realluy? He wanted us to borrow our friends credit cards to pay his ministry, he hauled me down a fire tunnel though this was 2 years ago so I don't know if he's changed. Got stuck at his fresh fire conference until 1 in the morning. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Hooley" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: spiritual abuse Except for my own inner struggles, which I have anyway, I didn't have a problem with Todd Bently. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: Re: spiritual abuse > vinny, I entirely agree save the time I got dragged to and stuck with Todd > Bently, I've not gone to a healing minister since. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vinny Samarco" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: spiritual abuse > > > Virgi, > I had the same thing happen to me. Several people of this minister's > henchmen came to tell me that this guy could heal me. They dragged me up to > the front. > When the minister asked me if I believed he could heal me, I said that I > didn't think this was the right time. > So he turned to the audience and said" With a heart like that, God can't do > anything for you. > I have lots more stories but won't tel them. > After that, I went to the Lord with all this. He said to me that I was not > to ask for healing or even think of it until He told me to do so. > So, as long as I stay away from healing preachers, I am not a target. > Vinny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: spiritual abuse > > > > Keri, > > I was very young and very shy and scared. > > I did tell him that it was not time for me to be healed. > > I wanted to say to him that Jesus could heal me without his help, but I > was > > afraid of getting a whipping when I got home. > > I hope I did not misjudge that preacher. > > Virgie At 01:46 PM 7/1/2005, you wrote: > > > > >Wow Bergie, that preacher soounded awful and he wanted credit,instead of > > >glorifying the lord. Whenever people ask if I believe in healing my > answer > > >is yes but I don't require it. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]> > > >Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:52 AM > > >Subject: Re: spiritual abuse > > > > > > > > >Kerri, > > >When I was a young girl, my step mother took me to a preacher who was > said > > >to have healing power through the Lord. > > >First, he put his hand on my head so hard that it hurt. > > >He kept pushing on my head until I thought I was going to fall. > > >He asked if I had faith in God, and did I think he could heal me. > > >I answered yes, I do have faith and I believe that Jesus could heal me. > > >He prayed, it seemed to me quite a long time. > > >He asked me can you see now? > > >I said yes, but no better than I could before you prayed. > > >He told me that it was my fault that I didn't get healed because I did > not > > >have the faith. > > >I answered, that I did have faith, but that I did not think it was the > time > > >that Jesus Christ had chosen for me to see. > > >I said that when it is time for me to be healed, Jesus will do it. > > >What his comments did to me was to make me doubt my faith. > > >It made me think for a while that it was my fault that I was not healed. > > >I have prayed about this and have discovered that it was not my fault. > > >I really believe that this preacher was looking for credit and glory for > > >himself. > > >I pray that Jesus will forgive me if I am wrong about that. > > >I also pray that he will reveal the truth to me about this man if I am > > >wrong. > > >I know we are not suppose to judge others, and I try not to do that. > > >I do not believe that it was abuse though. > > >My step mother wanted to help me because she loved me. > > >I can understand how you are feeling and why you feel that way. > > >Please share with us any time. > > >You will not be chastised here for your feelings and concerns. > > >Huggs and blessings. > > >Yours in Christ > > >Virgie At 01:39 AM 7/1/2005, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hello all. Is there usch a thing as spiritual abuse? I as this because > an > > > >issue occured when a child that I call abuse and wanted yor opinion on > it. > > > > My parents took me at a very young age to a healer probably in > 1979 or > > > >early eighties because they thought I was going to die of my bone > disease. > > > >This man they told them, had the gift of discernment and that God > revealed > > > >things about the people he prayed for. This man asked me if I had > spirits > > > >in > > > >me like spirits of anger or spirits of doubt. Now mind you I was saved > by > > > >the time I was 5 years old. He then plunked his hand on my head and > started > > > >chanting leave leave to these spirits. I remember feeling really > nervous > > > >but > > > >said nohting thinking my parents knew best. the man also said maybe I'd > see > > > >soon which never happened. Well time passed, and what happened was that > > > >people ignored me a lot, I'd get rejected often, never had friends and > then > > > >couldn't find work. Last December, I was wondering why I never could > trust > > > >God propperly, as I have a great relationship with my dad, when the > above > > > >scene was revealed to me. I remembered everything in total detail, most > of > > > >which I'd forgotten. My questions are > > > >1. Is this or was this abuse and > > > >2. Do you think there is any corelation between my utter inability to > find > > > >work and people ignoring me. Now please know, I dislike healing > intesnely, > > > >it scares me, the holy spirit in fact I find unnerving and never knew > why. > > > >What we think happened was that I subconsciously felt that since this > guy > > > >asked if I had all these spirits in me, the holy spirit either was no > good > > > >or thought ill of me. to top that all off, my parents took me to these > > > >types of things repeatedly not knowing this isn't good for a child. I > hope > > > >you don't think this is utter haracy, was very very nervous to reveal > this > > > >to anyone. Be glad for all God is planning for you. Be patient in > trouble, > > > >and always be prayerful. > > > > > > > > Romans 12:12, NLT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/2005 > > > > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/2005 > > > > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/2005 > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/2005 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005 > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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