> > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > carpet, no matter what.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> > they may (or may not,
> > > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> > but their lives may be
> > > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > Hussein. =20
> > >
> > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > argue that we in the US
> > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > eroded. It was said in the
> > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > wanted to destroy the
> > > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> > a start toward that,
> > > IMHO.
> > >
> > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > explicitly give member states
> > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > military action against
> > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > resolutions 678 and
> > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > respectively. =20
> > >
> > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > engaged as coalition
> > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> > not formally
> > > recognized as UN forces.
> > >
> > > Kendall=20
> > >
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> > >
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > >
> > > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> > but,
> > > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> > then
> > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > nation
> > > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> > with a
> > > few more did exactly that.=20
> > > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > wrong
> > > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > unless
> > > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > they
> > > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> > to
> > > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > than
> > > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > pretty
> > > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > saddam
> > > or they were better off with him.=20
> > >
> > > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> > intact!
> > > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > >=20
> > > > Anthony,
> > > >=20
> > > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> > war
> > > > in Iraq, and was
> > > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> > partner
> > > > nations for the war,
> > > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> > Canada,
> > > > and a few others that
> > > > I can't recall right now.
> > > >=20
> > > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> > Post
> > > > from August of 2002
> > > > that talks about members of the present
> > President
> > > > Bush's administration
> > > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > > Congressional approval for
> > > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> > approved
> > > > the use of military
> > > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > > a formal request for help.
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > >
> >
>www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >=20
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > > redundant!)
> > > >=20
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the
> > > > unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> > himself.
> >
>=== message truncated ===
>
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:41:22 -0800
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From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
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Dear Ken,
It seems I misspoke about "lie" of wmd, but when they were not found, we
were told at least two other stories about why we remain there. Just as I
doubt there will be peace between Israel and the Palestinians, (and it's
been on for 5,000 plus years) I doubt there can be peace between all the
different groups in Iraq. It's a shame that we have killed so many Iraqis,
but i truly believe that it's the Iraqis themselves who must decide whether
they want to become a democracy. It's not something that can be forced. The
thing that i hate about Americans as linda describes so well, is how we
abandon those who do come home damaged from the war. We turn our backs on
these boys and girls, and so When I see or hear "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" I'm
like, yeah right, as long as they're over there, we support them, but as
soon as they return with physical and emotional problems, we turn our backs
on them. It's the vets who are homeless, the vets that have psychriatric
problems, the vets who become disabled. and we throw them on the streets
and tell them, tough luck, guys.
Mag
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> [Original Message]
> From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/25/2006 10:57:36 AM
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> Ken,
>
> Bush did lie about something as important as whether or not to send
> our citizens to die in foreign land. He was warned and did know there
> were no WMD's. That evidence is pretty clear. I cannot understand how
> you can defend that point.
> Beyond that all the attacks on benefits for the disabled and the
> rollbacks of hard won things people who suffer need are at the hands
> of the Republicans. This is a mean spirited uncaring group who stole
> 2 elections. He didn't win in Ohio legally last time and he lost
> Florida the first time.
> I live and am renting to returned soldiers and I can tell you they
> are wrecks and for what? OIL!! You cannot send out a 19 year old
> sniper to kill people and have him get over 20 'hits' as they
> euphemistically refer to killing people and not have emotional
> problems. If you want to see a psychologist in the Army to help you
> cope with this and what you have witnessed there then consider your
> career dead.
> One young man we rented to drove himself off a cliff 2 weeks after
> his return. He was drunk as many of them are in order to stop the
> feelings from coming out. This war casualty will not be counted by
> the Bushites. The soldiers returning from Vietnam caused many social
> problems and that will pale in the face of the social costs of this
> war. Domestic violence will increase dramatically among soldiers and
> many of them will not be able to recoup any sense of peace in their
> lives. I am seeing this up close and personal more that I care
> to. Even neocons are deserting him now.
>
> At 07:49 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> >now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell something
> >that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> >look it up.
> > you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
> >lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
> >you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well as
> >all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> >world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> >body lied, only "bush lied."
> > the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse not
> >a one of them knew that he did not have them and went
> >ahead and said he did.
> > get past the foolishness and get something
> >substantial to say.
> >
> >--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > > Clinton lying about his
> > > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> > > wmd is worse because
> > > after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> > > stories about why we are
> > > there.
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > Come visit my new store!
> > > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > > visit my Blog at;
> > > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > > war.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> > > and his brother for, but
> > > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> > > are we over there
> > > besides
> > > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> > > the other hand, if I
> > > would
> > > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> > > immediately as some
> > > would
> > > > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> > > my country has done.
> > > It's
> > > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > > somebody's carpet and it
> > > burns
> > > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > > carpet, no matter what.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > > >
> > > > Ken,
> > > >
> > > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> > > they may (or may not,
> > > > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> > > but their lives may be
> > > > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > > Hussein. =20
> > > >
> > > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > > argue that we in the US
> > > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > > eroded. It was said in the
> > > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > > wanted to destroy the
> > > > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> > > a start toward that,
> > > > IMHO.
> > > >
> > > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > > explicitly give member states
> > > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > > military action against
> > > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > > resolutions 678 and
> > > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > > respectively. =20
> > > >
> > > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > > engaged as coalition
> > > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> > > not formally
> > > > recognized as UN forces.
> > > >
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > redundant!)
> > > >
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > > the unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > > Therefore, all
> > > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > > >
> > > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > > >
> > > > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> > > but,
> > > > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> > > then
> > > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > > > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > > nation
> > > > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> > > with a
> > > > few more did exactly that.=20
> > > > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > > wrong
> > > > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > > unless
> > > > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > > they
> > > > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > > > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> > > to
> > > > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > > > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > > than
> > > > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > > pretty
> > > > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > > > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > > saddam
> > > > or they were better off with him.=20
> > > >
> > > > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> > > intact!
> > > > >=20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Anthony,
> > > > >=20
> > > > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> > > war
> > > > > in Iraq, and was
> > > > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> > > partner
> > > > > nations for the war,
> > > > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> > > Canada,
> > > > > and a few others that
> > > > > I can't recall right now.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> > > Post
> > > > > from August of 2002
> > > > > that talks about members of the present
> > > President
> > > > > Bush's administration
> > > > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > > > Congressional approval for
> > > > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> > > approved
> > > > > the use of military
> > > > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > > > a formal request for help.
> > > > >=20
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Kendall=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > > > redundant!)
> > > > >=20
> > > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > > the
> > > > > unreasonable one
> > > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> > > himself.
> > >
> >=== message truncated ===
> >
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:04:26 -0800
Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
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It hurt my feelings when as a kid, I was not invited to a single birthday
party with girls who were in my girl scout troop. My mom threw me a
surprise party when I was 9, and invited all the girls in my troop. I don't
recall going to a single party. After a while I just pretended nobody had
birthday parties.
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> [Original Message]
> From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/25/2006 7:51:07 AM
> Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
>
> No you're not crazy. Case is a wonderful kid who has not been invited
> to one class birthday party. I am concerned about kids being mean as
> he gets older. His older brothers friends sometimes taunt him
> already. The school is great on teaching respect of all people though
> and many many kids shout hello to him as he walks around school. He
> uses crutches now to keep him from falling.
> Then we all have some disability and for some people it's being a
> bully or as we sometimes whisper in our family about people we find
> lacking - that person has two brain cells and one of them died.
>
>
> At 09:05 PM 3/24/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >In a message dated 3/23/2006 10:27:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >Even if I do get a little
> >loud sometimes I hope I can teach one person that people with
> >disabilities deserve respect just like any other minority group.
> >
> >
> >I can't believe what I'm reading in this group! Everyone, except my
mother,
> >even other people with disabilities have told me more or less to turn
the
> >other cheek. Bull, I say. Yes, people might wonder about
> >my disability, but
> >it's no more polite to stop me and make remarks about "why" or "how" or
what
> >ever than it is to do it to members of other minority group.
> >
> >I am trying to cool myself a little because who cares what strangers
think,
> >but I do see a lack of respect for people with disabilities and will
> >never let
> > that slide. I thought I was a little crazy, but now I see I'm not all
> >alone.
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:23:59 -0800
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From: Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
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Kathy Jo,
What do you think? Do you want to work? What type of work would be
interesting for you?
Mag
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/25/2006 8:10:38 AM
> Subject: Cornerstone
>
> I stayed at Cornerstone this past Monday - Wednesday. Actuality , it was
> nice. Yes, Mag, they do work on job skills.
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:41:27 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
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I experienced the similar thing as a child, I wasn't asked to attend
birthday parties or sleepovers, but we must understand that nobody had
wheelchair accessible houses to accommodate me. Most of my friends and
their parents were very acceptable of me, and I think some felt bad that
their houses weren't very accessible to me, but that's just a fact of life
even tho it stinks. But if we were outside, and a parent decided to hand
out treats, I was always included and sometimes they would assist in feeding
me.
That is one thing about inclusion, sure it was designed to mandate the
inclusion of children with special needs in school, but it's also benefiting
the regular ed kids who are going to be our doctors, teachers and employers
tomorrow, and are going to remember that little Anthony Arnold was in their
4th grade class and they had a positive experience, so odds are they might
be more interested in hiring that gal with cerebral palsy at their business.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Magenta Raine
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 4:04 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
It hurt my feelings when as a kid, I was not invited to a single birthday
party with girls who were in my girl scout troop. My mom threw me a
surprise party when I was 9, and invited all the girls in my troop. I don't
recall going to a single party. After a while I just pretended nobody had
birthday parties.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Come visit my new store! http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
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> [Original Message]
> From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/25/2006 7:51:07 AM
> Subject: Re: was The incident with Case now is "shaky"
>
> No you're not crazy. Case is a wonderful kid who has not been invited
> to one class birthday party. I am concerned about kids being mean as
> he gets older. His older brothers friends sometimes taunt him
> already. The school is great on teaching respect of all people though
> and many many kids shout hello to him as he walks around school. He
> uses crutches now to keep him from falling.
> Then we all have some disability and for some people it's being a
> bully or as we sometimes whisper in our family about people we find
> lacking - that person has two brain cells and one of them died.
>
>
> At 09:05 PM 3/24/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >In a message dated 3/23/2006 10:27:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >Even if I do get a little
> >loud sometimes I hope I can teach one person that people with
> >disabilities deserve respect just like any other minority group.
> >
> >
> >I can't believe what I'm reading in this group! Everyone, except my
mother,
> >even other people with disabilities have told me more or less to turn
the
> >other cheek. Bull, I say. Yes, people might wonder about
> >my disability, but
> >it's no more polite to stop me and make remarks about "why" or "how" or
what
> >ever than it is to do it to members of other minority group.
> >
> >I am trying to cool myself a little because who cares what strangers
think,
> >but I do see a lack of respect for people with disabilities and will
> >never let
> > that slide. I thought I was a little crazy, but now I see I'm not all
> >alone.
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:53:49 -0800
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Actually according to some observers the oil wells are being
protected. We expect Iraq to pay for our military assault or as some
think our effort to democratize them with their oil. We are building
bases there to invade Iran next.
As a people we cannot afford to continue to do this to other countries.
At 12:06 PM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
>We're not getting oil from Iraq because the oil wells keep getting
>set on fire,
>and it's become too expensive to transport. Things are so unstable
>over there
>I find it difficult to believe how anyone other than a private
>security firm
>can make any profits.
>
>Kat
>
>
>On 25 Mar 2006, at 14:52, ken barber wrote:
>
> > i was looking at this and i am sorry that it came off
> > so harshly, that was not my intention. my point is
> > that nobody lied about wmd. lots of people were
> > mistaken maybe, but, nobody lied.
> > this is an emotional statement judt like saying
> > "haliburtin" or "war for oil." it may produce a
> > emotional release, but, is basically devoid of facts.
> > when i hear "war for oil", i'd like to know how much
> > oil we get from iraq. fact is that we get very little
> > so if it is a "war for oil" why are we not getting it?
> >
> > i appolgise again openly to mag, for being so harsh
> > in this post. mag, you know i love you.
> > now, i got to get back to my saturday chores.
> >
> > --- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> >> something
> >> that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> >> look it up.
> >> you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
> >> lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
> >> you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well
> >> as
> >> all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> >> world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> >> body lied, only "bush lied."
> >> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse
> >> not
> >> a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> >> went
> >> ahead and said he did.
> >> get past the foolishness and get something
> >> substantial to say.
> >>
> >> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> >>> perpetrated against the Kurds,
> >>> and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> >>> people.
> >>>
> >>> Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> >>> Clinton lying about his
> >>> affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> >>> wmd is worse because
> >>> after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> >>> stories about why we are
> >>> there.
> >>>
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>> Come visit my new store!
> >>> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> >>> visit my Blog at;
> >>> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> [Original Message]
> >>>> From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> >>> war.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> >>> and his brother for, but
> >>>> they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> >> why
> >>> are we over there
> >>> besides
> >>>> to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> >>> the other hand, if I
> >>> would
> >>>> become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull
> >> out
> >>> immediately as some
> >>> would
> >>>> like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> >>> my country has done.
