Vinny, I think that songs are a lot more about why and how we mean them as singers/instrumentalists than what they were written for. there are some lyrics that are obviously about sinful acts, and I have no problem staying away from those. hOwever, you've just ruined a good song for a lot of good people. Thanks a lot! JulieMelton visit me at www.heart-and-music.com Keep smiling! >From: Cindy H <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Echurch-USA The Electronic Church ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Puff The Magic Dragon >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:55:01 -0700 > >--0-890026556-1123152901=:28596 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >now thats something I never heard before. I love that song. > >cindy > >Vinny Samarco <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >phil, >What a good testimony. >On another aspect of that, I think it's terrible ther P P and M fooled most >people with that song. I didn't find out till later what that was about. >How about bridge over troubled waters? I've heard that one sung in >churches, and the last verse is about ha needle and a heroin trip. >A beautiful melody and decptive words. >Vinny >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Phil Scovell" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:11 PM >Subject: Puff The Magic Dragon > > > > The following testimony speaks for itself. > > > > Puff The Magic Dragon > > > > > > By Phil Scovell > > > > > > > > > > George called and said he was having a horrible anxiety > > attack. He had experienced healing in many places but recent, and > > current, circumstances were trying to crush the life out of him. > > > > As we talked about how he felt, he admitted that in the > > middle of his anxiety episode, a memory came to his attention > > during the time he was in the 6th grade. He related that he could > > not get to the truth of what that memory was about but he saw that > > he was scared and nervous in the classroom. He could clearly > > recall the students in their chairs and the teacher in the room > > but he felt too fearful to explore the true nature of the anxiety > > within the memory itself. I had a scheduled appointment coming up > > but told him I would call him back later and pray with him about > > the fear and the importance of the memory. In the mean time, I > > suggested he pray through the memory himself to see if more > > information surfaced. > > > > Later I received an email of the victory he experienced and > > then we talked on the telephone concerning the healing the Lord > > brought to him. Here is his testimony. > > > > George reported, after getting off the phone, that he sat in > > a chair and refocused on the memory. clearly the images of the > > classroom, the other seated students, and the teacher were all > > there. He even specifically recalled the teacher's name. Most > > importantly, and most disturbingly, the fear and anxiety and > > fright, which he could vividly feel, were still there as well. > > He could not understand why. So, he asked the Lord. the reply he > > received was that he had nearly always been frightened and > > scared. > > > > George then requested the Lord show him the source, or cause, > > for this fear. Immediately, as he saw and remembered the images > > of the childhood memory, a dragon walked into the room. It flung > > it's head from side to side and if sniffing the air to find a > > particular victim. At that moment, a figure of Jesus appeared in > > one corner of the room. George said, "Lord Jesus? What is that? > > dragon doing here?" > > > > The Lord said, "That's Puff the magic dragon." > > > > George knew, of course, that was the name of a song which > > Peter, Paul and Mary sang many years ago. Those who recall, the > > song, easily recognize the implication of dope smoking, that > > symbolically produces dragons, that is, fairy tales or stories of > > fantasy. > > > > Author's Note. > > > > This idea would be similar to Alice In Wonderland. After > > ingesting certain types of mushrooms, psychedelic effects occurred > > in the story. Here all this time you thought it was just a cute > > little children's fairy tale. This is the same reasoning used by > > many today, even born again Christians, to justify the Harry > > Potter stories. It is time to draw the line. > > > > End Of Author's note. > > > > George confessed later to me that he used to often sing this > > cute little song, Puff The Magic Dragon, to himself as he worked > > because it seemed to bring comfort to him. It brought something > > to him spiritually but not comfort. > > > > George, after hearing what the Lord said and briefly > > considering what he had heard, asked, "So what does Puff the magic > > dragon have to do with this memory?" > > > > The Lord said, "You have been substituting fantasies to > > avoid, and to cope with, stress and fearful circumstances in your > > life." > > > > "What does the dragon want from me?" George then asked. > > > > "He wants to kill you," Jesus said matter of factly. > > > > It was clear to George by this time what the dragon was. > > "Does this demon have a right to be in my life?" George wanted to > > know. > > > > "No," came the single word answer from the Lord. > > > > "What do you want me to do with him, then?" George asked. > > > > "Send him away," came the succinct answer. > > > > "In the name of the True Lord Jesus Christ," George prayed, > > "I bind you and all those under your authority. I command you to > > leave and to go to the place where the true Lord Jesus Christ > > wants you to go. Don't ever come back." > > > > Then a very curious thing happened, George said. The dragon > > began leaving but as he stood there, a duplicate image of the > > dragon separated itself from the first image and began exiting the > > room. This was quickly followed by a second and a third and a > > fourth. The main image remain where it was. > > > > George said, "Lord, what is going on here?" > > > > "these are the fantasies created in your mind over the years > > to distract you from hearing the truth," he heard the Holy Spirit > > speaking into his thoughts. > > > > "How many of these are there?" George asked curiously. > > > > Jesus said, "25." > > > > George watched as the images of the original dragon followed > > each other as they exited the room until the final image, the > > original dragon, walked out of the room as well. > > > > George looked at the corner where Jesus had been standing and > > began laughing. Jesus was giving the "thumbs up" signal and then, > > as George continued to watch, the Lord began to dance around the > > room with joy causing George to laugh even more. The fear and > > anxiety he felt as a 6th grader in the classroom vanished and now > > joy and peace filled the room and the boy. > > > > this is the type of thing that drives a lot of Christians > > crazy. First, it is labeled as psycho heresy, self hypnosis, > > personal guided imagery, theatrical meditation, lucid dreaming, or > > sometimes it is simply label demonic. It is none of these things, > > of course, because it is nothing more than intimate prayer with > > the True Lord Jesus Christ. If you recall, Jesus was accused of > > casting out demons by the power of Satan. (See Matthew 9:32-34). > > Of course, this argument makes no sense whatsoever but many > > Christians have resigned themselves to believing the Enemy has > > such imaginary power and the true Lord Jesus does not. I grew up > > believing that anybody whoever saw Jesus was a heretic, > > theologically twisted, and very likely mentally ill, or worse, > > demon possessed. > > > > Some choose to label this form of prayer "inner healing," and > > thus attribute its origin to New Age philosophy, heretical > > theology, or Luciferian mysticism. You are free to believe > > whatever you wish. While you are believing whatever it is you > > believe, keep in mind the true nature of the Enemy, that is, Jesus > > said Satan has come to steel, kill and to destroy. (See John > > 10:10). > > > > My question to you is this. Are you afraid? Do you have > > anxiety and panic attacks and you don't know why? What is the > > source of your depression? Would you like to be free? Call me > > and learn to pray as George has. > > > > Safe Place Fellowship > > Phil Scovell > > Denver, Colorado > > Mountain time Zone > > Phone: 303-507-5175 > > www.SafePlaceFellowship.com > > > > > Your White Lily Candle consultant! >**Want to know what a day in Heaven is like? Then come to >www.heavenscented.com >-They may forget what you did but they will never forget how you made them >feel.--Carl Buechner > > > > > > > > >--0-890026556-1123152901=:28596 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > ><DIV>now thats something I never heard before. I love that song.</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>cindy<BR><BR><B><I>Vinny Samarco <[log in to unmask]></I></B> >wrote:</DIV> ><BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; >BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">phil,<BR>What a good testimony.