Angel, You are welcome for the explanation. Yes we are referred to as saints. However there is a big difference in asking for prayer by saints, than praying "to" saints. I pray to my God only, not a godly person. Who else has the power to do anything about our issues but God? If it were saints that had the power I'd then ask Pat to heal my eyes, Julie to provide heavenly assistence with my music, and perhaps yourself for spiritual wisdom, knowledge and understanding. This is Christianity, not scientology or any other new age religion in where people themselves are gods. I can ask for encouragement, yes, help, yes, to come over and laugh, cry, drink coffee while we talk over life issues, , fix my roof, or whatever humanly possible, and even pray "for" me, not "to" me, to petition god's will and my peace on my life, but praying quote "to", unquote people or saints? That is not Christianity. I've not seen anywhere in the Bible, the inherent and sole testament of God, where it mentions praying to a saint. This is neither Prodostant or Catholic list, as I said before, we agree where we agree and agree to disagree where there are doctrinal differences. Making comparisons in a seemingly negative manner regarding non-Catholic statements doesn't help the question of sainthood, but distracts the issue at hand. Brad on 04:16 AM 7/30/2005, Angel said: Thank you for your explanation. I appreciate it. Now may I ask another question? Please? I was having a private discussion with someone and she said we are all saints. The bible say this yes? Doesn't the bible say we should ask each other for prayer and support. If this is the case does not the bible say we should pray to the saints Or are we not saints till we die. If we are not saints while we live what are we? Isn't this true, we never die because Jesus has destroyed death? Also, when we are absent from the body, are we not present with the lord. We must be sentient beings while in heaven because those who appeared to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration were sentient. They spoke with Jesus. This meant they must have been able to hear as well. He also spoke with them. Moses and Elijah cared deeply for him or they wouldn't have come to speak with him. Jesus said when in heaven we would be as the Angels are which means we will also be sentient because the angels are sentient. Even if we are not and remain in the ground till judgment are we not still alive because the soul never dies? If then we never die, because Jesus has destroyed sin and death on the cross what is the difference between the saints who are on this earth and the saints who have made their transition to the heavenly realms? If we can speak to each other and ask for prayer and support why can we not just as easily do the same with those who have gone before us? Therefore discussions concerning praying to the saints would not be off topic I would think Why am I wrong? Catholics can show in the word where prayer to the saints is indeed biblical. Is this just a protestant list, I thought not.