> >>> It's
> >>>> like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> >>> somebody's carpet and it
> >>> burns
> >>>> a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> >>> carpet, no matter what.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Anthony
> >>>> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Kendall David Corbett
> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> >> war.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken,
> >>>>
> >>>> Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> >> call;
> >>> they may (or may not,
> >>>> some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> >>> but their lives may be
> >>>> in greater immediate danger than they were under
> >>> Hussein. =20
> >>>>
> >>>> On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> >>> argue that we in the US
> >>>> are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> >>> eroded. It was said in the
> >>>> immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> >>> wanted to destroy the
> >>>> American (read US) way of life, and they have
> >> made
> >>> a start toward that,
> >>>> IMHO.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> >>> explicitly give member states
> >>>> of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> >>> military action against
> >>>> Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> >>> resolutions 678 and
> >>>> 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> >>> respectively. =20
> >>>>
> >>>> My point is that the armed forces presently
> >>> engaged as coalition
> >>>> partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> >> are
> >>> not formally
> >>>> recognized as UN forces.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kendall=20
> >>>>
> >>>> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> >>> redundant!)
> >>>>
> >>>> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> >>> the unreasonable one
> >>>> persists in trying to adapt the world to
> >> himself.
> >>> Therefore, all
> >>>> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >>>>
> >>>> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> >> war.
> >>>>
> >>>> actually resolution 1441 passed without
> >> desent,
> >>> but,
> >>>> then when it got time to actually follow
> >> through,
> >>> then
> >>>> the germans, french, and russians backpeddled
> >> and
> >>>> would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> >>> nation
> >>>> the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> >>> with a
> >>>> few more did exactly that.=20
> >>>> it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> >>> wrong
> >>>> on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> >>> unless
> >>>> you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> >>> they
> >>>> flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him.
> >> i'd
> >>>> guess some of you have heard nothing about him
> >> up
> >>> to
> >>>> just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> >>>> question. do you think iragis are better off now
> >>> than
> >>>> before the invasion? your honest answer should
> >>> pretty
> >>>> well tell you if the war is right or wrong.
> >> don't
> >>>> wealsel out, they are either better off without
> >>> saddam
> >>>> or they were better off with him.=20
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Let me send this again, so the link stays
> >>> intact!
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Kendall David Corbett
> >>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> >>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>> Subject: Re: dental question
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> Anthony,
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>> President Bush tried to get UN approval for
> >> the
> >>> war
> >>>>> in Iraq, and was
> >>>>> turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> >>> partner
> >>>>> nations for the war,
> >>>>> which included the US, England, Australia,
> >>
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:03:51 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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Exactly right! Our railroads are incredibly substandard. Our bridges
and dams were built during FDR's terms and are not only aging but
many are about to burst. Our own infrastructure is failing. ln a
state, CA, where the roads used to be fabulous I regularly hit
potholes large enough to blow out tires. The public city school my
daughter taught in was so filthy I had to go in and clean the
classroom myself. She called me, "Mom bring your cleaning supplies
and come down here, you won't believe it." No money for janitors,
just bombs. There is asbestos in the ceilings, the windows don't
open. Our priorities are very mixed up. Countries that don't have oil
can commit as many atrocities as they like on their citizens and we
are ho hum. If Americans don't wake up soon and support a
progressive peaceful agenda, the Reeps will successfully bring on
Armageddon. Oh Cr** I better shut up and get back to work.
At 01:13 PM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
>Just food for thought, we have already spent hundreds of billions just on
>our mission of steeling oil, and are sending troops who are serving to pay
>for college, how about using the money to fund their college instead of
>having them help in the steeling process, in hopes they'll use their
>education to develop better energy sources. I would honestly think this
>would be a win-win situation for everybody. Of course, Iraq needs new
>schools and hospitals, I could name several cities in the states with the
>similar need, and they're overlooked.
>
>Thanks,
>Anthony
>Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Linda Walker
>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:29 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
>Sending thousands to die in order to steal the worlds oil supply or
>diddling a young woman who is not your wife are equivalent crimes......no
>way
>We are going to run out of oil and we'd better start planning for
>that. Every one of these returning soldiers buys the biggest gas hog
>they can find. It disgusts me.
>
>At 08:23 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> >I think that none of us are saying that war is wrong, but we would love
> >actual facts before going in, and I think the UN was trying to get those
> >facts but Bush was too antsy to call war. He might say it was a difficult
> >decision to reach, bull sh-t.
> >
> >And about Clinton lying, let's say if a friend was playing around on his
> >wife, I wouldn't broadcast it every night on the news.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >ken barber
> >Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> >now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell something
> >that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> >look it up.
> > you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
> >lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
> >you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well as
> >all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> >world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> >body lied, only "bush lied."
> > the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse not
> >a one of them knew that he did not have them and went
> >ahead and said he did.
> > get past the foolishness and get something
> >substantial to say.
> >
> >--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > > Clinton lying about his
> > > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> > > wmd is worse because
> > > after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> > > stories about why we are
> > > there.
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > Come visit my new store!
> > > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > > visit my Blog at;
> > > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > > war.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> > > and his brother for, but
> > > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so why
> > > are we over there
> > > besides
> > > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> > > the other hand, if I
> > > would
> > > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull out
> > > immediately as some
> > > would
> > > > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> > > my country has done.
> > > It's
> > > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > > somebody's carpet and it
> > > burns
> > > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > > carpet, no matter what.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > > >
> > > > Ken,
> > > >
> > > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough call;
> > > they may (or may not,
> > > > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> > > but their lives may be
> > > > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > > Hussein. =20
> > > >
> > > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > > argue that we in the US
> > > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > > eroded. It was said in the
> > > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > > wanted to destroy the
> > > > American (read US) way of life, and they have made
> > > a start toward that,
> > > > IMHO.
> > > >
> > > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > > explicitly give member states
> > > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > > military action against
> > > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > > resolutions 678 and
> > > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > > respectively. =20
> > > >
> > > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > > engaged as coalition
> > > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such are
> > > not formally
> > > > recognized as UN forces.
> > > >
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > redundant!)
> > > >
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > > the unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > > Therefore, all
> > > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > > >
> > > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> > > >
> > > > actually resolution 1441 passed without desent,
> > > but,
> > > > then when it got time to actually follow through,
> > > then
> > > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled and
> > > > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > > nation
> > > > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> > > with a
> > > > few more did exactly that.=20
> > > > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > > wrong
> > > > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > > unless
> > > > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > > they
> > > > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him. i'd
> > > > guess some of you have heard nothing about him up
> > > to
> > > > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > > > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > > than
> > > > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > > pretty
> > > > well tell you if the war is right or wrong. don't
> > > > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > > saddam
> > > > or they were better off with him.=20
> > > >
> > > > --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Let me send this again, so the link stays
> > > intact!
> > > > >=20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Kendall David Corbett
> > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: dental question
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Anthony,
> > > > >=20
> > > > > President Bush tried to get UN approval for the
> > > war
> > > > > in Iraq, and was
> > > > > turned down. He then formed a coalition of
> > > partner
> > > > > nations for the war,
> > > > > which included the US, England, Australia,
> > > Canada,
> > > > > and a few others that
> > > > > I can't recall right now.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > This is a link to an article in the Washington
> > > Post
> > > > > from August of 2002
> > > > > that talks about members of the present
> > > President
> > > > > Bush's administration
> > > > > saying that the President didn't even need
> > > > > Congressional approval for
> > > > > the present Iraq war, since Congress had
> > > approved
> > > > > the use of military
> > > > > force in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the
> > > > > Kuwaiti government made
> > > > > a formal request for help.
> > > > >=20
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61040-2002Aug25?language=3Dprinter
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Kendall=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > > > redundant!)
> > > > >=20
> > > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > > the
> > > > > unreasonable one
> > > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> > > himself.
> > >
> >=== message truncated ===
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:09:19 -0800
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there was 14 resolutions over a 12 year time period.
we know now or think we do that saddam was bluffing on
the wmd and maybe he had not reconstituted it. but,
back then every majoy intelligence anency and most of
the not so major ones thought he had it. documents
declassfied just a couple of weeks ago showed a memo
of understanding between saddam and ubl to train
terrorist. let us say that we gave him 6 more months.
and he had them as everyone thought. and he passed
them off and they got used in baltimore. what would
have been the critisism of bush in that case. would it
not have bbeen "why the hell did he give them time?"
yews it would have been. given that they thought they
had it and had shown he would use it, i can not fault
the president for asking for congress to approve war
and i can not fault the senators of both parties for
giving the approval. i do fault them being two faced
about it by trying to claim they did not know what
they were approving (does anyone think they are that
dumb) and now being so critrical. that is where i'd
fault those senators. yes, it would have been great if
the intelligence agencies worldwide had not been wrong
and the facts were right. it is damn easy to look back
from here and say just exactly what you are saying
now, but, back your self up to after 2001 9-11. think
what you knew then and only what you knew then and put
it in that perspective. tough call and that is not
bulls--t. hindsite is always 20-20 becouse you are not
having to predict the future. its easy to predict
history if you can read and remember.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I think that none of us are saying that war is
> wrong, but we would love
> actual facts before going in, and I think the UN was
> trying to get those
> facts but Bush was too antsy to call war. He might
> say it was a difficult
> decision to reach, bull sh-t.
>
> And about Clinton lying, let's say if a friend was
> playing around on his
> wife, I wouldn't broadcast it every night on the
> news.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> ken barber
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> something
> that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> look it up.
> you guys who can't come up with anything but "bush
> lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i love
> you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well
> as
> all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> body lied, only "bush lied."
> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse
> not
> a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> went
> ahead and said he did.
> get past the foolishness and get something
> substantial to say.
>
> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his own
> > people.
> >
> > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > Clinton lying about his
> > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies about
> > wmd is worse because
> > after they found no wmd, he made up several other
> > stories about why we are
> > there.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Come visit my new store!
> > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > visit my Blog at;
> > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > war.
> > >
> > > I don't know what we're currently trying Hussein
> > and his brother for, but
> > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> why
> > are we over there
> > besides
> > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But on
> > the other hand, if I
> > would
> > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull
> out
> > immediately as some
> > would
> > > like to see, I would personally like to fix what
> > my country has done.
> > It's
> > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > somebody's carpet and it
> > burns
> > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> > carpet, no matter what.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anthony
> > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> call;
> > they may (or may not,
> > > some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> > but their lives may be
> > > in greater immediate danger than they were under
> > Hussein. =20
> > >
> > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > argue that we in the US
> > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > eroded. It was said in the
> > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > wanted to destroy the
> > > American (read US) way of life, and they have
> made
> > a start toward that,
> > > IMHO.
> > >
> > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > explicitly give member states
> > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > military action against
> > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under UN
> > resolutions 678 and
> > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > respectively. =20
> > >
> > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > engaged as coalition
> > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> are
> > not formally
> > > recognized as UN forces.
> > >
> > > Kendall=20
> > >
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> > >
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> > the unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > >
> > > actually resolution 1441 passed without
> desent,
> > but,
> > > then when it got time to actually follow
> through,
> > then
> > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled
> and
> > > would not follow through. 1441 gave any member
> > nation
> > > the right to enforce it. the u.s. and the brits
> > with a
> > > few more did exactly that.=20
> > > it appears that the intelligence worldwide was
> > wrong
> > > on lagre amounts of weapons of mass destruction
> > unless
> > > you believe that ranking iragi general that says
> > they
> > > flew them to syria. the media is ignoring him.
> i'd
> > > guess some of you have heard nothing about him
> up
> > to
> > > just this email. but, either way i'll ask the
> > > question. do you think iragis are better off now
> > than
> > > before the invasion? your honest answer should
> > pretty
> > > well tell you if the war is right or wrong.
> don't
> > > wealsel out, they are either better off without
> > saddam
> > > or they were better off with him.=20
>
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now you remind me who warned him. he knew, i beg your
pardon, every major intellingence agency in the world
was saying saddam had wmd. the brits, the french, the
russians, the chinese, the jordanians, the isrealis,
the egyptions, the germans, the spanish, the italians,
and a host of others. it was not just the cia.
lets see sean penn warned him? micheal moore warned
him? who warned him lynda? your memories and my
memories don't match up. remind me who warned him and
how credible they were.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Bush did lie about something as important as whether
> or not to send
> our citizens to die in foreign land. He was warned
> and did know there
> were no WMD's. That evidence is pretty clear. I
> cannot understand how
> you can defend that point.
> Beyond that all the attacks on benefits for the
> disabled and the
> rollbacks of hard won things people who suffer need
> are at the hands
> of the Republicans. This is a mean spirited uncaring
> group who stole
> 2 elections. He didn't win in Ohio legally last time
> and he lost
> Florida the first time.
> I live and am renting to returned soldiers and I can
> tell you they
> are wrecks and for what? OIL!! You cannot send out a
> 19 year old
> sniper to kill people and have him get over 20
> 'hits' as they
> euphemistically refer to killing people and not have
> emotional
> problems. If you want to see a psychologist in the
> Army to help you
> cope with this and what you have witnessed there
> then consider your
> career dead.
