-----Original Message----- From: Paleolithic Eating Support List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Greg Davis Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:54 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Children and Paleo I haven't been paying attention to this thread but this last post caught my attention. As far as crowded crooked teeth I would think that it is more genetic: Might want to check out this Quirks and Quarks science segment that discusses research being done on the effect of a change in diet on teeth structure. The professor being interviewed suggests that the onset of cooking actually messed with our genetics http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/archives/04-05/feb26.html I think this show may have been pointed out on this list previously. Stature seems to me to be obviously a mix of diet and genetics. The case for diet related vision effects is more concrete. I would recommend looking at identical twin studies which can provide insights into relative signifcance of genetics vs. diet if you want to get a better idea rather than just postulating back and forth on the significance of one vs. the other. Although I have none to point you towards. -Greg mark wilson wrote: >--- Ken Stuart <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >>I am making no assertion. >> >> > >Yes you are, this all started because you claimed >stature, crowded, crooked teeth, vision problems >etc,.., are genetic and not caused by improper >nutrition, which I happen to strongly disagree with. >I've asked you twice for evidence to back up your >position, which you've failed to supply. At the same >time you've either discounted or ignored evidence I >supplied from Weston Price, Barry Bogin, and Steckel >and Komlos (Northern Cheyenne). > >We are smack dab in the middle of the neolithic era >and the massive reliance on cereal grains and >processed sugars are causing blatant physical >problems, especially with our children, who are, for >the most part, being raised on Coca Cola, Captain >Crunch, macaronni and cheese, pizza, etc... As a long >time listmember, I'm baffled that you continue to >argue with this?? Do me a favor and show me something >concrete that supports your position that improper >diet does not cause the above mentioned physical >problems. Below is some more info. Please take the >time to read and digest it this time. > >Here's a quote from Art Devany, where he discusses >childhood vision problems due to excessive >carbohydrate consumption, > >"But, the real kicker is the simple carbohydrate. As >Matt (I think) pointed out Loren Cordain has shown, >convincingly I think, that carbs cause the eye to >develop differently. It tends to elongate and throw >the focal point off the retina. Myopia is the result. >I know. I was raised on Wheaties for breakfast and >late evening snacks. I was pretty myopic as a youth >(it kept me out of the big leagues because a myopic >eye can't track a curve ball)." > >Here's more info on poor teeth and short stature >caused by neolithic foods, > >"Remains of fossil humans indicate decrease in health >status after the Neolithic. In most respects, the >changes in diet from hunter-gatherer times to >agricultural times have been almost all >detrimental.... With the much heavier reliance on >starchy foods that became the staples of the diet, >tooth decay, malnutrition, and rates of infectious >disease increased dramatically over Paleolithic times, >further exacerbated by crowding leading to even higher >rates of communicable infections". > >Skeletal remains show that height decreased by four >inches* from the Late Paleolithic to the early >Neolithic, brought about by poorer nutrition..." > >Ulijaszek, Stanley J. (1992) "Human dietary change." >In: Whiten A. and Widdowson E.M. (editors/organizers), >Foraging Strategies and Natural Diet of Monkeys, Apes, >and Humans: Proceedings of a Royal Society Discussion >Meeting held on 30 and 31 May, 1991. Oxford, England: >Clarendon Press. (pp. 111-119) > >Mark > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > >