I would warm the bottom and boot him out. Unfortunately I had to do that to my brother. -- Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all. Karen Carter '74 > Kathy and Phil, Wow! I can't believe what I read. I am so sorry these > things are happening for you both. Kathy, I don't know how you do it! You > are loving! If I had a child who behaved like Chris, I'm afraid that I > would warm his bottom, ooooo! I forgot, can't do that. Well, they would > have to catch me first. It sounds to me like you and Greg are doing the > right thing. > > Phil, Oh! I'm so sorry to hear things are going bad again. I'm praying for > you and Sandy, too! You guys are so very loving! I don't blame you for what > you are doing! I'm praying for everyone in your family! I'm praying for > Peace and love for everyone here. > > Love and Blessings, > Pat Ferguson > > > > At 07:09 AM 8/1/05, you wrote: > >Boy Phil, > > You and I sound like we are cut out of the same cloth. The > >good news is that those phone tapping recorders are only $100 now at > >radio Shack. Just thought I'd mention it in case you feel the need > >to get a new one. > > I'm so sorry to hear that things have turned sour again for > >you guys. You're right though, the peace and sanctity of the home > >must come first for the innocent ones that reside there. The devil > >has been working overtime on us, but pep talks like yours help. > >thanks, > >Kathy > > > > > >At 07:40 PM 7/29/2005, you wrote: > > >Well, Kathy, put me in jail because I listened to my daughter's phone calls > > >with a stelth recorder I spent 300 dollars on just for that purpose. You > > >think I care it made her mad? She may still be reading the echurch mailing > > >list for all I know so she might be reading my message. Good. I just said > > >the other day to my wife that I wish I could see to drive. I'd follow my > > >daughter around to find out where she is really going. She has been > > >recently caught in lies but she had backup lies for the original lies. Same > > >old routine and she is no teenager. It's rough, Kathy, when one of your > > >children thinks they are smarter than God. I had a migraine headache this > > >week, which I haven't had for years, that could have killed an elephant. My > > >daughter chose, in public, out in front of everybody that wanted to listen, > > >to tear her mother down to the ground by using every four letter word in the > > >book. But, as I often say, church ain't over until the fat man/lady sings. > > >My daughter does not get the last word in my house. Nobody does. My > > >youngest son, due to circumstances that got out of control, refused to leave > > >my home one night. I wasn't mad until he said, "I'm not afraid of you, > > >dad." Then I did get mad but not stupid mad; just hot. I pushed in all the > > >way across the house to the front door. Pretty stupid, I know, pushing a > > >guy around who is bigger and has his third degree black belt, but nobody > > >ever said I was the smartest kid my mother ever had. Then I made a big > > >mistake. I picked up the phone and pretended to call the police to have him > > >removed. I know, it was dumb, but like I said, I was mad by this point. I > > >wasn't angry; there is a difference. Anyhow, maybe I told this before, it > > >sounds familiar even to me but I'll repeat what I said, if this is a repeat, > > >my son started crying and said he couldn't believe I would call the police > > >on him. We talked that night, and again a few days later, and straightened > > >things out. I even told Donna, his wife, the mistake I made and that was, I > > >broke my son's heart instead of his will. I don't want you and Graig to > > >ever forget, however, your home is a place where God dwells. Chris has no > > >right to violate your home, or you for that matter, and I think you guys > > >have been doing everything in your power to help the little brat. So what > > >do you get in return? A kid who pokes his wrist as if he is going to kill > > >himself? A punk who man handles his mother, his blind mother, I might add? > > >A spiritual pygmy defying his own father? A dope smoker who thinks he can > > >whip the world? Mercy belongs only to those who receive it. shoot, I broke > > >cassette tapes, broke dope pipes, tore up cigarettes and dumped them on the > > >bed, searched my daughter's purse every time I got the chance, hunting > > >through her room and drawers and closets and clothes and pockets and braws > > >and shoes and you know what? I'm even worse about it now because there are > > >two children involved, one whom we have legal guardianship over, and I'll > > >kick butt if I have to in order to save them from human stupidity and sin. > > >It gets old, as I am sure you and Graig have learned, being used by your own > > >children and especially by the one who thinks they can get away with sin > > >against God. Warm up that baseball bat I told you about once a long time > > >ago, Kathy, and take some practice swings. It isn't your son the devil is > > >after; it is your family and your marriage and your church and your church > > >members. Come out swinging. I'll fly out and visit you in jail if I have > > >to but don't go down without making a big statement and hitting a couple of > > >home runs first. > > > > > >Phil.