> One young man we rented to drove himself off a cliff
> 2 weeks after
> his return. He was drunk as many of them are in
> order to stop the
> feelings from coming out. This war casualty will not
> be counted by
> the Bushites. The soldiers returning from Vietnam
> caused many social
> problems and that will pale in the face of the
> social costs of this
> war. Domestic violence will increase dramatically
> among soldiers and
> many of them will not be able to recoup any sense of
> peace in their
> lives. I am seeing this up close and personal more
> that I care
> to. Even neocons are deserting him now.
>
> At 07:49 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> >now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> something
> >that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> >look it up.
> > you guys who can't come up with anything but
> "bush
> >lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> love
> >you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well
> as
> >all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> >world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> >body lied, only "bush lied."
> > the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse
> not
> >a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> went
> >ahead and said he did.
> > get past the foolishness and get something
> >substantial to say.
> >
> >--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> own
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > > Clinton lying about his
> > > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> about
> > > wmd is worse because
> > > after they found no wmd, he made up several
> other
> > > stories about why we are
> > > there.
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > Come visit my new store!
> > > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > > visit my Blog at;
> > > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> iraq
> > > war.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what we're currently trying
> Hussein
> > > and his brother for, but
> > > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> why
> > > are we over there
> > > besides
> > > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But
> on
> > > the other hand, if I
> > > would
> > > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull
> out
> > > immediately as some
> > > would
> > > > like to see, I would personally like to fix
> what
> > > my country has done.
> > > It's
> > > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > > somebody's carpet and it
> > > burns
> > > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace
> their
> > > carpet, no matter what.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > > >
> > > > Ken,
> > > >
> > > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> call;
> > > they may (or may not,
> > > > some would argue) have greater civil
> liberties,
> > > but their lives may be
> > > > in greater immediate danger than they were
> under
> > > Hussein. =20
> > > >
> > > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > > argue that we in the US
> > > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > > eroded. It was said in the
> > > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > > wanted to destroy the
> > > > American (read US) way of life, and they have
> made
> > > a start toward that,
> > > > IMHO.
> > > >
> > > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > > explicitly give member states
> > > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > > military action against
> > > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under
> UN
> > > resolutions 678 and
> > > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > > respectively. =20
> > > >
> > > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > > engaged as coalition
> > > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> are
> > > not formally
> > > > recognized as UN forces.
> > > >
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > redundant!)
> > > >
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the
> world;
> > > the unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself.
> > > Therefore, all
> > > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > > >
> > > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > > >
> > > >
>
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okay lynda, how much oil are we getting from irag? the
top 4 suppliers of the u.s. is mexico, canada,
vensuala, and saudi arabia. that does not leave much
to come from other sources. think about it. if we went
to war to get iraqs oil, why the hell are we not
getting it?
and while i am at it clinton was not in trouble for
screwing around on his wife. jfk did that too. clinton
commited perjury. last time i knew, perjery was still
a felony.
lets keep out love of facts consistant.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sending thousands to die in order to steal the
> worlds oil supply or
> diddling a young woman who is not your wife are
> equivalent crimes......no way
> We are going to run out of oil and we'd better start
> planning for
> that. Every one of these returning soldiers buys the
> biggest gas hog
> they can find. It disgusts me.
>
> At 08:23 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> >I think that none of us are saying that war is
> wrong, but we would love
> >actual facts before going in, and I think the UN
> was trying to get those
> >facts but Bush was too antsy to call war. He might
> say it was a difficult
> >decision to reach, bull sh-t.
> >
> >And about Clinton lying, let's say if a friend was
> playing around on his
> >wife, I wouldn't broadcast it every night on the
> news.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >ken barber
> >Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> >now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> something
> >that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> >look it up.
> > you guys who can't come up with anything but
> "bush
> >lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> love
> >you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well
> as
> >all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> >world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> >body lied, only "bush lied."
> > the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse
> not
> >a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> went
> >ahead and said he did.
> > get past the foolishness and get something
> >substantial to say.
> >
> >--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> own
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > > Clinton lying about his
> > > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> about
> > > wmd is worse because
> > > after they found no wmd, he made up several
> other
> > > stories about why we are
> > > there.
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > Come visit my new store!
> > > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > > visit my Blog at;
> > > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> iraq
> > > war.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what we're currently trying
> Hussein
> > > and his brother for, but
> > > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> why
> > > are we over there
> > > besides
> > > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But
> on
> > > the other hand, if I
> > > would
> > > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull
> out
> > > immediately as some
> > > would
> > > > like to see, I would personally like to fix
> what
> > > my country has done.
> > > It's
> > > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > > somebody's carpet and it
> > > burns
> > > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace
> their
> > > carpet, no matter what.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > > >
> > > > Ken,
> > > >
> > > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> call;
> > > they may (or may not,
> > > > some would argue) have greater civil
> liberties,
> > > but their lives may be
> > > > in greater immediate danger than they were
> under
> > > Hussein. =20
> > > >
> > > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > > argue that we in the US
> > > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > > eroded. It was said in the
> > > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > > wanted to destroy the
> > > > American (read US) way of life, and they have
> made
> > > a start toward that,
> > > > IMHO.
> > > >
> > > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > > explicitly give member states
> > > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > > military action against
> > > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under
> UN
> > > resolutions 678 and
> > > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > > respectively. =20
> > > >
> > > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > > engaged as coalition
> > > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> are
> > > not formally
> > > > recognized as UN forces.
> > > >
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > redundant!)
> > > >
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the
> world;
> > > the unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself.
> > > Therefore, all
> > > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > > >
> > > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ken barber
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > > >
> > > > actually resolution 1441 passed without
> desent,
> > > but,
> > > > then when it got time to actually follow
> through,
> > > then
> > > > the germans, french, and russians backpeddled
> and
>
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not hard to see why its unofficial.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> http://prorev.com/thingstodo.htm
>
> Progressive Review
> SINCE 1964, WASHINGTON'S MOST UNOFFICIAL SOURCE
>
>
> THINGS TO DO
> IN THE BAD TIMES
> by Sam Smith
>
> GETTING THROUGH THE BAD TIMES
>
> this is part of this lengthy article
>
> DON'T LET THE RIGHT REWRITE HISTORY
>
> Since well over half of the country haven't ever
> seen
> a liberal president in office, and since the media
> has
> generally bought the GOP line on progressive
> politics
> it is important to remember what life would be like
> if
> it hadn't been for liberals in the White House.
>
> People who complain about liberals are like the man
> from Virginia who went to college on the GI Bill and
> bought his first house with a VA loan. When a
> hurricane struck he got federal disaster aid. When
> he
> got sick he was treated at a veteran's hospital.
> When
> he was laid off he received unemployment insurance
> and
> then got a SBA loan to start his own business. His
> bank funds were protected under federal deposit
> insurance laws. Now he's retired and on social
> security and Medicare. The other day he got into his
> car, drove the federal interstate to the railroad
> station, took Amtrak to Washington and went to
> Capitol
> Hill to ask his congressman to get the government
> off
> his back.
>
> Here are a just a few of the things America would be
> without were it not for liberals in the White House:
>
> - Regulation of banks and stock brokerage firms
> cheating their customers
> - Protection of your bank account
> - Social Security
> - A minimum wage
> - Legal alcohol
> - Regulation of the stock exchanges
> - Right of labor to bargain with employers
> - Soil Conservation Service and other early
> environmental programs
> - National parks and monuments such as Death Valley,
> Blue Ridge, Everglades, Boulder Dam, Bull Run,
> Chesapeake and Ohio Canal, Mount Rushmore, Jackson
> Hole, Grand Teton, Cape Cod, Fire Island, and San
> Juan
> Islands just to name a few.
> - Tennessee Valley Authority
> - Rural electrification
> - College educations for innumerable veterans
> - Housing loans for innumerable veterans
> - FHA housing loans
> - The bulk of hospital beds in the country
> - Unemployment insurance
> - Small Business Administration
> - National Endowment for the Arts
> - Medicare
> - Peace Corps
>
> ROBERT S. MCELVAINE, HISTORY NEWS NETWORK - There
> are
> certain things that everyone knows. The rich get
> richer faster during Republican administrations.
> Such
> self-evident "facts" are accepted without reference
> to
> evidence. Yet there is evidence available against
> which to test the belief, which most rich people
> seem
> to accept as an article of faith, that Republican
> administrations are better for the rich.
>
> United States Census Bureau data on mean household
> income from the beginning of the Nixon
> Administration
> through 2002 (the last year for which these data are
> currently available) show that this almost
> universally
> held belief is simply, almost spectacularly, wrong.
> During that period, Republicans held the White House
> for 22 years and Democrats for 12 years. In constant
> 2002 dollars, the average annual gain in income by
> the
> richest five percent of American households under
> Republicans (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and the two
> Bushes)
> was $1706. Under Democrats (Carter and Clinton), the
> richest five percent saw their income rise by an
> annual average of $6,921.
>
> The startling bottom line is that over the last
> three-plus decades the income of the richest
> Americans
> has risen at a rate four times faster under
> Democrats
> than under Republicans.
>
> Above that bottom line are other findings that
> should
> be sobering to wealthy Americans intoxicated by the
> ideology and tax cuts preached and practiced by
> Republicans. A few examples:
>
> - All of the comparatively small cumulative gain in
> income by the rich under Republicans came during the
> Reagan years. Under the other four Republican
> administrations since 1969, the richest five percent
> of households lost an average of $444 per year.
>
> In nine of the last 34 years, the income of the
> richest five percent declined. Eight of those nine
> years of loss for the rich came when a Republican
> was
> in the White House. The only year under a Democrat
> in
> which the richest Americans did not gain was the
> last
> year of Jimmy Carter's presidency, 1980.
>
> - In the eight years under Clinton, the richest five
> percent gained an annual average of $10,241; in the
> six years so far calculated under the Bushes, the
> rich
> lost an annual average of $1999. It is true that the
> rich fared well during the Reagan years: an average
> annual gain of 3.6 percent with his huge tax cuts
> and
> massive deficits. Yet under Clinton, with his tax
> increase on upper income people (which Republicans
> insisted would cause economic ruin and against which
> every Republican in Congress voted) and ultimate
> balancing of the budget, the mean income of the rich
> increased at the significantly faster annual rate of
> 4.9 percent.
>
> - A similar story emerges from a look at the stock
> market, usually seen as another benchmark of how the
> rich are faring. During the same administrations,
> from
> Nixon to the second Bush, the Dow has gained an
> annual
> average of 7.1 percent under Republican
> administrations and 11.1 percent under Democrats.
>
> At 07:49 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> >now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> something
> >that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> >look it up.
> > you guys who can't come up with anything but
> "bush
> >lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> love
> >you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well
> as
> >all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> >world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> >body lied, only "bush lied."
> > the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse
> not
> >a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> went
> >ahead and said he did.
> > get past the foolishness and get something
> >substantial to say.
> >
> >--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> own
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > > Clinton lying about his
> > > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> about
> > > wmd is worse because
> > > after they found no wmd, he made up several
> other
> > > stories about why we are
> > > there.
>
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well if that were why we were there, we would have
our 130-150 thousand troops guarding those fields and
the lines instead of trying to get a democratic
government set up. we would be doing what we were
there for. we would have those troops doing their best
to meet the objective. france, germany, and russia
is still getting hefty shipments.
sorry kat, that arguement just does not hold water.
--- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> We're not getting oil from Iraq because the oil
> wells keep getting
> set on fire,
> and it's become too expensive to transport. Things
> are so unstable
> over there
> I find it difficult to believe how anyone other than
> a private
> security firm
> can make any profits.
>
> Kat
>
>
> On 25 Mar 2006, at 14:52, ken barber wrote:
>
> > i was looking at this and i am sorry that it came
> off
> > so harshly, that was not my intention. my point is
> > that nobody lied about wmd. lots of people were
> > mistaken maybe, but, nobody lied.
> > this is an emotional statement judt like saying
> > "haliburtin" or "war for oil." it may produce a
> > emotional release, but, is basically devoid of
> facts.
> > when i hear "war for oil", i'd like to know how
> much
> > oil we get from iraq. fact is that we get very
> little
> > so if it is a "war for oil" why are we not getting
> it?
> >
> > i appolgise again openly to mag, for being so
> harsh
> > in this post. mag, you know i love you.
> > now, i got to get back to my saturday chores.
> >
> > --- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> >> something
> >> that you know is not true at the time you tell
> it.
> >> look it up.
> >> you guys who can't come up with anything but
> "bush
> >> lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> love
> >> you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as
> well
> >> as
> >> all your derm senators and intelligence around
> the
> >> world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say
> every
> >> body lied, only "bush lied."
> >> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd,
> becouse
> >> not
> >> a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> >> went
> >> ahead and said he did.
> >> get past the foolishness and get something
> >> substantial to say.
> >>
> >> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> >>> perpetrated against the Kurds,
> >>> and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> own
> >>> people.
> >>>
> >>> Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> >>> Clinton lying about his
> >>> affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> about
> >>> wmd is worse because
> >>> after they found no wmd, he made up several
> other
> >>> stories about why we are
> >>> there.
> >>>
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>> Come visit my new store!
