Hi Howard; Yes; my wife and I have two "lovely" sons who needed insurance. Normally dad has insurance which is relatively cheap and the kid is just a second driver on dads policy. In our case poor old dad has no insurance so the kid has to get his own. Since it is just in his name and not a second driver for someone else it is between $4,000 and $5,000. Gets much worse if the darling gets a ticket or two. Does this this loving child have a grandparent who would be willing to adopt him as a second driver? I don't know if that is a legal option but if there is a willing grandparent with insurance that might be worth investigating. Also consider if they are going to get a newer car and have to buy collision insurance or buy something with four wheels and a motor and not much else but avoid needing collision. That might save them a few dollars. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: off topic Sorry, but I am hoping somebody can help here. Please pass on to more appropriate lists. I got a call last week at work. A blind couple has a sixteen year old son. He just got his driver's licence, and they are trying to purchase a car and insurance. The company wants to charge them $4800 a year, because he is the primary driver. Have any of you faced and solved this problem? It turns in to a serious blindness penalty. Thanks for the help. Again I apologize to the list, but I need help for them.