Hi; I understand the basic frame info it has just been a long time. Wonder how many sighted computer users would have the ambition to figure out some of our screen readers? On another note, was there an acbra group meeting at 1-00 pacific time Sunday afternoons? There was one announced about a month or six weeks ago but when I tried that node last week i didn't see any activity. This may not be a weekly thing so if anyone has info I'd be curious. Rich