> >>> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> >>> visit my Blog at;
> >>> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> [Original Message]
> >>>> From: Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> >>> war.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know what we're currently trying
> Hussein
> >>> and his brother for, but
> >>>> they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> >> why
> >>> are we over there
> >>> besides
> >>>> to take our frustration out on somebody. But
> on
> >>> the other hand, if I
> >>> would
> >>>> become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull
> >> out
> >>> immediately as some
> >>> would
> >>>> like to see, I would personally like to fix
> what
> >>> my country has done.
> >>> It's
> >>>> like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> >>> somebody's carpet and it
> >>> burns
> >>>> a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace their
> >>> carpet, no matter what.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Anthony
> >>>> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Kendall David Corbett
> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> >> war.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken,
> >>>>
> >>>> Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> >> call;
> >>> they may (or may not,
> >>>> some would argue) have greater civil liberties,
> >>> but their lives may be
> >>>> in greater immediate danger than they were
> under
> >>> Hussein. =20
> >>>>
> >>>> On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> >>> argue that we in the US
> >>>> are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> >>> eroded. It was said in the
> >>>> immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> >>> wanted to destroy the
> >>>> American (read US) way of life, and they have
> >> made
> >>> a start toward that,
> >>>> IMHO.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> >>> explicitly give member states
> >>>> of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> >>> military action against
> >>>> Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under
> UN
> >>> resolutions 678 and
> >>>> 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> >>> respectively. =20
> >>>>
> >>>> My point is that the armed forces presently
> >>> engaged as coalition
> >>>> partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> >> are
> >>> not formally
> >>>> recognized as UN forces.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kendall=20
> >>>>
> >>>> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> >>> redundant!)
> >>>>
> >>>> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> >>> the unreasonable one
> >>>> persists in trying to adapt the world to
> >> himself.
> >>> Therefore, all
> >>>> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >>>>
> >>>> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ken barber
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> >> war.
> >>>>
> >>>> actually resolution 1441 passed without
> >> desent,
>
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yes, we do put up with stuff like this all the time.
--- [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/23/2006 10:27:22 AM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Even if I do get a little
> loud sometimes I hope I can teach one person that
> people with
> disabilities deserve respect just like any other
> minority group.
>
>
> I can't believe what I'm reading in this group!
> Everyone, except my mother,
> even other people with disabilities have told me
> more or less to turn the
> other cheek. Bull, I say. Yes, people might wonder
> about my disability, but
> it's no more polite to stop me and make remarks
> about "why" or "how" or what
> ever than it is to do it to members of other
> minority group.
>
> I am trying to cool myself a little because who
> cares what strangers think,
> but I do see a lack of respect for people with
> disabilities and will never let
> that slide. I thought I was a little crazy, but
> now I see I'm not all
> alone.
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again, how much oil have we stolen. i think we have
already saw that this "war for oil" bit just does not
stand up to the test of logic.
please don't disparage our troops by saying they
could not do anything else, they did not know what
they were doing. i know too many brave young people
who knew exactly what they were doing. don't put down
their courage with this bs. my brother is a chaplain.
i meet some of the young men and women. don't belittle
their patritism and courage like this.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Just food for thought, we have already spent
> hundreds of billions just on
> our mission of steeling oil, and are sending troops
> who are serving to pay
> for college, how about using the money to fund their
> college instead of
> having them help in the steeling process, in hopes
> they'll use their
> education to develop better energy sources. I would
> honestly think this
> would be a win-win situation for everybody. Of
> course, Iraq needs new
> schools and hospitals, I could name several cities
> in the states with the
> similar need, and they're overlooked.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Linda Walker
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
>
> Sending thousands to die in order to steal the
> worlds oil supply or
> diddling a young woman who is not your wife are
> equivalent crimes......no
> way
> We are going to run out of oil and we'd better start
> planning for
> that. Every one of these returning soldiers buys the
> biggest gas hog
> they can find. It disgusts me.
>
> At 08:23 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> >I think that none of us are saying that war is
> wrong, but we would love
> >actual facts before going in, and I think the UN
> was trying to get those
> >facts but Bush was too antsy to call war. He might
> say it was a difficult
> >decision to reach, bull sh-t.
> >
> >And about Clinton lying, let's say if a friend was
> playing around on his
> >wife, I wouldn't broadcast it every night on the
> news.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >ken barber
> >Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> >now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> something
> >that you know is not true at the time you tell it.
> >look it up.
> > you guys who can't come up with anything but
> "bush
> >lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> love
> >you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as well
> as
> >all your derm senators and intelligence around the
> >world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say every
> >body lied, only "bush lied."
> > the truth is that nobody lied about wmd, becouse
> not
> >a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> went
> >ahead and said he did.
> > get past the foolishness and get something
> >substantial to say.
> >
> >--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> own
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction or
> > > Clinton lying about his
> > > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> about
> > > wmd is worse because
> > > after they found no wmd, he made up several
> other
> > > stories about why we are
> > > there.
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > Come visit my new store!
> > > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > > visit my Blog at;
> > > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> iraq
> > > war.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what we're currently trying
> Hussein
> > > and his brother for, but
> > > > they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> why
> > > are we over there
> > > besides
> > > > to take our frustration out on somebody. But
> on
> > > the other hand, if I
> > > would
> > > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't pull
> out
> > > immediately as some
> > > would
> > > > like to see, I would personally like to fix
> what
> > > my country has done.
> > > It's
> > > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > > somebody's carpet and it
> > > burns
> > > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace
> their
> > > carpet, no matter what.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Anthony
> > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > > >
> > > > Ken,
> > > >
> > > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> call;
> > > they may (or may not,
> > > > some would argue) have greater civil
> liberties,
> > > but their lives may be
> > > > in greater immediate danger than they were
> under
> > > Hussein. =20
> > > >
> > > > On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > > argue that we in the US
> > > > are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > > eroded. It was said in the
> > > > immediate post 9/11 period that the terrorists
> > > wanted to destroy the
> > > > American (read US) way of life, and they have
> made
> > > a start toward that,
> > > > IMHO.
> > > >
> > > > As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > > explicitly give member states
> > > > of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > > military action against
> > > > Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under
> UN
> > > resolutions 678 and
> > > > 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > > respectively. =20
> > > >
> > > > My point is that the armed forces presently
> > > engaged as coalition
> > > > partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> are
> > > not formally
> > > > recognized as UN forces.
> > > >
> > > > Kendall=20
> > > >
>
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well mag, i'll accept your belief. i think time only
will tell if you are right or if those that believe
something else are right. you stating your belief is
honest and i accept that. i hope you are wrong, but, i
accept the honest belief.
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Ken,
>
> It seems I misspoke about "lie" of wmd, but when
> they were not found, we
> were told at least two other stories about why we
> remain there. Just as I
> doubt there will be peace between Israel and the
> Palestinians, (and it's
> been on for 5,000 plus years) I doubt there can be
> peace between all the
> different groups in Iraq. It's a shame that we have
> killed so many Iraqis,
> but i truly believe that it's the Iraqis themselves
> who must decide whether
> they want to become a democracy. It's not something
> that can be forced. The
> thing that i hate about Americans as linda describes
> so well, is how we
> abandon those who do come home damaged from the war.
> We turn our backs on
> these boys and girls, and so When I see or hear
> "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" I'm
> like, yeah right, as long as they're over there, we
> support them, but as
> soon as they return with physical and emotional
> problems, we turn our backs
> on them. It's the vets who are homeless, the vets
> that have psychriatric
> problems, the vets who become disabled. and we
> throw them on the streets
> and tell them, tough luck, guys.
>
> Mag
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [log in to unmask]
> Come visit my new store!
> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> visit my Blog at;
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>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/25/2006 10:57:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Bush did lie about something as important as
> whether or not to send
> > our citizens to die in foreign land. He was warned
> and did know there
> > were no WMD's. That evidence is pretty clear. I
> cannot understand how
> > you can defend that point.
> > Beyond that all the attacks on benefits for the
> disabled and the
> > rollbacks of hard won things people who suffer
> need are at the hands
> > of the Republicans. This is a mean spirited
> uncaring group who stole
> > 2 elections. He didn't win in Ohio legally last
> time and he lost
> > Florida the first time.
> > I live and am renting to returned soldiers and I
> can tell you they
> > are wrecks and for what? OIL!! You cannot send out
> a 19 year old
> > sniper to kill people and have him get over 20
> 'hits' as they
> > euphemistically refer to killing people and not
> have emotional
> > problems. If you want to see a psychologist in the
> Army to help you
> > cope with this and what you have witnessed there
> then consider your
> > career dead.
> > One young man we rented to drove himself off a
> cliff 2 weeks after
> > his return. He was drunk as many of them are in
> order to stop the
> > feelings from coming out. This war casualty will
> not be counted by
> > the Bushites. The soldiers returning from Vietnam
> caused many social
> > problems and that will pale in the face of the
> social costs of this
> > war. Domestic violence will increase dramatically
> among soldiers and
> > many of them will not be able to recoup any sense
> of peace in their
> > lives. I am seeing this up close and personal more
> that I care
> > to. Even neocons are deserting him now.
> >
> > At 07:49 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> > >now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> something
> > >that you know is not true at the time you tell
> it.
> > >look it up.
> > > you guys who can't come up with anything but
> "bush
> > >lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> love
> > >you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as
> well as
> > >all your derm senators and intelligence around
> the
> > >world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say
> every
> > >body lied, only "bush lied."
> > > the truth is that nobody lied about wmd,
> becouse not
> > >a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> went
> > >ahead and said he did.
> > > get past the foolishness and get something
> > >substantial to say.
> > >
> > >--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> own
> > > > people.
> > > >
> > > > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction
> or
> > > > Clinton lying about his
> > > > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> about
> > > > wmd is worse because
> > > > after they found no wmd, he made up several
> other
> > > > stories about why we are
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > Come visit my new store!
> > > > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > > > visit my Blog at;
> > > > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> iraq
> > > > war.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what we're currently trying
> Hussein
> > > > and his brother for, but
> > > > > they had no involvement in September 11th,
> so why
> > > > are we over there
> > > > besides
> > > > > to take our frustration out on somebody.
> But on
> > > > the other hand, if I
> > > > would
> > > > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't
> pull out
> > > > immediately as some
> > > > would
> > > > > like to see, I would personally like to fix
> what
> > > > my country has done.
> > > > It's
> > > > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette
> on
> > > > somebody's carpet and it
> > > > burns
> > > > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace
> their
> > > > carpet, no matter what.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> iraq war.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken,
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:56:49 -0500
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Hi Anthony,
I did a little bit of research while I was procrastinating today, and
it seems like your friend's husband's claim would be really unlikely
to succeed. Here's the statute that governs restraining orders in
North Dakota (12.1-31.2-01 of the Criminal Code):
"1. "Disorderly conduct" means intrusive or unwanted acts, words, or
gestures that are intended to adversely affect the safety, security,
or privacy of another person. Disorderly conduct does not include
constitutionally protected activity.
2. A person who is a victim of disorderly conduct or the parent or
guardian of a minor who is a victim of disorderly conduct may seek a
disorderly conduct restraining order from any court of competent
jurisdiction in the manner provided in this section."
According to a case called Tibor v. Lund (1999), "merely showing that
a person's actions are "unwanted" is not sufficient to support a
restraining order; the petitioner must show specific unwanted acts
that are intended to adversely affect the safety, security or privacy
of another person."
Basically, this means that the fact that he didn't want the attendant
there wouldn't be good enough to get a restraining order. He would
have to prove that she was acting with intent to affect his safety,
security, or privacy, which she wasn't.
Does that help? I'd be happy to do more research if you want/need me to.
~Joy~
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well, i do know there are calls for the iraqis to
pay us back some of the rebuilding money that is being
spent, but, bush has faught making this a loan type
arrangemt. he gets lots of critisism from the right
for this.
i will say this, and it wont be popular with
anybody. i hope like hell we are building a base to
attack iran if it is necessary. the eu and un is
having no effect on them in trying to get them not to
make an nuclear bomb. i'll make myself even less
popular by saying that the problems with iran goes
back to the bungling of the carter administration.
jimmy was a good person, but he should have stayed
home growing peanuts and sent his brother billy to
washington dc. i know how some of you guys love him.
okay, if you are still reading... i now have one
email saying we can't get the oil we went for becouse
the wells and pipelines are being blown up. that would
indicate that our military is not guarding them to
well, on the other hand we have another email saying
some observers (unnamed) say we ARE guarding the wells
and pipelines so we can get the oil in the future. i
guess we are waiting for the price of oil to go up
further so when we do "steal" it we can say it is
worth more. on that bush and chenny,! they are sly
oilment to hold it for the price to go up. and they
are such bunglers in every other way. i guess every
one is good at something after all.
pardon me if i step away from my computer to
chuckle. :-)
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Actually according to some observers the oil wells
> are being
> protected. We expect Iraq to pay for our military
> assault or as some
> think our effort to democratize them with their oil.
> We are building
> bases there to invade Iran next.
> As a people we cannot afford to continue to do this
> to other countries.