<BR>On >another aspect of that, I think it's terrible ther P P and M fooled >most<BR>people with that song. I didn't find out till later what that was >about.<BR>How about bridge over troubled waters? I've heard that one sung >in<BR>churches, and the last verse is about ha needle and a heroin >trip.<BR>A beautiful melody and decptive words.<BR>Vinny<BR>----- Original >Message -----<BR>From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]><BR>To: ><[log in to unmask]><BR>Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 >5:11 PM<BR>Subject: Puff The Magic Dragon<BR><BR><BR>> The following >testimony speaks for itself.<BR>><BR>> Puff The Magic >Dragon<BR>><BR>><BR>> By Phil >Scovell<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> George called and said he >was having a horrible anxiety<BR>> attack. He had experienced healing in >many places but recent, and<BR>> > current, circumstances were trying to crush the life out of >him.<BR>><BR>> As we talked about how he felt, he admitted that in >the<BR>> middle of his anxiety episode, a memory came to his >attention<BR>> during the time he was in the 6th grade. He related that >he could<BR>> not get to the truth of what that memory was about but he >saw that<BR>> he was scared and nervous in the classroom. He could >clearly<BR>> recall the students in their chairs and the teacher in the >room<BR>> but he felt too fearful to explore the true nature of the >anxiety<BR>> within the memory itself. I had a scheduled appointment >coming up<BR>> but told him I would call him back later and pray with >him about<BR>> the fear and the importance of the memory. In the mean >time, I<BR>> suggested he pray through the memory himself to see if >more<BR>> information surfaced.<BR>><BR>> Later I received an >email of the victory he experienced and<BR>> then we talked on the > telephone concerning the healing the Lord<BR>> brought to him. Here is >his testimony.<BR>><BR>> George reported, after getting off the >phone, that he sat in<BR>> a chair and refocused on the memory. clearly >the images of the<BR>> classroom, the other seated students, and the >teacher were all<BR>> there. He even specifically recalled the teacher's >name. Most<BR>> importantly, and most disturbingly, the fear and anxiety >and<BR>> fright, which he could vividly feel, were still there as >well.<BR>> He could not understand why. So, he asked the Lord. the reply >he<BR>> received was that he had nearly always been frightened >and<BR>> scared.<BR>><BR>> George then requested the Lord show him >the source, or cause,<BR>> for this fear. Immediately, as he saw and >remembered the images<BR>> of the childhood memory, a dragon walked into >the room. It flung<BR>> it's head from side to side and if sniffing the >air to find a<BR>> particular victim. At > that moment, a figure of Jesus appeared in<BR>> one corner of the >room. George said, "Lord Jesus? What is that?<BR>> dragon doing >here?"<BR>><BR>> The Lord said, "That's Puff the magic >dragon."<BR>><BR>> George knew, of course, that was the name of a >song which<BR>> Peter, Paul and Mary sang many years ago. Those who >recall, the<BR>> song, easily recognize the implication of dope smoking, >that<BR>> symbolically produces dragons, that is, fairy tales or stories >of<BR>> fantasy.<BR>><BR>> Author's Note.<BR>><BR>> This >idea would be similar to Alice In Wonderland. After<BR>> ingesting >certain types of mushrooms, psychedelic effects occurred<BR>> in the >story. Here all this time you thought it was just a cute<BR>> little >children's fairy tale. This is the same reasoning used by<BR>> many >today, even born again Christians, to justify the Harry<BR>> Potter >stories. It is time to draw the line.<BR>><BR>> End Of Author's > note.<BR>><BR>> George confessed later to me that he used to often >sing this<BR>> cute little song, Puff The Magic Dragon, to himself as he >worked<BR>> because it seemed to bring comfort to him. It brought >something<BR>> to him spiritually but not comfort.<BR>><BR>> >George, after hearing what the Lord said and briefly<BR>> considering >what he had heard, asked, "So what does Puff the magic<BR>> dragon have >to do with this memory?"<BR>><BR>> The Lord said, "You have been >substituting fantasies to<BR>> avoid, and to cope with, stress and >fearful circumstances in your<BR>> life."<BR>><BR>> "What does the >dragon want from me?" George then asked.