I do know that most flat screens are usable and may be accessible. The TVs in hotels often, however, have an on screen menu system which isn't often accessible (and could easily be with some talk to go with it.) I just think that the time and place for accessibility is at the beginning, and if entrepenurs are reminded of their obligations under law it helps. I received a message about the fact that ATMs were invented long ago in 1969 and my point about that subject is this, rural people will never have a loud voice. We're spread too thin and are isolated by the lack of public transit. If folks in the city join their voices with us early we can make the noise together and begin to move toward solutions before installations begin. The point about automation is well taken Tom, I feel the same and would much rather interact with a person than a machine---people need jobs and we should interact or we'll have no neighbors to work with in our communities. posting from Emma's Family Farm Windsor Maine; Steve Hoad VICUG-L is the Visually Impaired Computer User Group List. To join or leave the list, send a message to [log in to unmask] In the body of the message, simply type "subscribe vicug-l" or "unsubscribe vicug-l" without the quotations. VICUG-L is archived on the World Wide Web at http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/vicug-l.html