>
> At 12:06 PM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> >We're not getting oil from Iraq because the oil
> wells keep getting
> >set on fire,
> >and it's become too expensive to transport. Things
> are so unstable
> >over there
> >I find it difficult to believe how anyone other
> than a private
> >security firm
> >can make any profits.
> >
> >Kat
> >
> >
> >On 25 Mar 2006, at 14:52, ken barber wrote:
> >
> > > i was looking at this and i am sorry that it
> came off
> > > so harshly, that was not my intention. my point
> is
> > > that nobody lied about wmd. lots of people were
> > > mistaken maybe, but, nobody lied.
> > > this is an emotional statement judt like
> saying
> > > "haliburtin" or "war for oil." it may produce a
> > > emotional release, but, is basically devoid of
> facts.
> > > when i hear "war for oil", i'd like to know
> how much
> > > oil we get from iraq. fact is that we get very
> little
> > > so if it is a "war for oil" why are we not
> getting it?
> > >
> > > i appolgise again openly to mag, for being so
> harsh
> > > in this post. mag, you know i love you.
> > > now, i got to get back to my saturday chores.
> > >
> > > --- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> > >> something
> > >> that you know is not true at the time you tell
> it.
> > >> look it up.
> > >> you guys who can't come up with anything but
> "bush
> > >> lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> love
> > >> you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as
> well
> > >> as
> > >> all your derm senators and intelligence around
> the
> > >> world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say
> every
> > >> body lied, only "bush lied."
> > >> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd,
> becouse
> > >> not
> > >> a one of them knew that he did not have them
> and
> > >> went
> > >> ahead and said he did.
> > >> get past the foolishness and get something
> > >> substantial to say.
> > >>
> > >> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > >>> perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > >>> and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> own
> > >>> people.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction
> or
> > >>> Clinton lying about his
> > >>> affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> about
> > >>> wmd is worse because
> > >>> after they found no wmd, he made up several
> other
> > >>> stories about why we are
> > >>> there.
> > >>>
> > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>> [log in to unmask]
> > >>> Come visit my new store!
> > >>> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > >>> visit my Blog at;
> > >>> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> [Original Message]
> > >>>> From: Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>> Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> iraq
> > >>> war.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I don't know what we're currently trying
> Hussein
> > >>> and his brother for, but
> > >>>> they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> > >> why
> > >>> are we over there
> > >>> besides
> > >>>> to take our frustration out on somebody. But
> on
> > >>> the other hand, if I
> > >>> would
> > >>>> become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't
> pull
> > >> out
> > >>> immediately as some
> > >>> would
> > >>>> like to see, I would personally like to fix
> what
> > >>> my country has done.
> > >>> It's
> > >>>> like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > >>> somebody's carpet and it
> > >>> burns
> > >>>> a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace
> their
> > >>> carpet, no matter what.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Anthony
> > >>>> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > >>>> Kendall David Corbett
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > >> war.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ken,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> > >> call;
> > >>> they may (or may not,
> > >>>> some would argue) have greater civil
> liberties,
> > >>> but their lives may be
> > >>>> in greater immediate danger than they were
> under
> > >>> Hussein. =20
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > >>> argue that we in the US
> > >>>> are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > >>> eroded. It was said in the
> > >>>> immediate post 9/11 period that the
> terrorists
> > >>> wanted to destroy the
> > >>>> American (read US) way of life, and they have
> > >> made
> > >>> a start toward that,
> > >>>> IMHO.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > >>> explicitly give member states
> > >>>> of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > >>> military action against
> > >>>> Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under
> UN
> > >>> resolutions 678 and
> > >>>> 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > >>> respectively. =20
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My point is that the armed forces presently
> > >>> engaged as coalition
> > >>>> partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> > >> are
> > >>> not formally
> > >>>> recognized as UN forces.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kendall=20
> > >>>>
> > >>>> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
>
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ain't free speech great?
At 07:19 PM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> well, i do know there are calls for the iraqis to
>pay us back some of the rebuilding money that is being
>spent, but, bush has faught making this a loan type
>arrangemt. he gets lots of critisism from the right
>for this.
> i will say this, and it wont be popular with
>anybody. i hope like hell we are building a base to
>attack iran if it is necessary. the eu and un is
>having no effect on them in trying to get them not to
>make an nuclear bomb. i'll make myself even less
>popular by saying that the problems with iran goes
>back to the bungling of the carter administration.
>jimmy was a good person, but he should have stayed
>home growing peanuts and sent his brother billy to
>washington dc. i know how some of you guys love him.
>
> okay, if you are still reading... i now have one
>email saying we can't get the oil we went for becouse
>the wells and pipelines are being blown up. that would
>indicate that our military is not guarding them to
>well, on the other hand we have another email saying
>some observers (unnamed) say we ARE guarding the wells
>and pipelines so we can get the oil in the future. i
>guess we are waiting for the price of oil to go up
>further so when we do "steal" it we can say it is
>worth more. on that bush and chenny,! they are sly
>oilment to hold it for the price to go up. and they
>are such bunglers in every other way. i guess every
>one is good at something after all.
> pardon me if i step away from my computer to
>chuckle. :-)
>
>
>--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Actually according to some observers the oil wells
> > are being
> > protected. We expect Iraq to pay for our military
> > assault or as some
> > think our effort to democratize them with their oil.
> > We are building
> > bases there to invade Iran next.
> > As a people we cannot afford to continue to do this
> > to other countries.
> >
> > At 12:06 PM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> > >We're not getting oil from Iraq because the oil
> > wells keep getting
> > >set on fire,
> > >and it's become too expensive to transport. Things
> > are so unstable
> > >over there
> > >I find it difficult to believe how anyone other
> > than a private
> > >security firm
> > >can make any profits.
> > >
> > >Kat
> > >
> > >
> > >On 25 Mar 2006, at 14:52, ken barber wrote:
> > >
> > > > i was looking at this and i am sorry that it
> > came off
> > > > so harshly, that was not my intention. my point
> > is
> > > > that nobody lied about wmd. lots of people were
> > > > mistaken maybe, but, nobody lied.
> > > > this is an emotional statement judt like
> > saying
> > > > "haliburtin" or "war for oil." it may produce a
> > > > emotional release, but, is basically devoid of
> > facts.
> > > > when i hear "war for oil", i'd like to know
> > how much
> > > > oil we get from iraq. fact is that we get very
> > little
> > > > so if it is a "war for oil" why are we not
> > getting it?
> > > >
> > > > i appolgise again openly to mag, for being so
> > harsh
> > > > in this post. mag, you know i love you.
> > > > now, i got to get back to my saturday chores.
> > > >
> > > > --- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> > > >> something
> > > >> that you know is not true at the time you tell
> > it.
> > > >> look it up.
> > > >> you guys who can't come up with anything but
> > "bush
> > > >> lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> > love
> > > >> you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as
> > well
> > > >> as
> > > >> all your derm senators and intelligence around
> > the
> > > >> world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say
> > every
> > > >> body lied, only "bush lied."
> > > >> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd,
> > becouse
> > > >> not
> > > >> a one of them knew that he did not have them
> > and
> > > >> went
> > > >> ahead and said he did.
> > > >> get past the foolishness and get something
> > > >> substantial to say.
> > > >>
> > > >> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > >>> perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > >>> and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> > own
> > > >>> people.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction
> > or
> > > >>> Clinton lying about his
> > > >>> affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> > about
> > > >>> wmd is worse because
> > > >>> after they found no wmd, he made up several
> > other
> > > >>> stories about why we are
> > > >>> there.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >>> [log in to unmask]
> > > >>> Come visit my new store!
> > > >>> http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > > >>> visit my Blog at;
> > > >>> http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> [Original Message]
> > > >>>> From: Anthony Arnold
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>>> Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> > iraq
> > > >>> war.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I don't know what we're currently trying
> > Hussein
> > > >>> and his brother for, but
> > > >>>> they had no involvement in September 11th, so
> > > >> why
> > > >>> are we over there
> > > >>> besides
> > > >>>> to take our frustration out on somebody. But
> > on
> > > >>> the other hand, if I
> > > >>> would
> > > >>>> become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't
> > pull
> > > >> out
> > > >>> immediately as some
> > > >>> would
> > > >>>> like to see, I would personally like to fix
> > what
> > > >>> my country has done.
> > > >>> It's
> > > >>>> like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette on
> > > >>> somebody's carpet and it
> > > >>> burns
> > > >>>> a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace
> > their
> > > >>> carpet, no matter what.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> Anthony
> > > >>>> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > >>>> Kendall David Corbett
> > > >>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> > > >> war.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Ken,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> > > >> call;
> > > >>> they may (or may not,
> > > >>>> some would argue) have greater civil
> > liberties,
> > > >>> but their lives may be
> > > >>>> in greater immediate danger than they were
> > under
> > > >>> Hussein. =20
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On the opposite side of that coin, many would
> > > >>> argue that we in the US
> > > >>>> are safer, but have had our civil liberties
> > > >>> eroded. It was said in the
> > > >>>> immediate post 9/11 period that the
> > terrorists
> > > >>> wanted to destroy the
> > > >>>> American (read US) way of life, and they have
> > > >> made
> > > >>> a start toward that,
> > > >>>> IMHO.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> As I read UN Resolution 1441, it doesn't
> > > >>> explicitly give member states
> > > >>>> of the UN permission to undertake unilateral
> > > >>> military action against
> > > >>>> Iraq. That does seem to be permissible under
> > UN
> > > >>> resolutions 678 and
> > > >>>> 687, which were signed in 1990 and 1991,
> > > >>> respectively. =20
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> My point is that the armed forces presently
> > > >>> engaged as coalition
> > > >>>> partners do not wear UN uniforms, and as such
> > > >> are
> > > >>> not formally
> > > >>>> recognized as UN forces.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Kendall=20
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> >
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and they only got that way since er, er. let me
guess...the year 2000? they were built by FDR. lets
see, the republicans took the house in 1994 and the
senate even later. the democrates had congress for
over 40 years before that. lets figure out who let all
of this go the longest without doing any maintence?...
hmm. well i can't figure it out. i can't guess how it
happened. :-} i must step away again.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Exactly right! Our railroads are incredibly
> substandard. Our bridges
> and dams were built during FDR's terms and are not
> only aging but
> many are about to burst. Our own infrastructure is
> failing. ln a
> state, CA, where the roads used to be fabulous I
> regularly hit
> potholes large enough to blow out tires. The public
> city school my
> daughter taught in was so filthy I had to go in and
> clean the
> classroom myself. She called me, "Mom bring your
> cleaning supplies
> and come down here, you won't believe it." No money
> for janitors,
> just bombs. There is asbestos in the ceilings, the
> windows don't
> open. Our priorities are very mixed up. Countries
> that don't have oil
> can commit as many atrocities as they like on their
> citizens and we
> are ho hum. If Americans don't wake up soon and
> support a
> progressive peaceful agenda, the Reeps will
> successfully bring on
> Armageddon. Oh Cr** I better shut up and get back to
> work.
>
> At 01:13 PM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> >Just food for thought, we have already spent
> hundreds of billions just on
> >our mission of steeling oil, and are sending troops
> who are serving to pay
> >for college, how about using the money to fund
> their college instead of
> >having them help in the steeling process, in hopes
> they'll use their
> >education to develop better energy sources. I
> would honestly think this
> >would be a win-win situation for everybody. Of
> course, Iraq needs new
> >schools and hospitals, I could name several cities
> in the states with the
> >similar need, and they're overlooked.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Anthony
> >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >Linda Walker
> >Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:29 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq war.
> >
> >Sending thousands to die in order to steal the
> worlds oil supply or
> >diddling a young woman who is not your wife are
> equivalent crimes......no
> >way
> >We are going to run out of oil and we'd better
> start planning for
> >that. Every one of these returning soldiers buys
> the biggest gas hog
> >they can find. It disgusts me.
> >
> >At 08:23 AM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> > >I think that none of us are saying that war is
> wrong, but we would love
> > >actual facts before going in, and I think the UN
> was trying to get those
> > >facts but Bush was too antsy to call war. He
> might say it was a difficult
> > >decision to reach, bull sh-t.
> > >
> > >And about Clinton lying, let's say if a friend
> was playing around on his
> > >wife, I wouldn't broadcast it every night on the
> news.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Anthony
> > >Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > >ken barber
> > >Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50 AM
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now iraq
> war.
> > >
> > >now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> something
> > >that you know is not true at the time you tell
> it.
> > >look it up.
> > > you guys who can't come up with anything but
> "bush
> > >lied" just do not know how foolish you sound. i
> love
> > >you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush as
> well as
> > >all your derm senators and intelligence around
> the
> > >world all said saddam had wmd. you do not say
> every
> > >body lied, only "bush lied."
> > > the truth is that nobody lied about wmd,
> becouse not
> > >a one of them knew that he did not have them and
> went
> > >ahead and said he did.
> > > get past the foolishness and get something
> > >substantial to say.
> > >
> > >--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Saddam is being tried for the atrocities he
> > > > perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > > and Iranians, as well as murdering some of his
> own
> > > > people.