<BR>><BR>> "He wants to kill >you," Jesus said matter of factly.<BR>><BR>> It was clear to George >by this time what the dragon was.<BR>> "Does this demon have a right to >be in my life?" George wanted to<BR>> know.<BR>><BR>> "No," came >the single word answer from the > Lord.<BR>><BR>> "What do you want me to do with him, then?" George >asked.<BR>><BR>> "Send him away," came the succinct >answer.<BR>><BR>> "In the name of the True Lord Jesus Christ," George >prayed,<BR>> "I bind you and all those under your authority. I command >you to<BR>> leave and to go to the place where the true Lord Jesus >Christ<BR>> wants you to go. Don't ever come back."<BR>><BR>> Then >a very curious thing happened, George said. The dragon<BR>> began >leaving but as he stood there, a duplicate image of the<BR>> dragon >separated itself from the first image and began exiting the<BR>> room. >This was quickly followed by a second and a third and a<BR>> fourth. The >main image remain where it was.<BR>><BR>> George said, "Lord, what is >going on here?"<BR>><BR>> "these are the fantasies created in your >mind over the years<BR>> to distract you from hearing the truth," he >heard the Holy Spirit<BR>> speaking into his > thoughts.<BR>><BR>> "How many of these are there?" George asked >curiously.<BR>><BR>> Jesus said, "25."<BR>><BR>> George watched >as the images of the original dragon followed<BR>> each other as they >exited the room until the final image, the<BR>> original dragon, walked >out of the room as well.<BR>><BR>> George looked at the corner where >Jesus had been standing and<BR>> began laughing. Jesus was giving the >"thumbs up" signal and then,<BR>> as George continued to watch, the Lord >began to dance around the<BR>> room with joy causing George to laugh >even more. The fear and<BR>> anxiety he felt as a 6th grader in the >classroom vanished and now<BR>> joy and peace filled the room and the >boy.<BR>><BR>> this is the type of thing that drives a lot of >Christians<BR>> crazy. First, it is labeled as psycho heresy, self >hypnosis,<BR>> personal guided imagery, theatrical meditation, lucid >dreaming, or<BR>> sometimes it is simply label > demonic. It is none of these things,<BR>> of course, because it is >nothing more than intimate prayer with<BR>> the True Lord Jesus Christ. >If you recall, Jesus was accused of<BR>> casting out demons by the power >of Satan. (See Matthew 9:32-34).<BR>> Of course, this argument makes no >sense whatsoever but many<BR>> Christians have resigned themselves to >believing the Enemy has<BR>> such imaginary power and the true Lord >Jesus does not. I grew up<BR>> believing that anybody whoever saw Jesus >was a heretic,<BR>> theologically twisted, and very likely mentally ill, >or worse,<BR>> demon possessed.<BR>><BR>> Some choose to label >this form of prayer "inner healing," and<BR>> thus attribute its origin >to New Age philosophy, heretical<BR>> theology, or Luciferian mysticism. >You are free to believe<BR>> whatever you wish. While you are believing >whatever it is you<BR>> believe, keep in mind the true nature of the >Enemy, that is, Jesus<BR>> said > Satan has come to steel, kill and to destroy. (See John<BR>> >10:10).<BR>><BR>> My question to you is this. Are you afraid? Do you >have<BR>> anxiety and panic attacks and you don't know why? What is >the<BR>> source of your depression? Would you like to be free? Call >me<BR>> and learn to pray as George has.<BR>><BR>> Safe Place >Fellowship<BR>> Phil Scovell<BR>> Denver, Colorado<BR>> Mountain >time Zone<BR>> Phone: 303-507-5175<BR>> >www.SafePlaceFellowship.com<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><DIV> ><DIV> ><DIV align=center> ><DIV> ><DIV> ><DIV> ><DIV><FONT face=system color=#57708f><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=5><FONT >face="arial black"><FONT color=#7f007f> Your White Lily Candle >consultant!</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face=system color=#57708f><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=5><FONT >face="arial black"><FONT color=#7f007f>**</FONT>Want to know what a day in >Heaven is like? Then come to</FONT> </FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT color=#57708f size=5><A >href="http://www.heavenscented.com/">www.heavenscented.com</A> ></FONT></DIV> ><DIV><FONT face=system color=#57708f><FONT face="arial narrow" size=5>-They >may forget what you did but they will never forget how you made them >feel.--Carl >Buechner<BR></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> >--0-890026556-1123152901=:28596--