> > > >
> > > > Bush lying about weapons of mass destruction
> or
> > > > Clinton lying about his
> > > > affair; which is worse? I say bush's lies
> about
> > > > wmd is worse because
> > > > after they found no wmd, he made up several
> other
> > > > stories about why we are
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > Come visit my new store!
> > > > http://www.cafepress.com/TamarMag
> > > > visit my Blog at;
> > > > http://tamarmag-newsletters.blogspot.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Anthony Arnold
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> iraq
> > > > war.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what we're currently trying
> Hussein
> > > > and his brother for, but
> > > > > they had no involvement in September 11th,
> so why
> > > > are we over there
> > > > besides
> > > > > to take our frustration out on somebody.
> But on
> > > > the other hand, if I
> > > > would
> > > > > become the president tomorrow, I wouldn't
> pull out
> > > > immediately as some
> > > > would
> > > > > like to see, I would personally like to fix
> what
> > > > my country has done.
> > > > It's
> > > > > like if I accidentally dropped a cigarette
> on
> > > > somebody's carpet and it
> > > > burns
> > > > > a hole, I would feel oppogated to replace
> their
> > > > carpet, no matter what.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > > Kendall David Corbett
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:49 PM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: FW: was dental question now
> iraq war.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken,
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether the Iraqis are better off is a tough
> call;
> > > > they may (or may not,
>
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good work, joy. that is great information.
i hope that helps anthony.
--- Joy Welan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I did a little bit of research while I was
> procrastinating today, and
> it seems like your friend's husband's claim would be
> really unlikely
> to succeed. Here's the statute that governs
> restraining orders in
> North Dakota (12.1-31.2-01 of the Criminal Code):
>
> "1. "Disorderly conduct" means intrusive or unwanted
> acts, words, or
> gestures that are intended to adversely affect the
> safety, security,
> or privacy of another person. Disorderly conduct
> does not include
> constitutionally protected activity.
>
> 2. A person who is a victim of disorderly conduct or
> the parent or
> guardian of a minor who is a victim of disorderly
> conduct may seek a
> disorderly conduct restraining order from any court
> of competent
> jurisdiction in the manner provided in this
> section."
>
> According to a case called Tibor v. Lund (1999),
> "merely showing that
> a person's actions are "unwanted" is not sufficient
> to support a
> restraining order; the petitioner must show specific
> unwanted acts
> that are intended to adversely affect the safety,
> security or privacy
> of another person."
>
> Basically, this means that the fact that he didn't
> want the attendant
> there wouldn't be good enough to get a restraining
> order. He would
> have to prove that she was acting with intent to
> affect his safety,
> security, or privacy, which she wasn't.
>
> Does that help? I'd be happy to do more research if
> you want/need me to.
>
> ~Joy~
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:44:09 -0800
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oh, i love it lynda. i really do. i love badgering all
you guys too. you all know that if you were for the
war, i could argue against it. i used to do that in
college. college was better for me than high school.
oh, to be back in college and know what i know now.
that might be dangerous for sure.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> ain't free speech great?
>
> At 07:19 PM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> > well, i do know there are calls for the iraqis
> to
> >pay us back some of the rebuilding money that is
> being
> >spent, but, bush has faught making this a loan type
> >arrangemt. he gets lots of critisism from the right
> >for this.
> > i will say this, and it wont be popular with
> >anybody. i hope like hell we are building a base to
> >attack iran if it is necessary. the eu and un is
> >having no effect on them in trying to get them not
> to
> >make an nuclear bomb. i'll make myself even less
> >popular by saying that the problems with iran goes
> >back to the bungling of the carter administration.
> >jimmy was a good person, but he should have stayed
> >home growing peanuts and sent his brother billy to
> >washington dc. i know how some of you guys love
> him.
> >
> > okay, if you are still reading... i now have one
> >email saying we can't get the oil we went for
> becouse
> >the wells and pipelines are being blown up. that
> would
> >indicate that our military is not guarding them to
> >well, on the other hand we have another email
> saying
> >some observers (unnamed) say we ARE guarding the
> wells
> >and pipelines so we can get the oil in the future.
> i
> >guess we are waiting for the price of oil to go up
> >further so when we do "steal" it we can say it is
> >worth more. on that bush and chenny,! they are sly
> >oilment to hold it for the price to go up. and they
> >are such bunglers in every other way. i guess every
> >one is good at something after all.
> > pardon me if i step away from my computer to
> >chuckle. :-)
> >
> >
> >--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Actually according to some observers the oil
> wells
> > > are being
> > > protected. We expect Iraq to pay for our
> military
> > > assault or as some
> > > think our effort to democratize them with their
> oil.
> > > We are building
> > > bases there to invade Iran next.
> > > As a people we cannot afford to continue to do
> this
> > > to other countries.
> > >
> > > At 12:06 PM 3/25/2006, you wrote:
> > > >We're not getting oil from Iraq because the oil
> > > wells keep getting
> > > >set on fire,
> > > >and it's become too expensive to transport.
> Things
> > > are so unstable
> > > >over there
> > > >I find it difficult to believe how anyone other
> > > than a private
> > > >security firm
> > > >can make any profits.
> > > >
> > > >Kat
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On 25 Mar 2006, at 14:52, ken barber wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i was looking at this and i am sorry that it
> > > came off
> > > > > so harshly, that was not my intention. my
> point
> > > is
> > > > > that nobody lied about wmd. lots of people
> were
> > > > > mistaken maybe, but, nobody lied.
> > > > > this is an emotional statement judt like
> > > saying
> > > > > "haliburtin" or "war for oil." it may
> produce a
> > > > > emotional release, but, is basically devoid
> of
> > > facts.
> > > > > when i hear "war for oil", i'd like to
> know
> > > how much
> > > > > oil we get from iraq. fact is that we get
> very
> > > little
> > > > > so if it is a "war for oil" why are we not
> > > getting it?
> > > > >
> > > > > i appolgise again openly to mag, for being
> so
> > > harsh
> > > > > in this post. mag, you know i love you.
> > > > > now, i got to get back to my saturday
> chores.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> now mag, the definition of a lie is to tell
> > > > >> something
> > > > >> that you know is not true at the time you
> tell
> > > it.
> > > > >> look it up.
> > > > >> you guys who can't come up with anything
> but
> > > "bush
> > > > >> lied" just do not know how foolish you
> sound. i
> > > love
> > > > >> you, but, please, get past that tripe. bush
> as
> > > well
> > > > >> as
> > > > >> all your derm senators and intelligence
> around
> > > the
> > > > >> world all said saddam had wmd. you do not
> say
> > > every
> > > > >> body lied, only "bush lied."
> > > > >> the truth is that nobody lied about wmd,
> > > becouse
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> a one of them knew that he did not have
> them
> > > and
> > > > >> went
> > > > >> ahead and said he did.
> > > > >> get past the foolishness and get
> something
> > > > >> substantial to say.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Saddam is being tried for the atrocities
> he
> > > > >>> perpetrated against the Kurds,
> > > > >>> and Iranians, as well as murdering some of
> his
> > > own
> > > > >>> people.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Bush lying about weapons of mass
> destruction
> > > or
> > > > >>> Clinton lying about his
> > > > >>> affair; which is worse? I say bush's
> lies
> > > about
> > > > >>> wmd is worse because
> > > > >>> after they found no wmd, he made up
> several
> > > other
> > > > >>> stories about why we are
> > > > >>> there.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> [Original Message]
> > > > >>>> From: Anthony Arnold
> > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >>>> Date: 3/24/2006 5:19:03 PM
> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: FW: was dental question
> now
> > > iraq
> > > > >>> war.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I don't know what we're currently trying
> > > Hussein
> > > > >>> and his brother for, but
> > > > >>>> they had no involvement in September
> 11th, so
> > > > >> why
> > > > >>> are we over there
> > > > >>> besides
> > > > >>>> to take our frustration out on somebody.
> But
> > > on
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:45:49 -0800
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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:04:17 -0600
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From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: C-PALSY Digest - 21 Mar 2006 to 22 Mar 2006 (#2006-57)
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Joy,
Tomorrow morning when my attendant comes, I'll have her read the information
that you provided, but I feel bad that you had to research for a answer that
common sense already told us. Yesterday she met with the priest, and he
agreed to get her some counseling, and he wants to meet with the husband.
Again I personally don't know him, but I respect him.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Joy Welan
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: C-PALSY Digest - 21 Mar 2006 to 22 Mar 2006 (#2006-57)
Hi Anthony,
I did a little bit of research while I was procrastinating today, and
it seems like your friend's husband's claim would be really unlikely
to succeed. Here's the statute that governs restraining orders in
North Dakota (12.1-31.2-01 of the Criminal Code):
"1. "Disorderly conduct" means intrusive or unwanted acts, words, or
gestures that are intended to adversely affect the safety, security,
or privacy of another person. Disorderly conduct does not include
constitutionally protected activity.
2. A person who is a victim of disorderly conduct or the parent or
guardian of a minor who is a victim of disorderly conduct may seek a
disorderly conduct restraining order from any court of competent
jurisdiction in the manner provided in this section."
According to a case called Tibor v. Lund (1999), "merely showing that
a person's actions are "unwanted" is not sufficient to support a
restraining order; the petitioner must show specific unwanted acts
that are intended to adversely affect the safety, security or privacy
of another person."
Basically, this means that the fact that he didn't want the attendant
there wouldn't be good enough to get a restraining order. He would
have to prove that she was acting with intent to affect his safety,
security, or privacy, which she wasn't.
Does that help? I'd be happy to do more research if you want/need me to.
~Joy~
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> [Original Message]
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> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/25/2006 7:45:50 PM
> Subject: its been great,
>
> but, the hands are screaming at me to quit.
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:30:29 -0600
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Ken,
You have to get a voice recognition system for your computer, and than you
can debate us 7/24, isn't assistive technology fun :)
Thanks,
Anthony
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:14:34 -0600
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Friends,
I definitely don't know all the details here, and I don't know what the
Americans with Disabilities Act reads, and I'm sure that most of you have
more knowledge behind the act. However a local guy just purchased and
turned a older building into apartments, and he has a few units wheelchair
accessible just like what he is required to do. He had a open house today,
and my parents went to see it just for the fun of going, but however they
were surprised at his bathroom in the wheelchair accessible unit, it has a
bathtub instead of a roll-in shower. My dad personally knows the guy, so he
questioned him on why he did a bathtub instead of a roll-in shower. He
responded saying that's what the ADA requires, which seems weird to my
parents, so I told them I would e-mail you guys to see what's up with this.
This isn't the first time we have wondered about the Americans with
Disabilities Act. Don't get me wrong, it's great but parts of it are really
questionable.
Thanks,
Anthony
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:46:01 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
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Anthony, if a building was built before a certain date, they're
grandfathered under the ADA and don't have to build such things a
roll-in showers. In fact, I think the minimum requirement is that
the apartment is accessible, not that the kitchen or bathroom has to
have handicapped-accessible equipment. I have a bathtub and not a
roll-in shower in my apartment and my kitchen counters and stove
aren't lowered for wheelchair users, and the top cabinets wouldn't be
accessible if I couldn't stand to put my dishes away.
Kat
On 26 Mar 2006, at 02:14, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I definitely don't know all the details here, and I don't know what
> the
> Americans with Disabilities Act reads, and I'm sure that most of
> you have
> more knowledge behind the act. However a local guy just purchased and
> turned a older building into apartments, and he has a few units
> wheelchair
> accessible just like what he is required to do. He had a open
> house today,
> and my parents went to see it just for the fun of going, but
> however they
> were surprised at his bathroom in the wheelchair accessible unit,
> it has a
> bathtub instead of a roll-in shower. My dad personally knows the
> guy, so he
> questioned him on why he did a bathtub instead of a roll-in
> shower. He
> responded saying that's what the ADA requires, which seems weird to my
> parents, so I told them I would e-mail you guys to see what's up
> with this.
> This isn't the first time we have wondered about the Americans with
> Disabilities Act. Don't get me wrong, it's great but parts of it
> are really
> questionable.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:17:27 -0600
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Kat,
I don't know if your explanation holds true in this case, the building was
used as the opera house, and the guy and his company decided to purchase and
make it into apartments. They left the shell alone to the most part and
just turned it into apartments, would this still be grandfathered?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Kathleen Salkin
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:46 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
Anthony, if a building was built before a certain date, they're
grandfathered under the ADA and don't have to build such things a
roll-in showers. In fact, I think the minimum requirement is that
the apartment is accessible, not that the kitchen or bathroom has to
have handicapped-accessible equipment. I have a bathtub and not a
roll-in shower in my apartment and my kitchen counters and stove
aren't lowered for wheelchair users, and the top cabinets wouldn't be
accessible if I couldn't stand to put my dishes away.
Kat
On 26 Mar 2006, at 02:14, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Friends,
>
>
>
> I definitely don't know all the details here, and I don't know what
> the
> Americans with Disabilities Act reads, and I'm sure that most of
> you have
> more knowledge behind the act. However a local guy just purchased and
> turned a older building into apartments, and he has a few units
> wheelchair
> accessible just like what he is required to do. He had a open
> house today,
> and my parents went to see it just for the fun of going, but
> however they
> were surprised at his bathroom in the wheelchair accessible unit,
> it has a
> bathtub instead of a roll-in shower. My dad personally knows the
> guy, so he
> questioned him on why he did a bathtub instead of a roll-in
> shower. He
> responded saying that's what the ADA requires, which seems weird to my
> parents, so I told them I would e-mail you guys to see what's up
> with this.
> This isn't the first time we have wondered about the Americans with
> Disabilities Act. Don't get me wrong, it's great but parts of it
> are really
> questionable.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:42:53 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
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I could be wrong but I think if the building's an historic one (on
the Historic Register), they don't
have to adhere to ADA building guidelines, whether it's converted
from flats to not. But I leave that
to the legal experts on this list.
All I know is that when I looked at flats in this city a few years
ago, I saw units that had been
designated as "accessible" but really weren't, completely. For
example, the flat I've been living
in for almost six years has two bedrooms, two baths, and I can only
access one bath and one bedroom
closet. The doorways into the walk-in closet and the back bath are
way too narrow for
my wheelchair, but my friend who has many disabled clients in her
home health-care business, said
that the minimum is that the *essential* living spaces need to be
accessible, not the whole living
space. And this flat was the best I saw of the lot that I could
afford - I saw a lovely one-bedroom
that might have done, but I wanted two bedrooms, and this flat would
have been $850 a month for
one-bedroom, and $1100 for a two-bedroom.
I did ask the management of my apartments if they could widen the
doors but they refused, saying they
are not obligated to make changes that are unreasonable.
Kat
On 26 Mar 2006, at 10:17, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> Kat,
>
> I don't know if your explanation holds true in this case, the
> building was
> used as the opera house, and the guy and his company decided to
> purchase and
> make it into apartments. They left the shell alone to the most
> part and
> just turned it into apartments, would this still be grandfathered?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of
> Kathleen Salkin
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:46 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
>
> Anthony, if a building was built before a certain date, they're
> grandfathered under the ADA and don't have to build such things a
> roll-in showers. In fact, I think the minimum requirement is that
> the apartment is accessible, not that the kitchen or bathroom has to
> have handicapped-accessible equipment. I have a bathtub and not a
> roll-in shower in my apartment and my kitchen counters and stove
> aren't lowered for wheelchair users, and the top cabinets wouldn't be
> accessible if I couldn't stand to put my dishes away.
>
> Kat
>
>
> On 26 Mar 2006, at 02:14, Anthony Arnold wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>
>>
>>
>> I definitely don't know all the details here, and I don't know what
>> the
>> Americans with Disabilities Act reads, and I'm sure that most of
>> you have
>> more knowledge behind the act. However a local guy just purchased
>> and
>> turned a older building into apartments, and he has a few units
>> wheelchair
>> accessible just like what he is required to do. He had a open
>> house today,
>> and my parents went to see it just for the fun of going, but
>> however they
>> were surprised at his bathroom in the wheelchair accessible unit,
>> it has a
>> bathtub instead of a roll-in shower. My dad personally knows the
>> guy, so he
>> questioned him on why he did a bathtub instead of a roll-in
>> shower. He
>> responded saying that's what the ADA requires, which seems weird
>> to my
>> parents, so I told them I would e-mail you guys to see what's up
>> with this.
>> This isn't the first time we have wondered about the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act. Don't get me wrong, it's great but parts of it
>> are really
>> questionable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:19:09 -0800
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yes, i tried 2 versions. the best was dragon dictate,
but, it could not do the job without constant retraing
it to recogize my voice. obviously the dystonia in my
neck area affects the vocal cords.
my hand is swolen this morning. the goverments doctor
says there is no injury, but keyborading causing
swelling is not a clasic symptom of cerebral palsy. we
are waiting to see if the last hearing goes my way.
now, i appreciate all who too part in yesterdays
debate and hope everyone got tweeked at least a little
as i was.
only one of you hit me with anything that i could not
attack. that one was sister mag. when she said
something to the effect that these people have beeen
fighting for thousands of year and that she did not
think they could work together so the efford would
fell. the history supports her. i could have said that
i was hoping that the desire for liberty would
override the hate, but, her facts in this is stronger
than just a hope. all i could say is that time would
tell and i hoped she was wrong.
i do enjoy this sort of thing.
--- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken, have you tried any dictation programs? Maybe
> spare your hands.
>
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> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/25/2006 7:45:50 PM
> > Subject: its been great,
> >
> > but, the hands are screaming at me to quit.
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:55:18 -0600
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Mag,
I already have a job. I update residential listings for telephone
directories from the comfort of home. I have been doing this since 1992
(the yr. that I got out of Technical College . Usually , I do twenty to
thirty directories a year. (Last year , I only did six.) The pay is not
the wildest. Right now, I am doing Atlantic , Iowa.
Kathy Jo
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>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:23:59 -0800
>
>Kathy Jo,
>What do you think? Do you want to work? What type of work would be
>interesting for you?
>
>Mag
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> > [Original Message]
> > From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 3/25/2006 8:10:38 AM
> > Subject: Cornerstone
> >
> > I stayed at Cornerstone this past Monday - Wednesday. Actuality , it
>was
> > nice. Yes, Mag, they do work on job skills.
> >
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:03:52 -0600
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Anthony,
Mmm...I don't know why that would be. ? Do you know if the apartment has an
e-mail? . Our local Movie Theater in my town, was re-done about the time
the ADA was just beginning and I would say it is not accessible .
Kathy
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>Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:14:34 -0600
>
>Friends,
>
>
>
>I definitely don't know all the details here, and I don't know what the
>Americans with Disabilities Act reads, and I'm sure that most of you have
>more knowledge behind the act. However a local guy just purchased and
>turned a older building into apartments, and he has a few units wheelchair
>accessible just like what he is required to do. He had a open house today,
>and my parents went to see it just for the fun of going, but however they
>were surprised at his bathroom in the wheelchair accessible unit, it has a
>bathtub instead of a roll-in shower. My dad personally knows the guy, so
>he
>questioned him on why he did a bathtub instead of a roll-in shower. He
>responded saying that's what the ADA requires, which seems weird to my
>parents, so I told them I would e-mail you guys to see what's up with this.
>This isn't the first time we have wondered about the Americans with
>Disabilities Act. Don't get me wrong, it's great but parts of it are
>really
>questionable.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Anthony
>
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:06:02 -0800
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In calif we have a new building code that uses universal design principals.
I too, have minimal accessibility in my current place. I have a wide
doorway leading into my place, and the bedroom doorways are so narrow that
I have scratched them in many places. my bathroom is not wheelchair
accessible at all, being a mere 25 inches wide. I put in a grab bar right
inside the doorway, and two grab bars in the tub. I use a shower chair in
the tub and use a handheld shower attachment. My kitchen is so narrow i
can't turn around in it, so my chair arm gets eaten up when I back out of
the area where my sink, stove and fridge are, collide with my kitchen
table that serves as a counter. Hopefully the new codes will help alliveate
some of these issues. I know for sure that the new units going up in
downtown will meet those standards because I'm on the committee that looks
at all new building plans being partly funded by the city and feds. this
was the best place i could find in two months of searching too. I urge all
of you to become members of commissions and boards that affect change.
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/26/2006 7:42:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
>
> I could be wrong but I think if the building's an historic one (on
> the Historic Register), they don't
> have to adhere to ADA building guidelines, whether it's converted
> from flats to not. But I leave that
> to the legal experts on this list.
>
> All I know is that when I looked at flats in this city a few years
> ago, I saw units that had been
> designated as "accessible" but really weren't, completely. For
> example, the flat I've been living
> in for almost six years has two bedrooms, two baths, and I can only
> access one bath and one bedroom
> closet. The doorways into the walk-in closet and the back bath are
> way too narrow for
> my wheelchair, but my friend who has many disabled clients in her
> home health-care business, said
> that the minimum is that the *essential* living spaces need to be
> accessible, not the whole living
> space. And this flat was the best I saw of the lot that I could
> afford - I saw a lovely one-bedroom
> that might have done, but I wanted two bedrooms, and this flat would
> have been $850 a month for
> one-bedroom, and $1100 for a two-bedroom.
>
> I did ask the management of my apartments if they could widen the
> doors but they refused, saying they
> are not obligated to make changes that are unreasonable.
>
> Kat
>
> On 26 Mar 2006, at 10:17, Anthony Arnold wrote:
>
> > Kat,
> >
> > I don't know if your explanation holds true in this case, the
> > building was
> > used as the opera house, and the guy and his company decided to
> > purchase and
> > make it into apartments. They left the shell alone to the most
> > part and
> > just turned it into apartments, would this still be grandfathered?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of
> > Kathleen Salkin
> > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:46 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
> >
> > Anthony, if a building was built before a certain date, they're
> > grandfathered under the ADA and don't have to build such things a
> > roll-in showers. In fact, I think the minimum requirement is that
> > the apartment is accessible, not that the kitchen or bathroom has to
> > have handicapped-accessible equipment. I have a bathtub and not a
> > roll-in shower in my apartment and my kitchen counters and stove
> > aren't lowered for wheelchair users, and the top cabinets wouldn't be
> > accessible if I couldn't stand to put my dishes away.
> >
> > Kat
> >
> >
> > On 26 Mar 2006, at 02:14, Anthony Arnold wrote:
> >
> >> Friends,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I definitely don't know all the details here, and I don't know what
> >> the
> >> Americans with Disabilities Act reads, and I'm sure that most of
> >> you have
> >> more knowledge behind the act. However a local guy just purchased
> >> and
> >> turned a older building into apartments, and he has a few units
> >> wheelchair
> >> accessible just like what he is required to do. He had a open
> >> house today,
> >> and my parents went to see it just for the fun of going, but
> >> however they
> >> were surprised at his bathroom in the wheelchair accessible unit,
> >> it has a
> >> bathtub instead of a roll-in shower. My dad personally knows the
> >> guy, so he
> >> questioned him on why he did a bathtub instead of a roll-in
> >> shower. He
> >> responded saying that's what the ADA requires, which seems weird
> >> to my
> >> parents, so I told them I would e-mail you guys to see what's up
> >> with this.
> >> This isn't the first time we have wondered about the Americans with
> >> Disabilities Act. Don't get me wrong, it's great but parts of it
> >> are really
> >> questionable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Anthony
> >>
> >>
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I hope I am wrong too, Ken! History has not been kind to the folks in the
middle east.
Ken, what about word prediction software, where you would type in "wh" and
a screen would appear giving you five options like,
Why
where
when
whitehouse..........
it really is such a shame you have to fight so hard to get what's due you.
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> [Original Message]
> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/26/2006 11:37:27 AM
> Subject: Re: its been great, and accessing the debate.
>
> yes, i tried 2 versions. the best was dragon dictate,
> but, it could not do the job without constant retraing
> it to recogize my voice. obviously the dystonia in my
> neck area affects the vocal cords.
>
> my hand is swolen this morning. the goverments doctor
> says there is no injury, but keyborading causing
> swelling is not a clasic symptom of cerebral palsy. we
> are waiting to see if the last hearing goes my way.
>
> now, i appreciate all who too part in yesterdays
> debate and hope everyone got tweeked at least a little
> as i was.
>
> only one of you hit me with anything that i could not
> attack. that one was sister mag. when she said
> something to the effect that these people have beeen
> fighting for thousands of year and that she did not
> think they could work together so the efford would
> fell. the history supports her. i could have said that
> i was hoping that the desire for liberty would
> override the hate, but, her facts in this is stronger
> than just a hope. all i could say is that time would
> tell and i hoped she was wrong.
> i do enjoy this sort of thing.
>
> --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Ken, have you tried any dictation programs? Maybe
> > spare your hands.
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> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 3/25/2006 7:45:50 PM
> > > Subject: its been great,
> > >
> > > but, the hands are screaming at me to quit.
> > >
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if it works it is great.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> You have to get a voice recognition system for your
> computer, and than you
> can debate us 7/24, isn't assistive technology fun
> :)
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
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>
> but, the hands are screaming at me to quit.
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:17:19 -0700
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I tried VR with my computer once when I injured my right arm, and the
error rate, even after training made it so slow that it was difficult.
That was=20
3 1/2 years ago. Hope it's gotten better since then.=20
Kendall=20
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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:17 PM
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Subject: Re: its been great,
if it works it is great.
--- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken,=20
>=20
> You have to get a voice recognition system for your
> computer, and than you
> can debate us 7/24, isn't assistive technology fun
> :)=20
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> Thanks,=20
> Anthony=20
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:43:30 -0500
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I once read an article by a newspaper columnist who tried using VR with
several types of accents, and found that the VR software was most
successful in recognising US New England accents and British accents=2E T=
he
software packages had the most problems with thick US Southern drawls,
which makes sense! In any case, I would think training a VR software to
recognise sounds voiced by persons with speech difficulties would be longe=
r
than those with standard or ("BBC") accents=2E
Kat
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I tried VR with my computer once when I injured my right arm, and the
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:22:25 -0500
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Actually, the law that is relevant to the problems you are observing
is the Fair Housing Act. This was just part of my reading for class
today, so I can shed a little more dry legal knowledge on the issue.=20
Here's the actual language of the law... It's long, and I'm excerpting
a lot, but I really recommend reading the whole thing if you're
interested. It's 42 United States Code, section 3604 (f).
Discrimination includes--
(A) a refusal to permit, at the expense of the handicapped person,
reasonable modifications of existing premises occupied or to be
occupied by such person if such modifications may be necessary to
afford such person full enjoyment of the premises except that, in the
case of a rental, the landlord may where it is reasonable to do so
condition permission for a modification on the renter agreeing to
restore the interior of the premises to the condition that existed
before the modification, reasonable wear and tear excepted.
(B) a refusal to make reasonable accommodations in rules, policies,
practices, or services, when such accommodations may be necessary to
afford such person equal opportunity to use and enjoy a dwelling; or
(C) in connection with the design and construction of covered
multifamily dwellings for first occupancy after the date that is 30
months after September 13, 1988, a failure to design and construct
those dwellings in such a manner that--
(i) the public use and common use portions of such dwellings are
readily accessible to and usable by handicapped persons;
(ii) all the doors designed to allow passage into and within all
premises within such dwellings are sufficiently wide to allow passage
by handicapped persons in wheelchairs; and
(iii) all premises within such dwellings contain the following
features of adaptive design:
(I) an accessible route into and through the dwelling;
(II) light switches, electrical outlets, thermostats, and other
environmental controls in accessible locations;
(III) reinforcements in bathroom walls to allow later installation of
grab bars; and
(IV) usable kitchens and bathrooms such that an individual in a
wheelchair can maneuver about the space.
(7) As used in this subsection, the term "covered multifamily dwellings" me=
ans--
(A) buildings consisting of 4 or more units if such buildings have one
or more elevators; and
(B) ground floor units in other buildings consisting of 4 or more units.
I believe that the inaccessible things you've observed either aren't
covered by the law, or would be considered beyond reasonable
accomodation. I'd be happy to go into more detail, but I'm even
boring myself, so I'll stop.
~Joy~
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I think the apartment management had legal grounds for denying my request
to widen=20
the doorways to the back bathroom and closet because doing so would be
modifying=20
structures that can't be easily changed back and the apartment complex was=
built=20
in the early 1980s, so it's "grandfathered" anyway=2E
In any case, I can easily get about the flat and that's the important
thing=2E It'd
be a lot harder if I couldn't reach to the back of the stove or get out of=
my=20
wheelchair to reach the upper cabinets=2E
Kat
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:22:25 -0500
To: C-PALSY@LISTSERV=2EICORS=2EORG
Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
Discrimination includes--
(A) a refusal to permit, at the expense of the handicapped person,
reasonable modifications of existing premises occupied or to be
occupied by such person if such modifications may be necessary to
afford such person full enjoyment of the premises except that, in the
case of a rental, the landlord may where it is reasonable to do so
condition permission for a modification on the renter agreeing to
restore the interior of the premises to the condition that existed
before the modification, reasonable wear and tear excepted=2E
(C) in connection with the design and construction of covered
multifamily dwellings for first occupancy after the date that is 30
months after September 13, 1988, a failure to design and construct
those dwellings in such a manner that--
(i) the public use and common use portions of such dwellings are
readily accessible to and usable by handicapped persons;
(ii) all the doors designed to allow passage into and within all
premises within such dwellings are sufficiently wide to allow passage
by handicapped persons in wheelchairs; and
(iii) all premises within such dwellings contain the following
features of adaptive design:
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:48:12 -0700
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My thought initial is: "Why would they have to be changed back? A wider
door makes a facility useable by more people, not less, so once it's
been done, the pool of potential renters is permanently expanded.=20
Question I wonder is how many units are in the apartment complex,
because from an economic standpoint, it makes sense to have improved
accessibility, especially in larger buildings. The greater the number
of units in either a transient housing facility (hotel, motel) or a
"permanent" housing facility (apartments) make it more difficult for an
owner to prove undue hardship.
The "without much cost or expense" or "undue hardship" provisions are so
vague as to render the law considerably less useful than it should be.
I'm frankly surprised that a large retail corporation hasn't used that
vagueness in challenges to the law.
Section 36.304 of the ADA addresses removal of barriers in places of
public accommodation, which includes rental housing:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/reg3a.html#Anchor-91481
People refer to the ADA as the most important piece of civil rights
legislation for people with disabilities in the last twenty years, but
if the '64 civil rights act had been written the same way, there'd still
be separate drinking fountains for non-white people.
Kendall=20
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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:32 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
I think the apartment management had legal grounds for denying my
request
to widen=20
the doorways to the back bathroom and closet because doing so would be
modifying=20
structures that can't be easily changed back and the apartment complex
was
built=20
in the early 1980s, so it's "grandfathered" anyway.
In any case, I can easily get about the flat and that's the important
thing. It'd
be a lot harder if I couldn't reach to the back of the stove or get out
of
my=20
wheelchair to reach the upper cabinets.
Kat
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From: Joy Welan [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:22:25 -0500
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Subject: Re: Accessibility in apartments
Discrimination includes--
(A) a refusal to permit, at the expense of the handicapped person,
reasonable modifications of existing premises occupied or to be
occupied by such person if such modifications may be necessary to
afford such person full enjoyment of the premises except that, in the
case of a rental, the landlord may where it is reasonable to do so
condition permission for a modification on the renter agreeing to
restore the interior of the premises to the condition that existed
before the modification, reasonable wear and tear excepted.
(C) in connection with the design and construction of covered
multifamily dwellings for first occupancy after the date that is 30
months after September 13, 1988, a failure to design and construct
those dwellings in such a manner that--
(i) the public use and common use portions of such dwellings are
readily accessible to and usable by handicapped persons;
(ii) all the doors designed to allow passage into and within all
premises within such dwellings are sufficiently wide to allow passage
by handicapped persons in wheelchairs; and
(iii) all premises within such dwellings contain the following
features of adaptive design:
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:46:36 -0800
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while this is something i would never have wanted to
do, judy's friend catherine does actuallly want to win
this. so if you'd like to vote for them please use the
link in this email and then click on catherine and
jason's names to bring up the voting page then vote at
the bottom of page. i am sure it would be appreciated.
the link will be active wed. morning until wed.
afternoon at 6:00 eastern. if you do not wish to fool
with it, just delete.
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:06:51 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: VR Software (Was Re: its been great)
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well, it would appear that we had it trained, then one
morning out of the blue, it would just flake out and
have to be retrained. it would take around 3 days to
train it, then lose itself. i could not devote that
much time to it and still do my work.
--- "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I once read an article by a newspaper columnist who
> tried using VR with
> several types of accents, and found that the VR
> software was most
> successful in recognising US New England accents and
> British accents. The
> software packages had the most problems with thick
> US Southern drawls,
> which makes sense! In any case, I would think
> training a VR software to
> recognise sounds voiced by persons with speech
> difficulties would be longer
> than those with standard or ("BBC") accents.
>
> Kat
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Kendall David Corbett [log in to unmask]
> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 09:17:19 -0700
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: its been great,
>
>
> I tried VR with my computer once when I injured my
> right arm, and the
> error rate, even after training made it so slow that
> it was difficult.
> That was
> 3 1/2 years ago. Hope it's gotten better since
> then.
>
> Kendall
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:08:32 -0800
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
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its hard for me to believe it, but, i have not been at
work for over 3 years now. it may have improved since
then.
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I tried VR with my computer once when I injured my
> right arm, and the
> error rate, even after training made it so slow that
> it was difficult.
> That was
> 3 1/2 years ago. Hope it's gotten better since
> then.
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:17 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: its been great,
>
> if it works it is great.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> >
> > You have to get a voice recognition system for
> your
> > computer, and than you
> > can debate us 7/24, isn't assistive technology fun
> > :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:46 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: its been great,
> >
> > but, the hands are screaming at me to quit.
> >
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:25:24 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
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Back in high school (which this summer is our 10 year reunion), I had a
buddy with cerebral palsy who also had some learning disabilities, and a
voice recognition was recommended for him to use in school, but he was told
that it would take at least 3 hours for the system to learn his voice. I
don't think he ever did anything on this front because like he said
technology is wonderful but some of it isn't very portable.
Thanks,
Anthony
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:09 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: its been great,
its hard for me to believe it, but, i have not been at
work for over 3 years now. it may have improved since
then.
--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I tried VR with my computer once when I injured my
> right arm, and the
> error rate, even after training made it so slow that
> it was difficult.
> That was
> 3 1/2 years ago. Hope it's gotten better since
> then.
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:17 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: its been great,
>
> if it works it is great.
>
> --- Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> >
> > You have to get a voice recognition system for
> your
> > computer, and than you
> > can debate us 7/24, isn't assistive technology fun
> > :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Anthony
> > Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:46 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: its been great,
> >
> > but, the hands are screaming at me to quit.
> >
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:28:28 -0500
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Comments: RFC822 error: <W> MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last occurrence
was retained.
From: Meir Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Good link L'accompagnateur.org - Home
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L'accompagnateur.org - Home
L'accompagnateur.org is a web site developed by the parents of ...
L'accompagnateur.org is not liable for the organizations represented through
these links. ...
www.laccompagnateur.org/en/accueil.html -
In french and english
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:23:11 -0500
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Subject: please go see
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http://www.pbs.org/thenewmedicine/
http://www.thenewmedicine.org/
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:57:23 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Kathy Pink <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: please go see
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Why?
>From: Meir Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: please go see
>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:23:11 -0500
>
>http://www.pbs.org/thenewmedicine/
>
>http://www.thenewmedicine.org/
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:58:41 -0500
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Because I asked you to
Because I think you will benefit from the info there
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kathy
Pink
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 18:57
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: please go see
Why?
>From: Meir Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: please go see
>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:23:11 -0500
>
>http://www.pbs.org/thenewmedicine/
>
>http://www.thenewmedicine.org/
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:30:41 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: please go see
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If you select "Cerebral Palsy" from the drop-down list of interests
at www.thenewedicine.org, you will see a list of links on how to
cope with pain and stress - very beneficial, indeed! I myself
benefit a great deal from massage therapy which is offered at my
office, as well as meditation practices. Anything that eases stress
helps a great deal with muscle stiffness and pain, at least in my
experience.
Kat
On 30 Mar 2006, at 19:58, Meir Weiss wrote:
> Because I asked you to
>
> Because I think you will benefit from the info there
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Kathy
> Pink
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 18:57
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: please go see
>
> Why?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Meir Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: please go see
>> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:23:11 -0500
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/thenewmedicine/
>>
>> http://www.thenewmedicine.org/
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:27:25 -0600
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Could someone tell me how to change the message delivery on this list serve?
I appreciate your help!
Lynette
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:28:18 -0500
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How do you want it changed=3F I can do it for you=2E
Kat
Original Message:
-----------------
From: lynette smilelaughgiggle lynette=5Fteach@HOTMAIL=2ECOM
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:27:25 -0600
To: C-PALSY@LISTSERV=2EICORS=2EORG
Subject: Re: Change message delivery=3F
Could someone tell me how to change the message delivery on this list
serve=3F=20
I appreciate your help!
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:44:04 -0500
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Go here:
http://listserv=2Eicors=2Eorg/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS=2EEXE=3FSUBED1=3Dc-palsy&A=3D=
1
Kat
Original Message:
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Could someone tell me how to change the message delivery on this list
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I appreciate your help!
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:55:48 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Power chair question
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Friends,
I don't know how many of you have taken the time to study the power chair
industry (and I know it's probably boring to discuss unless you have a
definite interest), but recently I was describing to somebody that Invicare
has several different series of power chairs they manufacture. I know that
this party doesn't want a full explanation on the engineering, but am I
right they use various hardware components to help create various price
levels.
Thanks,
Anthony
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:27:01 -0500
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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They use various frame designs to create different levels.
Mike
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From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Power chair question
Friends,
I don't know how many of you have taken the time to study the power chair
industry (and I know it's probably boring to discuss unless you have a
definite interest), but recently I was describing to somebody that Invicare
has several different series of power chairs they manufacture. I know that
this party doesn't want a full explanation on the engineering, but am I
right they use various hardware components to help create various price
levels.
Thanks,
Anthony
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:22:09 -0600
Reply-To: Cerebral Palsy List <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Anthony Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Power chair question
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Mike,
I'm not sure if I know what I'm talking about and wanting whatever answer
to, but however the majority of us know that sometimes private insurance
companies like Blue Cross Blue Shield are much more willing to buy a better
quality of power chair compared to the power chair that Medical Assistance
is willing to purchase. With this in mind, is this why companies have to
produce various series?
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at www.anthonyarnold.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Mike Collis
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:27 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Power chair question
They use various frame designs to create different levels.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Anthony Arnold
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Power chair question
Friends,
I don't know how many of you have taken the time to study the power chair
industry (and I know it's probably boring to discuss unless you have a
definite interest), but recently I was describing to somebody that Invicare
has several different series of power chairs they manufacture. I know that
this party doesn't want a full explanation on the engineering, but am I
right they use various hardware components to help create various price
levels.
Thanks,
Anthony
Visit my website at <http://www.anthonyarnold.net> www.anthonyarnold.net